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LR 110 300tdi vs. TLC HZJ78L
We r planning an overland trip to depart in Jan 06. Have narrowed down the truck search but are still unsure which is the better choice for novice mechanics, while still keeping the price reasonable... Neither one of us has ANY mechanical experience. Its our 1st overland trip (typically its only a backpack that we take!) We know that both r excellent choices - but w no experience we want something reliable and easy to repair if in a situation where there is no mechanic available - can anyone help us make the choice? We prefer these 2 b/c of the size, as we r traveling for 15-18mths and expect some visitors along the way. HZJ78s also tend to be pretty expensive - any suggestions on where to buy reliable useds 78s - we r prepping in the UK. Any help is greatly appreciated! THANKS:-)
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Hi,
You will struggle to find a 70 series in the UK because Toyota only really started to bring LCs in in any number with the 80 series. (having said that there has been a kitted out 70 series for sale in the UK, but am not sure if it still available - if you hit me off list I can email you the contact number). Being biased (see sig) I would recommend an LC for reliability - a well serviced LC is pretty bullet proof. Whilst there is a heavy LR bias in the UK, the LC have outsold them 20 times world wide for good reason. ------------------ Cheers, Julian Euro Landcruiser Owners Club http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/ |
Hi Julian - Thanks for the reply. We would love to get that contact info from you. Will send an email off line. Its at least a step in the right direction.
We r also willing to consider importing into the UK - of course if its a reasonable distance and not going to cost as much as the truck itself to ship! Any suggestions on contacts or sites for new or used 78s in Europe? R u aware of any restrictions w shipment to the UK? Thanks much! S. |
Hi,
You will find a greater choice of 70series in France, although they will be a little more expensive and left hand drive. Failing that consider importing from Japan. Why not go for an 80 series? There are plenty around if you look on Autotrader (http://www.autotrader.co.uk) for sensible prices particularly if you are looking for a base vehicle for overlanding as opposed to a smart mall cruiser. ------------------ Cheers, Julian Euro Landcruiser Owners Club http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/ |
Why not search the net and see what sort of LC you can unearth in OZ, you should be able to find a nicely kitted out one over there.
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Although Ive been told OZ is a great place to get a 78 (have even looked at a govt auction website), the prices Ive seen for a Used truck r no less then for a New truck and shipping from OZ I would expect to be an expensive undertaking. Can u shed any light on the shipping or reco other sites to look at trucks?
France is definitely a more reasonable option to ship from - can u recommend any english websites or truck dealers?? As for the 80 series - although it might be something we have consider - its the size of the 78 or 110 that we prefer... Your feedback terrific - thanks so much! |
UN 78's etc are available in Europe - if you've got any Dutch, french or German speaking friends get them to search for you.
Otherwise there is a dealer in Gibraltar who deals in UN LC's maybe he'll have some info for you. Try the following site for great LC and Overland info: http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/ |
Will definitely start to put all of my European friends to work for us.
I think Ive already been in touch w the dealer in Gibraltar that was mentioned - and unfortunatly they dont sell to pvt. individs. He did recommend someone else and am awaiting a response so just have to sit tight. Will check out the OZ site too. Other question - mechanic simplicity of TLC vs. LR... reason we started pounding the pavement for an LR was b/c we've been told they r much easier to handle mechanically for those who have no experience. Would u agree or disagree?? We know we r going to have problems w either one - its inevitable. TLCs r much more expensive then LRs - seems u think its well worth spending the extra $$ on a new or used TLC vs. a LR for the added security - what about when something does go wrong and we r the only ones around to attempt a quick fix?? ...TLC still the winner & worth it in your opinons? Any other truck sites to reco - keep'em coming! Thanks much! S |
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How about a 60 series? they come up on ebay reasonably often and a good one should cost no more than 2000-2500 gb pounds. They are, I am told, much cheaper here than abroad and certainly cheaper than the 70's. I have owned four landrovers and now own a landcruiser. I have often heard it said that if you are good with spanners a landrover is a good choice, being simpler to fix. Otherwise, and if your life depends on your vehicle starting in the morning, get a landcruiser. the 60 series are as hard as nails, and you won't get the equivalent landrover for twice the money, just watch out for rust, you have to watch for this on landrovers as well (contrary to popular belief) and it seems as though the newer a landy the worse the rustproofing.
