HU Meeting Spain (Andalucia) 2008
 

Seriously looking into organising the first HU Meeting in Spain for 2008. Anybody interested in attending/presenting? We live 35km inland from Malaga in the Spanish mountains and have some of the best biking roads in Andalucia. Venue would depend on numbers. Let me know. Thanks.

Sounds good
 

Despite the heat, are you considering August? this would fit with annual holidays, allowing more to come.....

Best wishes

Caminante, no hay camino..........................

HU Meeting Spain (Andalucia) 2008
 

It's 40C plus here most days in Jul/Aug/Sept, but if 200 people say they'll come in August, who am I to argue?

Love the idea and would be willing to present. But please not July/Aug.

Tim

HU Meeting Spain (Andalucia) 2008?
 

Thanks for that Tim. Will let you know how things go.

You wont be able to please everyone Dakota! Good luck anyway!

HU Meeting Spain (Andalucia) 2008?
 

Thanks Caminando. I can but try!!! Btw, are you still chasing ghost riders in Morocco? My hubby works in Gib if you're passing through any time.

Poll posted - when do YOU think is the best time for a meeting in Spain?

I'll be there, and possibly Susan too if we can work it out.

If you're interested in presenting, please post here too. When we have a date and location we'll put up a meeting page.

Thanks, and hope to see you there!

Spain in September - What could be better?
 

Guys, I know the area very well.

September would be a great time for anybody travelling down from Northern Europe - weather for the trip down would be reasonable; weather whilst your there would be great!!! :thumbup1:

I divide my time between the Malaga region and Gibraltar (gateway to North Africa) and this area has something for everyone from nice mountain road ride (well over 1000m) to excellent trails. Plus some great historical places to see like the Alhambra - Granada (about an hour and half from the coast), Cordoba (about two hours), Ronda, Gibraltar and last but not least Tarifa – the most southerly point on mainland Europe.



So why not do the HUBB meet and have a wee holiday in the area while you’re at it. It’s a beautiful region, especially out of the normal holiday season - September would be great.

I’ll put my name down to lead out a local ride or two, or if necessary just give the attendees some ideas for rides.

Andalucia
 

My mother lives (and is from) Cordoba. It is HOT in Aug/July down there!

Best time in Andalucia is probably May or September.
I would consider coming if it's in Sept (2008). I should be back from South America by then and hopelly working to fund the next trip! :mchappy:

I would even be tempted to do a presentation (in english or spanish doesn't matter) but for now it is far too early as my trip has not even started!!

Now i like the sound of this one i was considering going that way to see a mate of mine who runs a bar in malaga so count me in :thumbup1: as long as its not in july or august :Beach:

I lived in the area for a year in my youth (with my TriBSA 750), but never did get to see the Alhambra, Ronda, or the mosque at Cordoba. So I would be really interested in this meet.

Plus, I hope to start building a base in Morocco later this year, so I will be on the doorstep.

Tim

Hi.
Great idea!
Count on me to be there. Does·nt matter which month! All twelve of them are lovely.
:stormy: or :Beach: = :funmeteryes:

Dan

Have posted my vote, but willing to travel whenever if I'm free from work.

IT'S A MULTIPLE CHOICE VOTE!

Of the 11 people who voted, there are just 18 actual votes.

I voted for 5 different months (Mar, Apr, May, Sep, Oct), so that means the other 10 people who voted have only selected 13 choices in total. So it looks like most people have only voted for one particular month.

Tim

HU Meeting Spain (Andalucia) 2008?
 

Just a few pointers for people who don't know the area well:

• Between April and October, it rarely rains, so you can almost guarantee lots of sunshine.
• Between mid-June to mid-September it's HOT. It's hot all day and all night (35-40C during the day, 20-25C at night). July and August are the hottest months (regularly in the 40's).
• But, the venue I have in mind is by the side of a lake which you can swim in, and is less than 20kms from the nearest beach. They've also been building a huge pool here forever which hopefully one day will be full of water.
• For anybody who wants to extend the HU Meeting into a holiday, I can help with travel arrangements so long as my expenses are covered.
• We are less than 2 hours from Granada (The Alhambra), Ronda (oldest bullring in Spain), Seville and Cordoba (Mezquita). Gibraltar and Algeciras (gateway to Morocco) are a little further.
• The Axarquia region is an ideal base for exploring the 'real' Spain.
• The food is great, the scenery is diverse, the locals are friendly and the rides are outstanding.

