MAN 4WD Dimensions
 

Gidday everyone, I think this is my first post on HU and hope someone can help out.

I say 'think' because I thought I posted the following question last night, but somehow seem to have lost it on this unbelievably informative site.

Anyway, can someone with a MAN 8.136/150FAE please tell me the track width and the overall height to the top of the cabin on original tyres.

Also, is it possible with sufficient patience, to find an 8.150FAE in RHD,
preferably a low mileage ex-military unit.

My wife and I are in our mid 60's and planning some ongoing world touring ... the Man looks like a perfect base for an offroad camper.

Thanks a lot.

Have you seen this ?
Man 8.150, Koffer L03 – Used Man 8.150, Koffer L03 in Europe

RHD is going to be very difficult in ex army esp with low mileage

Thanks tacr2man, but my planning is way short of being ready right now to purchase
a vehicle.

The reason for my questions is to see if the Man 4wd with a pop-top would fit into a high-cube shipping container, or maybe onto a flat rack.

Thanks anyway.

MAN dimensions
 

Thanks tacr2man, but we're way short of wanting to buy a vehicle right now.

The reason for my questions is to see if the vehicle, fitted with a pop-top camper, will fit inside a high cube shipping container.

Thanks again.

Sales MAN 8-150 FAE 4X4 ALLRAD EX-ARMY (ID: 1074923) Flatbed bodies used (Padborg / Denmark) - Trading Transport vehicles Portal
this gives you some dims , i think too high ?

this is the sort of thing you are thinking ?

Earthcruiser RV Expedition Overland all terrain motor home

Mitsi canter base

HTSH

Hiya

From the 1st ad, 3220 high on 9.00x20 tyres with a 2m high box. So a pop camper with maybe a foot of overlap when popped would end up about 600mm lower? Google says a HiCube container door is 2.56m high, so deflated tyres (or 20" rims made up to just drive in the container) then maybe? Assuming maybe low profile solar panels, no roof extractor fan etc?

As well as for instance a Unimog U1300l will fit on mostly deflated tyres, despite having portal axles so would be taller?

Or just make a normal camper box forkliftable so it and the truck will both fit separately in the same 40' Hi-Cube container one after the other? I don't know how common a container like that would be depending where you are and where your shipping plans may be though?

Can you go and look at one? Or at least contact a seller/dealer? The 1st ad truck doesn't have much carrying capacity either if his kerb weight is unfuelled, no water or people etc., bigger tyres may be good but will weigh more too.

"8500.00 € net, VW, MAN 8150, motor vehicle repair vehicle, type L03, Ident. WVML030403G070146, year 1991, mileage 190,912 km abgelsen according to the counter, manual 5-speed manual transmission, drive about 6 cylinder diesel engine with 114 kW / 155 hp, engine capacity 6871 cc, single cabin with 3 seats, tire size 9.00-20, profile left and right in each 10 mm, wheelbase 3100 mm, wheel formula 4x4, measures in length x width x height 6460 x 2440 x 3220 mm, dimensions box body in length x width x height 4600 x 2430 x 2000 mm, total weight 7490 kg curb weight 6900 kg, axle load front rear 3700 kg 4600 kg, heater, differential lock, power steering, tires, landing wedges, built in wardrobes, flaws, rust sh Photos, more information and more pictures like on request, this description does not constitute a binding offer and may contain errors, no guarantees on all information"

With unimog if you remove mudshields from hubs you can drive them into containers on the brake discs , without damage if done carefully HTSH

I would not drive any distance on brake discs, they are cast steel and could crack. It would be a better and maybe cheaper option in the long run to make up plate steel discs to drive into container on.

Graeme

Depending on where you are travelling , LHD may actually be better for you as once out of the UK then your steering wheel will be on the correct side and so make driving easier and safer.

Search for 'Bremach' as there are photos of vehicles based on this chassis with both the lifting roof and on disks (factory supplied) for getting it into containers

Ah found one....