Andy Land rover 101 Ambie/camper Toyota landcruiser 60 series ford escort and 1968 morris minor traveller! [This message has been edited by moggy 1968 (edited 26 June 2005).] |
Tom shepherd gives some good advice on shipping vehicles in his book on vehicle based exploration. I don't have it handy but if anyone needs some a dvice email me and I'll see what I can do.
Andy Land rover 101 Ambie/camper Toyota landcruiser 60 series ford escort and 1968 morris minor traveller! Quote:
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Carpoint & Explore OZ r definitely helpful - thanks for sending the links.
Andy - why did u switch to TLCs after owning 4 LRs?? and excuse the mechanical ignorance - but what is a spanner? thanks slobo |
Originally posted by slobo:
...and excuse the mechanical ignorance - but what is a spanner? slobo, Going on a vehicle based trans-Africa trip requires a degree of mechanical skills and knowledge among the team. At best to avoid gross inconvenience, but above all to be able to assess if a problem with the car is minor or serious. Should I continue to the nearest workshop or should I stop and seek help? You can't just rely on the check engine light to tell you something is wrong. ------------------ Roman (UK) www.overlandcruiser.info [This message has been edited by Roman (edited 27 June 2005).] [This message has been edited by Roman (edited 27 June 2005).] |
Definitely aware relying on the "Check Engine" light isnt an option for a trip of this magnitude - we plan on becoming intimately familiar w our truck both inside and out before we set off...
Now that I know what u call a Spanner in the UK, is what we call a Wrench in America - rest assured I do know how to use one! Thanks Slobo |
Slobo,
I am not aware of geographical variations (although it's still something to keep in mind while travelling), but the difference between a spanner ( http://tinyurl.com/c4exm ) and a wrench ( http://tinyurl.com/88ace ) is sometimes hard to appreciate. What realy matters is having a proper selection of tools enabling you to get nuts and bolts undone and then having none left when the job has been finished :-) ------------------ Roman (UK) www.overlandcruiser.info |
Hey Roman, that how I get parts for the next breakdown! Make sure parts are left over from each one. Land Rovers certainly have a tendancy to breed parts during repair! I think TLC don't break down because they don't breed parts during repair. ;-) cheers Graham www.africaoverland.org |
Whilst Ive heard it said by many that TLCs are better built (and the engines are built with far higher precision, for sure), I have never had reliability problems with LRs, and that's doing on average 10,000 - 15,000 hard miles offroad in the Sahara for each of the last 4 years.
As a mechanical novice I can fix my LRs (I have one, had to sell my second as I couldnt afford to export it Egypt-UK), never tried fixing TLCs. Certainly the more modern ones seem to be crammed with electrickery and I wouldnt know where to start (same I guess with TD5s) Its certainly true that during the mid-80s LR had some terrible reliability issues thanks to Leyland (parent company) and poor steel quality etc. However this ghost has dogged the brand since and, though Ive heard plenty of horror stories, Ive never actually *met* anyone who has been badly let down by a LR Defender - on the contrary, plenty of folk I know swear by them. A friend is in central Africa right now in his 110, Cape Town-bound, and his LR is doing its third UK-South Africa run. My experience of Land Rovers has been utter reliability, beyond that shown by other marques (incl Toyota Im afraid) Personally Id buy an early to mid 90s 200TDi 110 in good order. I can find you a few in the UK if you want. No doubt all the TLC lovers on here will leap up and down and wave their arms about... all I can say is my opinions are based on a hell of a lot of Saharan travel, and seeing an awful lot of trucks flounder where Landies just keep on rolling. *edit*.. and whilst I remember... two TLC-owning American friends in Cairo came back from one of our desert trips, sold their TLC and bought a Defender, based on comparative performance offroad in one case and reliability in the other. [This message has been edited by Runner (edited 29 June 2005).] |
Runner - thanks for your detailed feedback on LRs - u definitely make a good argument on their behalf! We r going to be looking at both TLCs & LRs next week and hope to make our decision on the winner!