Hope this helps. I voted 4 times - April, May, September, & October. I chose these months purely from a weather point of view.

So come on, register your votes, show your support and lets get this show on the road.

I'm interested in this meeting. What type of venue do you have in mind? A proper camp site or a pub field? Or a 5 star hotel :) OK a camp site would do me :)

HU Meeting Spain (Andalucia) 2008?
 

Apologies for slow response - Spanish weather took my internet connection with it!!

Venue I'm looking at is a campsite (with a nice pool) which has 10 small 'bungalows' all overlooking a lake. There is a 3* hotel and self-catering units both about 5 mins away by wheels, together with an abundance of privately owned villas, so something for everyone. But to be 'onsite' it's camping or bungalows. We had a look at it yesterday and the facilities are very good. Restaurant is also excellent.

Currently throwing together a website with more info that should be ready in a week or so.

Does this mean that there will be no meeting in Portugal for next year?
Just a thought but, do we need 2 meetings that are so (geographically speaking) relatively close together? Would it not diversify things and open more areas to people if something could be arranged in, for example, Scandinavia or Poland or what about the former Yugoslavia regions, or Greece?
There seems to be a fair bit of interest in Eastern Europe, in particular, Romania. There is at least 1 company that I know of organising motorcycle tours around the Carpathian mountains and there is also the annual Carpathian Rally Raid.
I appreciate that it takes time, commitment and people to organise a meeting, and one in Spain would be good, but I just feel that somewhere more diverse (if possible) would be better.

There's 18 people who have responded to this thread saying they are interested in attending a meeting in southern Spain. This sounds quite positive, but it so as not to tread on toes it would be best if Portuguese and Spanish meets were four or more months apart.

If you feel there's support for Eastern Europe (and it sounds interesting to me), then why not post a separate thread in the forum and find out if others would help organise a meeting? But that need not be instead of meetings that are already being proposed.

Tim

HU Meeting Spain (Andalucia) 2008?
 

Surely a bigger network of meetings is better than ones spread far and wide. This isn't about 'treading on peoples toes' - it's about a large group of people who share a common interest and the important thing to focus on here is the means of 'spreading the knowledge and sharing the experience' to as many people as you can.

Living in Spain, Gois is still 700kms away and more than a days ride. I'm going to the next meeting in Portugal, but I'm not looking forward to the ride in the August heat and I don't speak Portuguese so I'm hoping there will be lots of presentations in English.

I hope the Spanish meeting will be a bi-lingual event. We live in an area that is frequently visited by travellers on their way to Morocco and Africa and it would be great if some of those people could come and share their experiences with us. How many of you do trial runs to Spain to test your bikes & gear? Many of us have aspirations of doing a RTW trip, but there are a lot of people who enjoy much shorter journeys but still want advice on the best way to do it.

Work commitments don't always give people the time to ride to HU Meetings. The Axarquia region of Andalucía gives people the choice of taking a few days to ride here, or flying in to Malaga for the weekend. As to when, yes, being in a different month to the Portugal meet would probably be better, but atm, the poll is telling me that September is the favoured month. Another option would be to alternate the annual meetings between Portugal and Spain.

Lots of people are looking at this thread, but not many are speaking. If only 10% of people looking booked to come to Spain, then the meeting would be on. Show us your support and I'll book it tomorrow.

HU Meeting Spain (Andalucia) 2008?
 

Ok, sadly I don't have a website of info for you as Grant says he will do it all once the meeting is booked. So here's all the info I have so far.

The Area
Andalucia is the most incredibly diverse region encompassing the historic cities of Seville, Ronda, Malaga, Cordoba and Granada, the famous whitewashed villages, and mile after mile of beautiful beaches, rural inland countryside and international resorts.
The venue is situated in the Axarquia region of Andalucia where during the 19th century, the proximity of the area to the mountains made it a center of banditry.
It is an area dedicated to olive and almond farming, also orange and lemon orchards and vineyards and is a wonderful location for enjoying motorcycling.
Historic towns and cities, such as Antequera, Nerja, Malaga and Granada are all close, offering spectacular architecture and a diverse range of activities, from Skiing in the Sierra Nevada to sun bathing on the beautiful beaches of Costa del Sol.
Sounds like a magazine article I know, but at least it describes the area!!