Containerverlad - Oliver Reinhard – syt so guet

And the man :-) you need to speak to is Stan on www.theoverlander.net

Have done it several times , no probs , if you are really worried put a wooden plank under lowered vehicle (you have to make ramp into container anyhow) . Have you ever tried hitting brake disc with hammer ? JMHO

Jacksons in doncaster seem to have a few 8.136's

MAN 8.136 FAE 4x4 Drop side cargo truck // Ex Military vehicles for sale MAN. MOD Trucks

I'm with graeme, wouldn't want to run 8 tonne vehicles on their brakes

Yes, the Fuso would fit in :D EarthCruiser Overland Vehicles - Expedition Portal
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...nna-tracks.jpg

Japanese import RHD? Or Isuzu NPS? (asking, not stating).

Good luck,

Esteban

Hello,

Basic model specs (MAN 8.136 FAE - Danish Army Vehicles Homepage)

Length: 5.47 m (213 inches).
Width: 2.25 m (87 inches).
Height: 3.21 m (125 inches).
Weight: 8.000 kg (17.600 lb.).
Engine: Own 6-cylinder, type DO226MFA, 5.687 cm3 (347 cubic inches), liquid-cooled.
Horsepower: 136 at 3.000 rpm.
Transmission: 5-speed.
Transfer case: 2-speed.
Electrical system: 24 volt, negative ground.
Brakes: Air-over-mechanical.
Tyres: 12.5 - R20.
Fuel type: Diesel. Fuel capacity: 140 liter (31 gallons).
Range: 500 km (312 miles).
Additional: Also available as 8.150 (150 hp instead of 136). Some mounted with Sepson 4 ton H50G/63-40 winch.

MAN dimensions
 

Many thanks to all who've offered help, particularly rclafton for the containerisation info. A terrific help.

Maybe a lack of info in my first post hasn't helped me in receiving the answers I'm seeking.

To explain, the reason for contemplating the MAN in the first place for a world touring camper, is not my love of older vehicles. However, unlike newer vehicles it boasts mechanical simplicity which can handle high sulphur diesel and lacks electronics, highly competent 4x4 specs including diff locks, and an attractive price...all in a relatively small overall size.

I need to know the track width of the MAN because almost all of the hardcore tracks here in Australia have been made by Landrovers/Landcruisers, and vehicles with a track much wider chew their tyres to pieces on the tough tree roots along the track edges.

I asked about the overall cabin height because I drive heavy transport for a living, and can't believe the figure I've seen quoted of 3.2 metres just to the top of the cab ... that's a long way up!

I'm also trying to confirm what constitutes the MAN's overall width of
2.25 metres. Is that the widest part of the rear tray, or the width to the edge of the cabin's mudguards?

I look forward to the feedback.

Dont forget there are also open top and flatracks as here

NYK Line - Open Top Container Specifications

Here it is from Jane's Military Vehicles for the MAN 8.150:
length 5.92m
width 2.245m
cab height 2.68m (my rooftop height on the camper is 3.4m; 3.8m counting unmounted spare tires)
track 1.8m, like my Unimog, way more than a (narrow) Landcruiser thankfully considering the center of gravity
They make a 9.150 with GVM 8.99 ton
Chassis cab weight is only 3.7 ton so there is great load carrying ability.
Of course you need an RHD version to permanently register it in Australia. Like an idiot I forgot to order VarioPilot (switchable controls) on my U500 when I ordered it in 2005.
I wouldn't worry about the track, what keeps a bigger truck off narrow tracks in the forested parts of SE Australia (i.e. the Victorian Alps) is camper box height and overhanging trees. I had no problems going out to Rudall River, I heard different stories about really big MANs on the Canning: so-and-so had 20 punctures, someone else had none.

Charlie

Man fits container?
 

m37charlie you've made my day!

Those figures mean the MAN 8.150 can easily be made to fit inside a high cube shipping container.

I just need to clarify one point.

I recall reading some website where Jane's was 'reported' as saying the height was just over 3 metres.

Is your quoted height of 2.68 metres taken from the actual book of Jane's Military Vehicles? I mean have you seen it in print ... I just don't want to get too excited too soon.

By the way, I've been told MAN only made the 8.136/150 in LHD, so to
register one downunder it would had to have been built 30 years prior to
my planned date of registration.

Thanks again for your help.

Is it the 4wd?
 

m37charlie, I think I've unfortunately found a flaw in your figures.

It looks like I might have overlooked the important letters 'FAE' which denote the 4WD version of the 8.150.

Are you able to check Jane's for the cabin height of an 8.150 FAE.

I knew things seemed too good to be true.

Cheers.

There is no flaw in my figures, I got them directly out of my copy of Jane's Military Vehicles 2004-05, p.468. Unlike some web denizens these days, I do have and read real books, it comes from being an old fa*t.
It does of course refer to the FAE version, pretty much all the trucks listed in the Jane's are all wheel drive.

Charlie

As one old fa*t to another, that's terrific news.

But while I was awaiting that info, I was dealt what could be a fatal blow by the local registration authorities where I live.

I was told by an engineer that I could register a LHD vehicle as long as it was built 30 years prior to the date of registration. The other day when I rang the authorities to confirm this, I found-out that only applies to vehicles under 4.5 tonnes GVM ... all LHD vehicles over that MUST be converted to RHD.

I know that Unimogs cost around 4,000 pounds to convert in Britain... not
too bad given the purchase price.

While this question is 'way out there', would anyone know of a reputable firm in Europe that could convert the MAN, and the likely cost of doing so.

Who would have thought buying an old truck would prove so hard.

What!
How about all those LHD Soviet bloc trucks people own in the UK?
I thought registering a LHD vehicle of any size was easy in the UK!
That cannot be right. I know for a fact that Stephen Stewart has a recent model MAN 14 ton truck with a Bimobil camper that is LHD, and he lives near Milton Keynes, and I'm 99.9% sure it is registered in the UK.
You could buy a Unimog U500 like mine, but with the VarioPilot option with switchable controls. Last price list I saw it was 3999 euros for the option. Of course a new truck would cost about 162,000 euros with all the right options. Before VAT.

Charlie

Looks like I caused a little confusion with my reference to Europe.

I actually live in the mountains of N/E Victoria, Australia, but if I bought a Man from Europe I'd most likely have the RHD conversion done over there.
Hence my reference to England.

Oh to have the UK's registration freedoms.

It's a beautiful place down here with the immense physical freedom that open space provides, but bureaucratically the nation has become anally retentive ... every day a new rule and a fee to be paid.

It has reached the stage where the pollies and the police actually believe they're in control ... the fools! How did we cope before they came along.

What's that dear, stop the ranting and come and take my medication.

Ah, yes; my Mog just spent almost 2 years in Australia. I could have registered it in WA or perhaps somewhere else but for the LHD, hence my regret at not ordering VarioPilot. But if I had done that I would have have forfeited my carnet, ~$120K.
Australia has become EXTREMELY bureaucratic, the change between the early 90s and now is quite remarkable. If you want to register a truck at home, it must be RHD.

Charlie

Gusgus you know some older Mogs in the UK are RHD anyway? So keep an eye on what comes up for sale, then the previous owner will have paid most of the conversion cost?

:)

Have you considered All Terrain Warriors offerings? They will build a camper to order on any chassis, though they prefer Isuzu and especially Fuso. They do have experience with MAN. Actually "relatively speaking" new MAN trucks in Australia are semi reasonably priced (?twice their price in the US if we were lucky enough to have them, which we aren't). Certainly a lot cheaper than a newish U500 Mog with VarioPilot.
ATW are great people, John Marano who is their tech/sales person is super helpful, I know him personally.
In my decision making I quickly gave up on container sized vehicles and once I had decided on roro the horizon of choices greatly widened. You can do roro from Australia to Europe or US west/east coast; Pt Klang in Malaysia. And of course across the Atlantic, which is surprisingly "inexpensive". Transpacific is NOT cheap!!
I was going to ship from Perth to Malaysia, then spend 8 months travelling and seeing the countries and people of Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Yunnan, Tibet, Sinkiang, Inner and Outer Mongolia, and Russia. Then maybe Israel, Egypt, back to Israel, Turkey, Caucasus, Central Asia, back to Europe and US. But my wife came down with ALS (neurologic disease) so I shipped back to US/Alaska after truck spent ~2 yrs in Australia. Certainly saw a lot of your country.

Charlie

Trying to come up with a plan for a box to go on the rear of a MAN FAE 8.136. I've seen one overlander with a box 4m long x 2m high x 2m wide.

I don't want the box to look out of proportion to the vehicle, so what is the height to the top of chassis, so I can work out an overall height, and relationship to the cab roof?

Thanks.