Know what can go wrong on ANY truck is really dependant upon a number of things like, the truck itself, driving conditions and the drivers skill - but w regard to LRs do u think that one should be sure to get extra training to be preparred in dealing w certain mechanical problems more then others especially if purchasing a used truck?? |
Runner
I have to say that my experience with Lrs is the comp-lete opposite. Admittedly not in the sahara but in the Balkans during the war and no i wasn;t in the army. Everything that could go wrong did on a succession of LRs - door locks, tailgate hinges, crankshaft and piston failure, fuel leaks, transfer box failure, clutch failure etc etc. I hear regularly from mates who have just bought a new LR and ground to a halt on the way home. As a kid/teenager growing up in kenya, we had a petrol TLC and a Renault 4 with bigger tyres. Apart from routine maintenance neither car let us down over an 8 year period. Except for a host of punctures one day on the R4 and that was because we were in the middle of nowhere in the Samburu, northern Kenya. We all make our decisions on what to buy based on past experiences and I for one would never buy a British vehicle again. Ever. But I know plenty of others who have and they are very happy. I now have a 1993 80 series Land Cruiser with only 53 thousand miles on the clock. I may break it, it may break, but it was my choice to buy a Toyota. It's much more comfortable for my 6'2"+ frame, is a 4.2TD so powerful for what I need in n Africa, huge payload, and automatic because I gave up changing gear ages ago. By the way, the auto box is tough - all I've done is add an oil cooler to it to cope with sahara heat. I've done the usual springs and shocks mods and more. The only electrickery is in the windows, switches for the three difflocks etc etc. I wish I'd bought one years ago. Living in London, it is great fun hauling it around the narrow streets. More fun in the desert tho'. My experience in Africa lead to my choice. jeremy ------------------ pigapicha |
The good things about LR is that you'll never feel guilty about making holes here and there or rivetting things, etc., somehow I miss that.
I've owned both LR and TLC and no doubt both cars will get you through Africa, my only advice is: if you are travelling just for travel and adventures then get the LR as it'll keep you busy holding it running and it'll make the trip more fun. If you are doing other things while you travel as researching, writing, photographing or doing a website, etc, then get the TLC as you'd rarely open the bonnet. cheers mario www.southing.com |
A spanner is a piece of equipment kept in the rear of the vehicle that you move out of the way to get your hands on a big hammer!!
two reasons for moving to landcruiser 1) cost. my cruiser cost 2050 pounds, you don't get a lot of landrover for that 2.)reliability My mechanical knowledge is limited to servicing and maybe the odd other bit of repair work but I don't feel that confident about my diagnostic abilities out in the boonies on my own. The landcruiser has reliability (and mechanical longevity) landrover could only dream about. I owned a diesel turbo 90 once though, so I have had experience of probably the worst engine landrover have ever produced. andy toyota landcruiser h60 landrover 101 ambie/camper 1968 morris minor traveller andy Quote:
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I must admit I do like the straight-6 TLC troopie, I was loaned one for a week in southern Egypt and it was sweet to drive. Loads of power. I felt it had less axle articulation than my Defender and it certainly was less agile over rough ground but equally had more power in big dunes, and was larger inside (I am 6' and am quite happy with my Defender, I have a friend who is 6'5" and loves his Defender but has had to modify it so he can fit comfortably!). Each required a different style of driving.