The Venue
Depends on numbers, but the current venue is at a 2* campsite beside Lake Vinuela.
Offering 38 pitches and 10 bungalows with excellent facilities.
The restaurant serves some of the best food in the area with barbequed meats and as well as local gastronomy.

The Dates
To be arranged. Please show your support in the poll, but currently it's looking like September.

Guest Speakers
Still looking for volunteers. If there is something you can offer, please put your name down - a presentation, slide show, demonstration - please help 'spread the knowledge'.

• Alison Makin - Alison rides a Yamaha XT600E and will show you how to safely pick your bike up. Almost everybody can pick up heavy bikes using this technique.

• Tim Cullis - Tim rides a BMW R1200GS and will be doing a presentation about..... check your messages Tim ;)

• Maria Robinson - Maria rides a BMW F650GS and together with her partner Alistair are currently planning their trip to South America - they leave in 6 weeks. Hopefully she will be back in time to do a presentation at the 2008 meeting. Follow them on their travels at index

• Andy Makin - Andy rides at XT600E and will lead out a local ride or two (time permitting of course!!)

Questions??
Feel free to contact us if you have any questions.

Photos of the Area

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That sounds just great! At least the chances for rain are much lower than in the UK... Sorry you Poms, didn't want to tread on anybodys toes, but I worked for quite a while in London. Still enjoyed it though ;-)

I'd love to join in. And yes, being a rockspider from South Africa I could offer infos on Southern Africa, maybe combined with a short slide show. But since lots of people know South Africa, I'd rather have this offer placed right at the end of the queue.

Although I'm living 20 odd years near Munich I won't offer a virtual tour through the Hofbraeu Haus or the October Fest :-))

Hans

It's also Spaghetti Western country! The Leone/Eastwood trilogy were filmed around Almeria. Fans of the genre might enjoy riding in some familiar landscapes.

I'd love to come but I fear you will sensibly choose a time when I can't (i.e. not the summer). :(
Stephan

Hi Tim
I tend to agree with you but the other alternative would be to have them back to back weekends so anyone who wanted to could do both and have a bit of a holiday in Iberica in between the 2 HU Meetings.
There is a loose plan to repeat the HU Belgium meeting in September 2008 (to be confirmed) so almost no matter when the Spain meeting happens it will be close or not close enough to one or other event going on.
Cheers
Gecko

If the Spanish meeting was held the weekend before the Belgian meeting it would be great for me, I could then attend both hopefully

HU Meeting Spain (Andalucia) 2007?
 

Just wanted to run this by people.

Anybody interested in coming to 'taster' meeting in late September this year? Not so much time to organise as the one planned for next year and if there are less than 40 people, it would have to be an 'unofficial' meeting.

Ideas and comments welcome.

September sounds good to me.
 

I think that would be an excellent idea. Offical or Unoffical - a meeting in Spain at that time of year would be good.

Just one point of note, I know from my trips back and forth to Gibraltar, that a number of travellers pass that way, maybe they could arrange to drop by and either gain an insight to North Africa, or pass on their experiences - in formally of course.

My plan is to go to Gibraltar in 2008 so if the HU meeting fits in my travel schedule, I would love to be there but 2008 is stil far away. I'm planning some other trips in 2007 first :-)

Gibraltar 2007/8?
 

Jkrijt, I travel between Gibraltar (A.K.A. Gib) and Malaga weekly. Be sure to look me up (for a beer possibly :)) when you come down this way.

Gib isn't the prettiest place on earth, but some of the sights and history are interesting. Plus I can see Africa on a good day from my office window :) which always makes me feel better.

Thanks for the invitation. I always love to stop for a chat, cold beer and some inside info about the area I'm traveling.

Dakota! Do you have a date in mind for a meet up this year?

How about either the last 2 weekends in September/first 2 weekends in October? The weather should have started cooling off by then plus flights (if that's what people want) will be a little cheaper.

I know that instead of 'testing the waters' with people, I should just go ahead and book it and hope for the best. I'll see if the camp site is available for one of these weekends.

Sounds good. I can make all those weekends, but Oct would be better for me.

Anyone else up for it?

Any of those dates are OK with me.

Tim

A Spanish meet sounds great..

I need an excuse to give my travel bike a test and practice my Spanish.