On reliability, the same guy who loaned me the troopie had his other two TLCs down that week with transfer box and gearbox issues. Thats not a TLC reliability issue necessarily, when it comes to failure of major drivetrain elements etc its often lousy mechanics that are to blame (esp in Africa and the Middle East - after some horrible experiences I decided to do all my own work and learn on the job after Arab mechanics stole parts of my engine (and other folks), lied regularly about hat had been fixed etc etc) rather than one specific type. Ive said it recently elsewhere on here its worth saying again that the fleet manager of Red Cross in Eritrea said recently that Land Cruisers last three years in African conditions, Land Rovers last fifteen years, and therefore Red Cross are going back to Land Rover after a brief cost-driven flirtation with Toyota. I did a double-take when I read it but he was vehement! You will meet those who love each marque and slag the other to death, you will hear horror stories about each (see above!), as this is perhaps the biggest rivalry in the 4x4 world. Each is a very capable truck with pros and cons. Maybe the best solution is to borrow a few from dealers and drive them on and offroad and see which you personally prefer! |
To add another factor, there are those who swear by the Mk I Range Rover for overlanding; lovely V8 (can get TDi too), good approach and departure angles, super to drive and extremely capable offroad (better than a TLC or LR 110, shorter wheelbase). Spares might be a problem, as might finding a good one, but they are terrific cars. I have several friends who use them and swear by them.
Just an idea.... |
Runner
Assume you are talking to yourself...?? Are just trying to convince yourself re a big decision. Whatever your choice in these things, best of luck and bon voyage. ------------------ pigapitcha |
All of this feedback has been most helpful - we've been visiting outfitters to discuss prep work costs and mechanics. Drove an LR today and going to test drive a TLC tomorrow.
Seems it really comes down to personal "feeling" and preference - each has their pros & cons. Have been told some interesting facts about each tho... TLCs altho more expensive, require less equipment therefore cheaper to prep vs. LR which is less expensive to buy but require more equipment, specifially more protection equipment ie underbody protection and roll cage?? Both said roll cage is a must to work into your budget and that is an expense we were going to do away with, one also advised DEFINITE underbody protection for the LR (not required for TLC)but the other said the underbody protect was just more weight to the truck and not necessary unless u r dont plan to be carefully when driving... What's your take on those issues?? Thanks again! Slobo |
Also - received other suggestions of 130LR or 75 or 80 series TLC - to make this process even more difficult for us!!
How does the 80 or 75 compare to 78 - size wise, handling, durability, etc, etc - or is size really the only difference to consider when making a decision about any of these TLCs? Any experience w 130LRs?? how do they measure up - what's decent year/mileage to look for and what price ranges do they generally fall into - if anyone knows?? |
130s (and their earlier sibling the 127) are really appealing for long-range stuff - electricity companies in the UK use them for hauling huge pieces of pylon offroad and then erecting them. Of course you lose out in offroad agility due to the longer wheelbase (partly fixable by adding taller tyres or raised suspension etc) and they are big when trying to turn etc (though there is a guy in Oz who makes them with steerable rear wheels!). You can get a huge amount of kit into them and they are very tough trucks.
Available fairly cheaply in UK as ex-RAF and ex-USAF vehicles with V8. Underbody protection, I dont know enough about the underbody mechanicals of a TLC to comment but they do, in general, have less ground clearance than Land Rovers and so there seems to be an argument for giving them more underbody armour. Do you need it? It depends on your route. If you envisage a lot of serious offroad rock-hopping or solo offroading them put some on (steering guard, diff guards) but it does add to weight. Dont bother about axle guards unless you are driving extremely rocky terrain and dont worry about fuel tank guards unless ditto - they weigh loads! Ive gone to the desert, bush and subdesert with a lot of different 4x4s and nobody's ever needed underbody armour, though at home in the UK when Ive been greenlaning for recreation Ive _sometimes_ needed it (front diff guard and steering guard) in deep mud with hidden rocks. Basically TLCs and LRs are designed to be very competent offroaders 'out of the box'. 90% of the time you will get away without needing any underbody protection. *edit* Puzzled by the need for additional equipment when overlanding either a 'standard' TLC or LR? Both are capable and spacious offroaders with decent suspension, difflocks etc- and when it comes to roofracks, tents, water tanks, jerry can racks etc these dont come as standard on any vehicle. What 'extra equipment' does a TLC come with that a LR lacks? *edit again* better than fitting underbody protection is to drive slowly and carefully offroad and if in doubt walk the terrain first (if possible) and have a spotter over difficult sections. Mind you there's always that time when you are tired, the visibility is bad or rocks are hidden.... If in doubt put a steering guard and front diff guard in - easy to fit, cheap and not over heavy. *still more edits* Roll cages weigh a huge amount and you very seldom need them. Ive never met an overlander who has one, though I know a of guy who flipped his LR whilst dune-hopping -he wished he had one! I wouldnt bother, to be honest. They are hugely heavy and change the centre of gravity much for the worse. [This message has been edited by Runner (edited 07 July 2005).] [This message has been edited by Runner (edited 07 July 2005).] [This message has been edited by Runner (edited 07 July 2005).] |
Hi Slobo,
75 vs 80? The former is the toughest, meanest, most rugged workhorse 4x4 you can ever get. Leaf sprung suspension, great load carrying capability, short on comfort, diesel engined versions have no turbo, hard to get in Europe. The latter was the top of the range toyota 4x4 during the '90s. Coil sprung, great engines, plenty of space, comfortable, many extras (that do work after many years). Highly recommended. LR130? Plenty of load space. As for other features - well, it's a landrover, standard caveats apply. ------------------ Roman (UK) www.overlandcruiser.info |
Runner
"What 'extra equipment' does a TLC come with that a LR lacks?" Do you really need to ask? See above... ------------------ pigapitcha |
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just to mention some extra equipment standard in a TLC that LR doesn't have:
- both front and rear diff locks (on the diff and not on the transfer case) - two 90 liters diesel tanks - freewheel hubs - selective 2 or 4 WD - water separator (RAKO filter) with a warning light on the dash - an altitude sensor on the injection pump that make them smoke less on higher altitudes (some models) - front coils and rear leafs - tilt adjustable steering - water free cabin - disc brakes front and rear mmmhhh.... |
mario,
sorry to rain on your parade, but only some of these features come as standard, sadly only those that are not at the top of anyone's priority list, such as tilt adjustable steering or leek free cabin. Most other features depend on LC model, spec level, market, year of manufacture, etc. ------------------ Roman (UK) www.overlandcruiser.info |
with most of those'features' I don't really understandwhat your getting at As far as I am aware the only vehicle that comes with standard cross axle diff locks is a G waggon (other than a unimog of course, but that's a ratehr different league) despite this the Gwagon is not as capable off road as a lR, mainly because of axle articlutation, although tom shepherd has one, and he knows a thing or 2
Freewheeling hubs, I have yet to notice any benefit fromthese whatsover on the 10 or so different off roaders I have owned. Just another thing to go wrong, and they do. You can't have them on a full time 4x4 anyhow on that point landrovers are full time 4x4 which is considerably better than part time, allowing better grip on road and in marginal conditions(eh ice). It also allows the use of low ration in situations of high grip/low speed such as rock crawling or reversing a trailer, (part time 4x4 will egt transmission windup in such circumstances. newer landrovers have engine management systems which readjust engine timing according to such factors as althitude 110 and 90 landrovers have discs up front and drums rear, newer ones have discs all round. front coils rear leafs? a rather irrelevant point really in a discussion about optional versus standard equipment. discusions on the relative merits of these two systems would occupy a whole other topic. I don't think a water free cabin really counts as standard or optional equipment. tilt adjustable streering wheel, well!? There are a whole multitide of things that come as standard on landrovers, discussion of which would be just as pointless. for example. central locking- you can reach both front doors from the driving position automatic windows - you automatically open them when it gets too hot surround sound (work that one out!) face level fresh air system etc etc etc Quote:
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fair enough...
you keep the car with central locking-automatic windows and surround sound... and I keep the one front coils/rear leafs-double diff lock and 180 liter diesel... |
Runner
I rest my case... ------------------ pigapitcha |
Thank you. A list was all I wanted. Apart from a few features (some of which arent TLC standard fit on all models eg diff locks) there doesnt seem to be much there to make a difference
diff locks - standard argument goes that with superior axle articulation and a centre diff, front and rear axle lockers arent needed. They arent fitted as standard on all TLCs anyway. Having trundled my 110 through the giant dunes of the Great Sand Sea and the five foot peat bog of the Yorkshire Moors Im happy with the LR setup Twin tanks - two schools of thought - do you go for non-removable weight (twin tanks) which can be a hassle when stuck or removable weight (jerry cans) which can be added clutter? They are a factory option on some LRs anyway but I went for the latter. Freewheel hubs - pointless to many Selective 2wd or 4wd - negligible benefit (and I might add, with a grin 'ooh, LR did away with that years ago!' http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/wink.gif ) Water separator - yes please Altitude sensor - yes please Front coils and rear leaves - so? (and not standard anyway) Tilt adjustable steering - erm... Water free cabin - ditto Front and rear discs - so does my Defender? Doesnt seem much of a 'case'.... water sensor and altitude sensor are nice extra goodies but hardly a vast argument. The only TLC Ive been tempted by was the straight-6 Troop Carrier, but the cart springs and lack of axle travel/ground clearance put me off. Central locking and automatic windows? Keep them - they get jammed with sand in the Sahara. Surround sound? I dare say folk can live without it. I have it cos I fitted it myself but its hardly a prerequisite for an expedition wagon. Bored now. [This message has been edited by Runner (edited 08 July 2005).] |
:-) nice.
in short my experience. I've been traveling together with a couple in a TLC 78 from halfway Gabon down till halfway Angola. I was in a LR disco 200tdi (with 225/75 tires). On several occasions they mentionned 'maybe we should get a disco next time...'. This I think was because, without giving much to worry about, the disco was pretty capable, maneuvreable, comfortable, and increadibly cheap second hand. As for off-road capabillity, non of us got stuck. TLC had to resort to axle diff locks like 2 times. I'm sure it would have managed with open diffs just as well. Despite more fuel capacity on the TLC, we had a comparable range (I did like 8,5l/100km, with an 80l tank). In the dessert, the big TLC engine has the edge (on the other side, this engine is hard on the clutch, and on the TLC it's the clutch that might go wrong). Now, for all 'normal' dessert tourists, I'm pretty sure this doesn't matter. The LR's are slower in deep sand. Might be safer as well is'nt it? Once trough the dessert, there's no advantage in having 4.2l engine, and in the mud, I think it's rather a disadvantage then an advantage. Oh yeah, and the disco has a steel innershell, so there's no need for a roll cage. (I do recomment a steering guard, which is not an increadably expense, and it doesn't weight a ton) |
I rest my case too...
you win... you keep your beautiful Land Rovers with all those advantages... and I keep my TLC with all these disadvantages fair enough. |
Nothing like a good flame war to wake everyone up - how about discussing macs vs PCs ;-)
The LRs and LCs are both extremely capable machines out of the box and are used in that form all around the world. A few years ago when I was looking for a 4x4, I went down the 80 series TLC route on the following basis. They are solid and reliable when properly maintained. They provide a higher level of comfort to most LRs. Diff locks all round as standard (UK spec). Coil springs all round. Disks all round. The 4.2l TD engine is one of the best around. TLCs have out sold LRs 20 times world wide, which has to count for something. And from the Owners CLub point of view, it is interesting to note that a number of the serious overlanders like Roman have moved over to TLCs from LRs. And to mention another overlander I know who is a LR fanatic, but also has a 80 series TLC that he occasionally uses, he sent his TLC in for service and it needed new seals on a caliper - his comment was that he was surprised that is all that it needed - his LRs (he has had a string of them) always needed a lot more doing to them. Personally I am aiming to get a 95-97 80 series TLC with the 24valve 4.2TD coupled to the strong auto box. Mechanically I would just add a decent OME suspension upgrade, an oil cooler for the auto box (in line with the Asian spec) and then some steel wheels and tyres - that is all you really need - the rest is pretty solid. You can of course add on things like steering protectors, long range fuel tanks, etc, but those are primarily personal choices. ------------------ Cheers, Julian Euro Landcruiser Owners Club http://www.landcruisers.info/lists/ |
This one is going to run and run. Bit like my 80 series Land Cruiser really.
Off to fit some Escape seat covers. Pip pip Jeremy ------------------ pigapitcha |
you may not have noticed, I have both!!!
the central locking and auto windows was a joke by the way! andy toyoya landcruiser H60 landrover 101 ambie/camper morris minor traveller Quote:
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I really like Macs. PC are terrible. In fact anyone with a PC is a heathen who should be burned.
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I really like PCs, macs are terrible. In fact anyone with a mac is a heathen who should be burned.
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"... said recently that Land Cruisers last three years in African conditions, Land Rovers last fifteen years..."
An intriguing stat - not sure how you calculate it but I bet those LRs can be deployed in less than 45 mins too... ;-) Ch |
After your healthy debate and our own research - For our 1st choice of truck - We are hoping to get a new 78 for the trip.
Good news is that we have sources in Germany, Denmark & Belgium. Bad news is that we r quickly finding out that the purchase process would be a compliated one! Issues to name a few: - time limit for export from EU in order to recoup VAT is btwn 5-8 days (does this sound right?) - time limit for export obviously gives us no time to make additional mods to the truck before setting off - unless there is a way around it?? - potential problems w registration the UK?? Anyone have experience with these hurdles?? Can u offer any advice on how to deal with? Know what other options we might have and not know of?? Or suggestion on other avenues we could go down that could make process easier?? Thanks for your thoughts! |
<- potential problems w registration the UK?>
Assuming you have paid the VAT by now, I think there could be probs with a new one because of Type Approval or whatever they call it. It's got stricter lately and I think the 1HZ motor has bad emissions (it's might be a 1HD though). But then again, Germany can't be any more lenient than UK on emissions... Worth checking before you buy. Do a search as it was discussed here before I believe. If a used 78 before a certain year is UK registerable - I still think Australia is the best place to get them: 12v, a/c, twin tanks, snorkel and flippers - but split rims. Or take the easy route and just get a nice 80 in the UK from £4-5k and enjoy a ride your granny would love - because being different aint cheap. Ch |
What Chris says above is about right. Much better to get an 80. Fine car and much less hassle and cost to prep than a 78. And good 78s are hard to find at the right price as I found last year. Once committed to going for an 80, it took me 4 months of constant searching to find the right car and even then I had to move fast to make sure I got it. Its going to get its first work out this september in Maroc and Mauri.
Jeremy ------------------ pigapitcha |
Will be sure to confirm if our options are 1HZ or 1HD - thanks for raising the issue.
Its the space and the simplicity of the 78 or even used 75 that we were looking for - doing more research on the complexity of import so hopeful to work it out...we'll see! thanks much |
Slobo,
If you are looking for used 75 (already imported of course) there are some addresses in the Netherlands. RV4WD is a TLC 75 specialist who usually has a few on stock. Tel; +31 (0)341-413496. Also if you google some time, there is a Belgian guy who has many on stock. Furthermore I believe that if a car is already allowed on European territory that is has to be admitted to any EU country (not ab sure though). Cheers, Noel |
Great rec Noel - thanks!
RV4WD has a few of what we r looking for and am in contact Ive tried to find the Belgian guy u mention thru Google - no luck, do u have a name or other info to pass on - would be terrific! Thank much! S. |
must be this one:
http://www.roots4x4.com/ Loads of experience of prepping and driving TLC's trough africa there. I'll guess you'll find the e-mail on that page. Here 's the cars section:http://www.roots4x4.com/verkoop.php?show=auto Second hand (tweedehands) section: http://www.roots4x4.com/verkoop.php?...8abeeae16e6a85 |
Huge help to have the name - emailed them to send me the details in English :-)
Thanks so much- |
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