Anytime after the brats go back to school and the roads are quieter is good.

Late September is best but ill DEFFO show up if theres going to be a good show of people.

So hows the meet progress coming along ???

Slowly Ted, slowly.
 

Though there's been lots of views on this thread, there's only been a handful of people shown an interest. We've been holding off for this year as we're waiting for the Portugal meet to go ahead. Grant says it's going to happen and we'll be there if it does.

We still like the idea of running something informal later this year so are you up for it?

Btw, did you see Andy had uploaded the service manual on his website?

Looks like ill be aiming my front wheel to Portugal this year then but If you manage an informal meet then ill be up for that instead.

Cant afford both really.. Im sure a 2008 HU Spanish meeting will be VERY popular once a proper date is set etc.

Cheers for that Ted.

As soon as we know what's happening with Portugal, we know what we'll be doing here. We could always meet up in Spain and ride to Portugal together if you can wangle a few extra days off playing on your Playstation?

I've got a mate who's just moved out of Liverpool to Speke - are you all as mad as she is???

Id say we are definately some of the more colourful of Brits :)

Im just after an excuse to spend a week on the bike in late summer. I need to do a proper road trip to test out my new baby.

Maybe i could try and organise a possie to travel to the meet in Portugal or maybe meet y'all in Spain..

Talking about Playstations, im sitting here in work now on the 4.30-midnight shift (depressing) so looking for new work. I was quite tempted to head for southern spain and work the bars over the summer but id more likely be spending more than saving if i did that. :innocent:

The best way is not to work through the summer here. Work in the UK for 6-8 months of the year and earn as much as you can, then live in Spain for the rest of the year. It's soooooo cheap to live here (compared with UK) - beer/coffee 1 euro, 3 course meal 6-8 euro. My rent is 300 euros per month (currently having a house built). Petrol is just over 1 euro/litre so a full tank is around 12 euros for the XT's. You can come and help arrange the HU meet!!

And just incase you think you'd get bored of Spain, look at the pics on advrider of a group of French guys who have just driven past our door - wish we'd known they were passing through:
Andalucian trip... - ADVrider

Even people who can't get round on 2 wheels find another way:
Possibly the strangest traffic offence ever in Spain

I'd LOVE to do that but sadly my financial "escape" plan would be thrown way off track. Im saving about 600 a month and I HAVE to be able to do that for the next 18 months without fail if I want to get to Argentina in late 08 (which I have to in able to get there for spring).

Im earning crap here at Sony so looking for ways to boost my income. Maybe even a saturday bar job when the smoking ban comes in.

Grant - long time, no speak.

I really want to pin down a date for the HU meet next year. I see from the polls that September had the highest percentage of interest so how does the first or second weekend in September sound? Does that fit in with your scedule? I don't want it to clash with other organised meetings and I see Belgium is around that time. If we had them on consecutive weekends, would people be interested in attending both?

The 'taster/test the waters' meet we're doing next month is Moto Andalucia and we've got Tim Cullis, Hans (aka Vaufi) and Mike Anderson here doing talks on Morocco, Garmin GPS, South Africa and Incident Management. Maria (Franglais Riders, currently in South America) is pencilled in for next year and I hope if Ted ever makes it (to?) back from South America he'll be here too.

Sorry I had to bail this year Dakota.... I was looking forward to coming down but instead im going to South America a year earlier instead.

Ill make sure im at the 2008 one and if your stuck, I could maybe do a talk about South America, XT's or mechanics etc !

2008 meet
 

Count me and a few mates in for this one, I want to book my ferry now so hurry up and set the date !!!!!!!.

Looking forward to it already, I dont want another wet and windy weekend in Derbyshire.

In that case Ted, you're on my list for 2008.
If the South Americans have never met a Scouser before, they're in for a treat!!!
Safe and happy travels. Keep in touch. :thumbup1:

just a thought - if the HU meeting in Andalucia was at end september or start october 2008 it might tie in well with a trip to morocco at the end of ramadan (I think ramadan finishes 2nd october 2008)

I'm a very inexperienced motorbike traveller but I was suitably inspired by the meeting in ripley in june and I like the thought of riding from belfast to andalucia, getting some expert advice from tim cullen and going on to morocco.

Any other novice travellers feel similarly inspired?

Drew

The weekend before or possibly after the HUUM mite be good as this would mean people could do both events & make a holiday out of the 2 event which would be good for people from further away . I did hear that the HUMM maybe a mid week event next year . If this is so the 2 could fit together.
Kev
Team Avery 7th place HUMM 2007 (pity there were only 7 teams LOL)

I like your thinking Drew - makes sense!

Hi Kev,

You may remmber me from Ripley, I had just got my 1100 and we were tented next to each other. Just a quick question did you do the HUUB thingie on your 1100?.

Regards,

colin

Hi Colin good to hear from you.
No had a few probs (due to a crash & drowning the bike 2 days running offroading 2 weeks befor the HUMM) so used a 1150gsa . It coped well with the HUMM but the 1100 would have been better as its not so tall . So if you are thinking of doing it next year then you should it was a great weekend & alot of fun.
Cheers Kev

This sounds like an ideal excuse for me to break my HU cherry.Count me in for the meet in Spain.I've voted for late Sept/early Oct,as that would be the best for me.
Drew,your idea of moving onto Morroco after the meet sounds interesting.Have you any idea's as to time scale?

Andy

My vote is for Sep/Oct.
Some good ideas floating around here...ie: over to Morocco for a blast in the desert after the heat has died down....No Ramadan.....
Count me in tio!

I am thinking GSheaven!!!!

Wrong....moto andalusia

Yep, Moto Andalucuia is in 2 weeks - this is the unofficial event which will lead us into HU Andalucia 2008.

Where abouts in Spain are you - close enough to come down in a couple of weeks? We've got a 40km trail planned for the Saturday - suitable for novices on dual sport bikes.

Whats the current status on this meeting? Should I start booking ferries and work holidays? :) I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering this.

I could do another TomTom Rider presentation, if thats of interest. I've since upgraded to the TomTom Rider 2. Hopefully, by then we'll have some map pages up on the HU website (this functionality is currently in development), and we may even be able to upload the data from your TomTom Rider or Garmin directly to the site.

I had a couple of other ideas for presentations, if anyone is interested in picking up on these.. I know I would be interested in attending these!

- Bike security - a practical demo of how to secure your bike
- Biker First aid
- Bike maintenance on the road (commonly needed maint, tools and techniques)
- Bribe techniques (just kidding, but hey, if anyone has the knowledge, and wants to pass it on!)

Presentatations I'd love to see again

- Roadkill cookout
- Carnets
- lots of others..

Moi! I am up in Alicante......i will have time to come down for a few days

Which meeting? Moto Andalucia 2007 is in 2 weeks. All the information is on the website (see link below). HU Spain 2008 is on - we're just debating on the date. I see there's been a couple of suggestions about tagging it onto the HUMM or a trip to Morocco. I'm talking to a couple of people at the moment about Morocco - having the HU meet at the weekend and taking people off-roading, then possibly on to Morocco for a week or so afterwards. HU 2008 WILL take place, we just need to finalise the date.

Presentations - at Moto Andalucia we're having a presentation on 'incident management'. Tim Cullis is doing a presentation about Garmin, so if you can make it, by all means, a TomTom presentation would be good as I know one person attending is a GPS 'virgin'. I'm still looking for somebody who can demonstrate changing a tyre. I really want to keep this year as informal as possible - kind of a 'suck it and see' type event.

Presentations for 2008 are still being arranged as it's still a long way off, but I've already got half a dozen people 'on my list'. Roadkill cookout - can't do it in Spain, there's never any roadkill around - the buzzards carry most things away.

Let's keep this thread alive - I want to know what people are interested in to make it the best event it can be.

I can't do Moto Andalucia because of work commitments, unfortunately, but I'll pencil in the 2008 HU meeting. Combining it with the HUMM is a nice idea. I missed this year's HUMM because of work too, so I'll be keen to try it next year.

Hi, I'm new to the HUMM, but could you pencil me in for the 2008 meet. After a couple of trips in Holland, Germany and a great week in the French Alps i'm eager to undertake more trips/adventures. Look forward to meeting you folks and learning from your experiences. By the way,I have voted for September.

Regards

veteran pubber
 

Ok lads where's all the bike action in Andalucia?

I can't believe this, I've not logged into the forum for about a year and i log into find that you are organising something in my back garden.

I am close to El Chorro (alora) so if you need any help let me know..

Yep, absolutely could do with a hand next year. We're looking at the third weekend in September (19-21st) so clear your diary!! PM me with your contact details.

We had the first 'unofficial' meeting last month - Moto Andalucia. You can see the photos here - Picasa Web Albums - Dakota.

We've already got a few people on the list for presentations with promises of more people attending next year. A group of us will be leaving for Morocco straight after the meeting.

Does that work for going to morocco for end of ramadan?

I'm riding from Belfast on a road bike (honda deauville) and going on from the meeting to morocco to do a tour based on Tim's suggestions in the thread 'Morocco for beginers'.

Anyone else on a road bike?

Drew

Yes, that week does coincide with Ramadan (September 1 - September 29) and we're looking to leave on 22 for about 2 weeks or so. Tim did a presentation Morocco at our Moto Andalucia meeting last month and it got us all fired up to go!!

So far, everybody is on dual sport bikes and we are planning to ride roads and pistes. Eventually, we'll be publishing the proposed route with waypoints when we've got it all mapped out.

Haven't voted yet.
 

I'm considering doing my own thing in August but I'm having problems finding people with the motivation to come along.
I'm in Education so August is my only option as I don't get to choose my holidays.
But if my own thing doesn't work out and it was in August i'd love to come along.

Just incase your wondering! No I'm not a teacher and although I do get the same holidays, I don't get paid for 'em.
Thats why it's one trip a year in August.

Jon

All the best.

Jon.

i'm am Gardasee last week in Sept.what date for Moto Andalucia

19-21 September.

meeting 2008
 

Hi from northern Spain (oops Catalunya).
I am up for this meeting this year and especially like the idea of a Morrocco trip afterwards, would be better around the first 2 weeks of september because of kids etc. Hope it will happen and keep the info coming
regards
david:thumbup1:

Should have the date sorted for definite in a few days so will keep you posted.

Hi Dakota,
Been out of the loop for a bit but would be up for a gathering sep/oct as i was planning on being out that way around then.

As soon as the date are confirmed i can start shuffling plans.

:stormy:= :nono: :Beach: =:D

I'm up for this.

I read in a bike magazine here that there's an off-road route (joining up lots of others) from Barcelona to Madrid. Does anyone know if this is true? I don't have the magazine any more unfortunately.

I wonder if it's possible to try and get some off-roading (trail) from Barcelona down to the south. If anyone's interested, coming from the north? Plenty of time to plan a route.

Just waiting for Grant to make the announcement, but it's definitely on.

spanish meet
 

Hi
Im new to the site,and am planning my first trip--portugal,spain and france in late april and may,I plan to pass close to your location 2nd week in may,so any info would be good or a meet ,but unfortunatly would not be able to do july-august (I think Id melt)
:thumbup1:

Dates are confirmed folks - 12-14 September. More details to follow soon.

Looking for volunteers if anybody is local and available - please email me.

Looking for presenters:
- Tim Cullis will be doing a couple of presentations on Morocco and Garmin/Mapsource.
- If the colourful TedMagnum ever makes it back from SA he should be here.
- Maria41, also currently in SA will hopefully be here if her bike doesn't fall apart any more!!

Some of you already know that we had a small meeting last October to test the waters - Moto Andalucia. To give you an idea of what to expect at HU Andalucia 2008 go and have a look at the photos from that meeting on our newly revamped site - Moto Andalucía. You'll see some fellow HUBBers - Tim Cullis, Vaufi, motorbike mike and Smokin' Lizard.

Andy (Smokin'Lizard) and I look forward to seeing you all there. :Beach:

I was there last week, doing the usual tourist thing with my family. We were staying in Torremolinos but did a coach trip to El Chorro and the surrounding area. You've got some stunning roads out there and the surface quality, even out in the sticks, puts the UK to shame.

I'm interested but think I'll have to get myself some kind of dual-sport bike.

Hi Dakota
I passed through RioGordo a couple of weeks back on my Andalucian tour....nice place.I stayed in the Danish run hotel in Colmenar...recommended.I think you must have the best roads in Spain down there.
I will try to get back down there for the meeting.

Morocco?
 

Hi Mate
I'm definately up for this meeting if it is still on , but will have to put in my leave pass soon with her who should be obeyed! Also most interested in going onto Morocco as mentioned earlier in the thread are people still planning on doing this?
arabest from up norf
D:thumbup1: