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brian p 27 Sep 2013 21:27

the complete tent
 
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first off.....i am not using this for the bike,but the practicality with space to cook,blog,sit or stand....even dance while its pissing out.....also i cant afford a hotel.the tent looks ideal for the lone traveler WITH TIME,
ok its 6kilos but i think the pros outway the cons....well for me any way Attachment 10695

Warin 27 Sep 2013 23:08

Can it be put up in a smaller configuration - think about putting it up for one night only, moving on the next day and then repeat for a few weeks.. you'll get sick of putting all that up if your not stopping for a few nights in a row.


And trying to hide .. you don't want a bright colour... Ok on the bottom of the tent - you can use that to attract attention if you need to .. but something less attention getting overall is better.

brian p 28 Sep 2013 10:56

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Originally Posted by Warin (Post 438031)
Can it be put up in a smaller configuration - think about putting it up for one night only, moving on the next day and then repeat for a few weeks.. you'll get sick of putting all that up if your not stopping for a few nights in a row.


And trying to hide .. you don't want a bright colour... Ok on the bottom of the tent - you can use that to attract attention if you need to .. but something less attention getting overall is better.

yeh its pretty quick to pitch,down to 10 mins,this one isnt mine i actually ordered the green one,i wouldnt be caught dead with a yellow/orange tent:thumbup1:
there will be times when il be pitched for a week,any way i HATE crawling in around tents lying on my back pissed of listening to the rain,cramped up bearly able to breath,i can fold out my foldable chair,put on a steak,make a cup of tea and read a book all inside the tent while gazing out at the rain,for an extra 3-5mins of work pitching,im telling you its worth it!

GSPeter 28 Sep 2013 14:40

complete tent
 
Hi Brian,
I would be very sceptical parking a bike so close, that if it fell over it would hit you or trash your tent.
If you have the space to carry a larger tent it is a real luxury - every aspect of tent dwelling is easier, except finding a level, dry pitch without ants, mosquitoes and noisy neighbors.
safe travels, let us know how it goes

Peter, in Oslo

brian p 28 Sep 2013 16:34

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Originally Posted by GSPeter (Post 438154)
Hi Brian,
I would be very sceptical parking a bike so close, that if it fell over it would hit you or trash your tent.
If you have the space to carry a larger tent it is a real luxury - every aspect of tent dwelling is easier, except finding a level, dry pitch without ants, mosquitoes and noisy neighbors.
safe travels, let us know how it goes

Peter, in Oslo

thanks peter,yes it is a risk,but my dr can fit in lenght ways also,but to be honest i dont think il even have the bike inside,its the room to be able to relax that i wanted it for,write my blogs etc,crawling around in the rain in low two man tents is not my thing anymore
ps you live in oslo,drove there 2 years ago,2mins in the capital and i got a 100euro parking fine(that still needs paying) loved norway:thumbup1:

GSPeter 28 Sep 2013 17:22

Parking fine
 
You must have shown some rare initiative to get such a fine, and that was standing still. You can imagine the fine you get for speeding, more than 50% of the limit and you walk home

/d: FOR-1990-06-29-492 :d/ Forskrift om forenklet forelegg i vegtrafikksaker

Met a pissed-off german guy returning from Norway in Varberg Sweden. He was caught speeding two times in same day in Østerdalen. Slow learner. They cleaned him out, and told him to leave Norway.

Back to tents, I have several types and sizes. Also use a hammock, which is very handy, but no privacy and has to hang from something solid.

Safe travels,

Peter, in Oslo

stuxtttr 28 Sep 2013 18:21

Great tent, I think having the ability to hide the bike away or work on the bike in a torrential downpour is a big advantage.

As long as the tent is not too big or heavy.

Like you say for a year plus of travel 3 mins extra per pitch is a little to pay for space and comfort.

I saw a tepee style tent that could sleep 3 in a netted section still had room for four more and weighed in at 4.5 kgs, not sure if you could fit a bike in there but it seemed like a good price at around £200:scooter:

brian p 28 Sep 2013 20:07

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Originally Posted by stuxtttr (Post 438172)
Great tent, I think having the ability to hide the bike away or work on the bike in a torrential downpour is a big advantage.

As long as the tent is not too big or heavy.

Like you say for a year plus of travel 3 mins extra per pitch is a little to pay for space and comfort.

I saw a tepee style tent that could sleep 3 in a netted section still had room for four more and weighed in at 4.5 kgs, not sure if you could fit a bike in there but it seemed like a good price at around £200:scooter:

yes i have to agree,hiding and working on the bike is another huge bonus,
i was looking at those tepee tents,great prices & loads of room but what swung it for me about the expedition tent was the fact that i could cook inside the bike area of the tent with the door left up without getting gassed by fumes or soaked by the rain :thumbup1: they are pricey but i always say where you sleep at night for a year or so really tips the delicate balance of your sanity:taz:

brian p 28 Sep 2013 20:19

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Originally Posted by GSPeter (Post 438166)
You must have shown some rare initiative to get such a fine, and that was standing still. You can imagine the fine you get for speeding, more than 50% of the limit and you walk home

/d: FOR-1990-06-29-492 :d/ Forskrift om forenklet forelegg i vegtrafikksaker

Met a pissed-off german guy returning from Norway in Varberg Sweden. He was caught speeding two times in same day in Østerdalen. Slow learner. They cleaned him out, and told him to leave Norway.

Back to tents, I have several types and sizes. Also use a hammock, which is very handy, but no privacy and has to hang from something solid.

Safe travels,

Peter, in Oslo

my god i could only imagine,poor lad,what happend to me was i parked on the side of a street got off the bike went into a shop and bought a coffee,came out and a yellow ticket was wrapped on the handlebars,expensive fine list,im guessing i was lucky when me and my brother were doing 170mph from stockholm to oslo on one or two nice roads:innocent: we would of had a long walk homebeer i was looking at hammocks they look the job and light too,great nights sleep im betting!

chris 30 Sep 2013 16:19

Also be aware of the carcinogenic and just not very pleasant effects of petrol fumes in an enclosed environment like a tent. I tried sharing the back of a van with 1 and 2 bikes and it wasn't a pleasant experience. Won't be doing it again :funmeterno:. We're not talking leaks here, just fumes from the petrol cap breather.

mark k 30 Sep 2013 18:25

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Originally Posted by chris (Post 438370)
Also be aware of the carcinogenic and just not very pleasant effects of petrol fumes in an enclosed environment like a tent. I tried sharing the back of a van with 1 and 2 bikes and it wasn't a pleasant experience. Won't be doing it again :funmeterno:. We're not talking leaks here, just fumes from the petrol cap breather.

Chris if you had a more reliable bike you wouldn't have to share the back of a van with it ;)

chris 30 Sep 2013 19:24

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Originally Posted by mark k (Post 438382)
Chris if you had a more reliable bike you wouldn't have to share the back of a van with it ;)

Sorry. Should have been more precise: Dirt bike in van travelling to and from trail riding event. The bike in question is yellow and ultra reliable... :)

I've heard orange Lada aficionados like your good self have shares in the RAC ;) And our American friends are in the Caravan Club too.

*Touring Ted* 30 Sep 2013 20:35

Each to their own, but I've NEVER understood why anyone would want to park their bike in their tent with them.

I mean, they're pretty waterproof. None of mine have dissolved yet...

Petrol fumes, dog shit on your tyres, dripping chain oiler etc etc etc...

Save the space for the ladeeeezzzz :innocent:

brian p 30 Sep 2013 21:38

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Originally Posted by chris (Post 438370)
Also be aware of the carcinogenic and just not very pleasant effects of petrol fumes in an enclosed environment like a tent. I tried sharing the back of a van with 1 and 2 bikes and it wasn't a pleasant experience. Won't be doing it again :funmeterno:. We're not talking leaks here, just fumes from the petrol cap breather.

probably 2stroke as well,a lot more sensitive to the senses alright,well thats a cheap way to get wasted:(

Pongo 1 Oct 2013 09:41

Had a good look at one of these last year, but discounted it eventually for one major reason, there's no such thing as flat ground- which is what you need for a tent like this to work properly. The Inner tent has a waterproof tub, but (IMHO)it's not very strong underneath and a footprint under groundsheet is essential if you want to protect the bottom from the effect of ground rubbing. As it will be used on a daily basis it's going to get well used. The outside area of the tent has no ground sheet, and however hard you try water will get under the edge and make things damp and uncomfortable.

In dry warm weather, I 'm sure it's fine, but for me a tent must be a dry comfortable place whatever the weather.

I agree wholeheartedly about not liking crawling around in a tent, and this summer has been a game changer for me as my knees have started to complain. My Khyman Biker Tent has stood up well to indifferent weather although my last trip down to the France mini meet was just about the last straw as I did get a bit damp in the outer tent, ( mind you it was a flood!).

I am also looking to change for something a bit taller and with a built in heavy duty groundsheet throughout. Yes it will be heavier, but I'm prepared to accept that for a degree of essential comfort.

Walkabout 1 Oct 2013 12:44

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Originally Posted by Pongo (Post 438436)
In dry warm weather, I 'm sure it's fine, but for me a tent must be a dry comfortable place whatever the weather.

I haven't found one of these to date, and I'm still looking around.

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Originally Posted by Pongo (Post 438436)
I agree wholeheartedly about not liking crawling around in a tent, and this summer has been a game changer for me as my knees have started to complain.

Welcome to that particular club! It doesn't get any better, unfortunately.
:funmeterno:

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Originally Posted by Pongo (Post 438436)
I am also looking to change for something a bit taller and with a built in heavy duty groundsheet throughout. Yes it will be heavier, but I'm prepared to accept that for a degree of essential comfort.

I have the same concept in mind, but I don't know where to find that elusive tent; a separate footprint for any tent goes some way toward meeting the heavy duty aspect but the height business remains elusive.

Toyark 1 Oct 2013 13:44

Have you thought about using a combination? as in tent and a tarp?
The latter can be raised high giving you good sheltered living space, covers your tent so that you don't get so much 'drumming' on it when it rains (way quieter) and protects from UV too. It's also handy for making bike repairs under.
Great for making new friends too as many are attracted to my wee fire in a wildwood stove. :smiliex:

The combo I have settled for is the Nammatj 2 GT and a 4.25m X 4.45m tarp.
At only an extra 2 kgs inc extra pegs, lines & poles- IMHO, well worth while. All fits inside the Maplins photographers Pelican look-alike briefcase.
Although you'll still have to bend a bit to get in and out of the tent! but that's still good exercise to keep the onset of arthritis at bay- ouch!

brian p 1 Oct 2013 16:16

The combo I have settled for is the Nammatj 2 GT and a 4.25m X 4.45m tarp.
At only an extra 2 kgs inc extra pegs, lines & poles- IMHO, well worth while. All fits inside the Maplins photographers Pelican look-alike briefcase.
Although you'll still have to bend a bit to get in and out of the tent! but that's still good exercise to keep the onset of arthritis at bay- ouch![/QUOTE]

i must admit that looks the complete package,especially with the added bonus of uv protection but on a stormy night i would be thinking...things could get interesting with the tarp:confused1: have you used it much?

haggis 1 Oct 2013 16:25

too much time to put up and take down.
 
I have one of those Redverz tents that advertise a bike inside. I didn't get it for the bike parking but for comfort and ability to stand up etc.

I left UK with the thing then realised in Turkey it simply took too long to set up. Someone said 10 mins. I just put it up the other week and I'm sure it was around 30, by the time I got it all together and all guys tied (it was very windy). Putting it down at leisurely pace took around 30 mins. This means over an hour a day wasted on a tent. I sent it back to UK and used cheap hotels instead.

Also to note, the weight of 5kg and its size. Doesn't sound like a lot but this weight meant I felt I was riding a unicycle with an sumo wrestler on my shoulders, slightly top heavy.

I will use it if I'm staying 2-3 days somewhere but for one night, nope too time wasting and pain in the arse. I have a small $17 tent which is fairly crap but takes no more than 5-10 mins, from unpacking to completion. I need a combination of the both, will keep looking or maybe stick with cheap hotels.

Then again, maybe I'm simply too slow at pitching tents :)

brian p 1 Oct 2013 16:35

[QUOTE=Pongo;438436]Had a good look at one of these last year, but discounted it eventually for one major reason, there's no such thing as flat ground- which is what you need for a tent like this to work properly. The Inner tent has a waterproof tub, but (IMHO)it's not very strong underneath and a footprint under groundsheet is essential if you want to protect the bottom from the effect of ground rubbing. As it will be used on a daily basis it's going to get well used. The outside area of the tent has no ground sheet, and however hard you try water will get under the edge and make things damp and uncomfortable.

a lot of people have said the same thing in relation to having flat ground,im sure myself in the scheme of things from previous trips,distances covered,forests to fields and open plains to riverbanks,in my experience i would surely find some sort of adequate ground to suit...decides i have never picked a spot to pitch that was not level or a good standard regardless what type or size the tent was,issues arrise with any tent on sloped or dented terrain,noting worse then rolling out of the bag at 3am:frown:the issue with these sort of tents i find is the flexibility and awkwardness during transportation (and uv protection)i was thinking the fact it had no groundsheet on the outer part was perfect because you could light your stove etc and cook in relative cover from the elements,have you decided what tent would suit you?a tent and tarp wouldnt be a bad idea as bertrand said.

Toyark 2 Oct 2013 16:12

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Originally Posted by brian p (Post 438474)
i must admit that looks the complete package,especially with the added bonus of uv protection but on a stormy night i would be thinking...things could get interesting with the tarp:confused1: have you used it much?

All the time Steven. Only once (due an oversight) I had badly positioned one peg and it flew off so the tarp had a flapping moment which I had to go out and fix. It has been in high winds and torrential rains- I check the weather and if in doubt, I lower the height of the tarp and side-peg-down-

I take the 'hit' of a bit of extra weight but I've sussed the kit that works for me. That front small pole has been consigned to history (in fact it has been converted as a secondary 'side stand' pole ) and replaced with a lighter one! so I use 3 poles all in all- 2 main stays and one if I need to prop up the front as per pic. All my poles fit in the case- It took awhile to find them! and replacing all tent pegs with Ti pins and 'V's.
I have smaller tarps but this one is best IMHO as covers the tent and/or offers a portable 'garage' when needing to carry out bike maintenance.
No problems with guy lines- I use weird tensioners- can't remember where I got these from but also a special knot now (as it weighs nothing :0) )

I have put up this tent in under 3 minutes from bag to 'up'- the tarp take a wee bit longer and practice!

You can also roll up the footprint (if you have one) in the front porch of the tent if you need to cook indoors ( usual H&S caveat- don't set fire to your tent or get asphyxiated!) or go under the tarp- depending on how you have set it up.
I am very happy with this kit- Not the cheapest/smallest/lightest etc but I'm getting to the point where I appreciate my comforts out there! I must be getting (aka got) old-er! :wheelchair:

MilesofSmiles 6 Oct 2013 21:36

[QUOTE=brian p;438478]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pongo (Post 438436)
Had a good look at one of these last year, but discounted it eventually for one major reason, there's no such thing as flat ground- which is what you need for a tent like this to work properly. The Inner tent has a waterproof tub, but (IMHO)it's not very strong underneath and a footprint under groundsheet is essential if you want to protect the bottom from the effect of ground rubbing. As it will be used on a daily basis it's going to get well used. The outside area of the tent has no ground sheet, and however hard you try water will get under the edge and make things damp and uncomfortable.

a lot of people have said the same thing in relation to having flat ground,im sure myself in the scheme of things from previous trips,distances covered,forests to fields and open plains to riverbanks,in my experience i would surely find some sort of adequate ground to suit...decides i have never picked a spot to pitch that was not level or a good standard regardless what type or size the tent was,issues arrise with any tent on sloped or dented terrain,noting worse then rolling out of the bag at 3am:frown:the issue with these sort of tents i find is the flexibility and awkwardness during transportation (and uv protection)i was thinking the fact it had no groundsheet on the outer part was perfect because you could light your stove etc and cook in relative cover from the elements,have you decided what tent would suit you?a tent and tarp wouldnt be a bad idea as bertrand said.

40 years of camping in tents with many tents under my belt, I can say that the Nomad tent (Redverz) which I purchased 1.5 years ago in green, is about the best tent I have ever owned. Ya it takes 10 to 15 minutes to assemble and take down but the comfort level far exceeds the few minutes extra everyone is complaining about. As far as torrential rains and flooding..Simple, dig your trench around the outside at the base of the tent and add an egress water trench. Works like a champ. Stays dry inside. Place a single burner in the garage on a 25F night and sit in 50F till sleep time. These tents have a footprint you can buy which clips in and only comes off when you want it to. The "Tub" as described above is just a good as any REI backpacker tent out there. Its a bit bulky on the back of your bike, but stuff it in a Ortlieb water proof backpack and wear it as a backpack and you'll have no problems.
Backpackers pack well over the weight of this tent and trudge for hours on foot. Wearing in on your back while riding is a walk in the park. It breathes very well and quite frankly the garage with a camp chair inside is a much more comfy way to get dressed, cook, work on bike, stay concealed from nosy neighbors, and more. The downfall is the guy ropes are trip hazards and you need a place that's relatively bush free to set it up. Does not need to be flat ground, but the ground must accept aluminum spikes. Placing it on a bedrock area will not work.

Small two man tents ($300-$400 range), I've owned a few. A small backpacking tent is light, free standing, nimble, fast to set up and take down but that's where the good stuff ends. They are prone to flooding as the Nomad is. Their tub is the same 4-5 inches high so no difference there. They are freaking a PITA to get in and out of when the rain top is attached and there is no room for any kind of comfort except lying down or sitting without a back rest. Try getting out of one when your mountain house meal is threatening to blow out your backside at 2AM. By the time you lie down to get dressed, then crawl and struggle with the internal zipper then the external rain fly zipper, you soiled yourself. Now try that for 3 days while you are disabled from a food bacteria or virus. Try to get in/out with a stiff back from a 350 mile day. Try getting all your riding gear on inside because it's foul outside. Try cooking in one..Ultra fire hazard. And when you think you got it all figured out, leave camp for a ride and the wind picks up and you forgot to guy rope the tent to the ground...Off goes your small tent into the bushes 200 yards down the meadow.

The bottom line with me is: if I'm going on a Big bike adventure 990 or 1200GS, say to Alaska, or 5 days around the Sierra Nevada mountains along comes the Nomad. If I'm on the 690R doing desert single track runs and technical off road riding to remote patches of dirt to camp in, in the middle of nowhere, the small tent is used. You won't be sorry you bought a Nomad. They also come in very handy when your doing a Auto vacation with the wife who wants her privacy.

markharf 6 Oct 2013 22:04

Funny. It's almost like discussing religion or politics.

I camp mainly in places where trenching is forbidden or at minimum morally reprehensible. That's what we did back in the dark ages, but no longer. Of course, in campgrounds or other previously-despoiled areas anything goes.

I backpack, and I would never carry a 14 lb. tent on my back. Nor would anyone else I've ever met in the backcountry. Even large, 4 season mountaineering tents don't weigh that much.

Which is my next point: if what you desire is headroom, floor space and weather-tightness, and you don't mind carrying a bulky, 14 lbs. monstrosity with you, there are lots of options out there. For example, I've got a 6-person Sierra Designs at less than that weight--I lived in it all one summer many years ago, with shelving, a stuffed chair, a full-sized bed, books, and a stereo system. There are freestanding models, and some which are designed as mountain basecamps or mess tents--resoundingly tough, with pricetags to match.

What the Redverz appears to have that other floored tents don't is a place to potentially park your bike. Count me as one of those who does not want to share a tent with my smelly, filthy, blowdown-prone motorbike. However, if that's a priority by all means have at it.

I'm not at all put off by the need for guy lines and stakes. All tents require guys and stakes in questionable weather or they blow down, blow away, or flap loudly all night and get your gear wet when the rain comes sideways. On rock or other impenetrable ground, piles of stones, logs, trees, or locally-available motorbikes serve instead of stakes.

Mark

Tenere Traveller Mike 9 Oct 2013 19:10

I to have gone for the same tent, very much the same thinking as Brian. I intend to travel slowly so not planning on putting it up every night, more stay in one place for a few days or more and explore the area.
Have put it up a few times and managed in 10 minutes. I use the bag as a stuff sack which makes it quick to pack up then in a roll bag with the poles and pegs just thrown in with the rest of the camping gear.
Finally get going in a couple of weeks so will see how it performs in anger....

brian p 10 Oct 2013 18:38

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Originally Posted by Tenere Traveller Mike (Post 439529)
I to have gone for the same tent, very much the same thinking as Brian. I intend to travel slowly so not planning on putting it up every night, more stay in one place for a few days or more and explore the area.
Have put it up a few times and managed in 10 minutes. I use the bag as a stuff sack which makes it quick to pack up then in a roll bag with the poles and pegs just thrown in with the rest of the camping gear.
Finally get going in a couple of weeks so will see how it performs in anger....

yes i found a lot of people making different points on this tent,as the old saying goes different strokes for different folks but i think you can agree with the usability of this tent,i think its worth the sacrifice for that 10-15mins of pitching.
i must admit its the uv protection that im worried about,i will be on the road for a year or more so it will be interesting how durable the outer skin will react,please let us know how it copes for the first few weeks and best of luck. :thumbup1:

brian p 10 Oct 2013 18:55

[QUOTE=MilesofSmiles;439142][QUOTE=brian p;438478]

yes my thoughts exactly,i have noticed a lot of people saying that they wouldnt be keen on parking their oily smelly bike in the tent,in my view i wasnt really buying the tent on that basis,i think its the multiple choice of having the comfort to stand up when youve been sitting on the bike for 8hours,not crawl around the floor.Having the choice to cook in the shelter of a storm not out in the woods with the misery dripping on your face.Having the choice to bring a 1.5kilo foldable chair which i do and sitting inside and writing your memoirs or reading a book whilst having your fried venison as the rain dances off the roof.Having the choice to change your clothes inside rather then standing outside while the rain pours down or lying on your back trying to get your YMCA leathers off,and finally,yes having the choice to hide your bike while you sleep all under one roof,we all know the importance of not being seen in certain isolated areas,a shiny chromed up yellow bike certainly sticks out a mile away,even at night through the cover of trees,its all about peace of mind,security and comfort,but thats just me:mchappy:

xfiltrate 10 Oct 2013 21:21

Sierra Design Lighting XT4 person tent
 
Editors' Choice Awards 2009: Sierra Designs Lightning XT4 Tent - YouTube

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It is the Sierra Design ULTRA LIGHT Lighting XT4 person tent.

Weight for the ultra light model is a little over 3 kilos - cost is minimal compared to comparable tents. Poles are ultra light and ultra strong and all fittings and zippers excellent. We camp without the fly whenever possible and really enjoy the night sky. This tent is so light it can be easily backpacked by two or even one person with gear without strain.

We recommend the Sierra Design Lighting XT4 person tent.... backpackers tent.... actually can sleep 6 .... and we have weathered torrential downpours.... extremely high winds, cold and hot. I personally enjoy the fact that the fly is also designed to be rolled up on the sides providing excellent air flow and vistas. Super easy to set up and easier to pack.

Winner of 2009 Backpackers Editors Choice award

Packs very small yet accommodates two large people and all their overland gear inside, or four people with gear outside the two doors
zipped under fly.

Perfect, no complaints after extensive use in Europe, Balkans, Turkey and most South American countries. It looks great too.

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MilesofSmiles 12 Oct 2013 23:53

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Originally Posted by markharf (Post 439149)
Funny. It's almost like discussing religion or politics.

I camp mainly in places where trenching is forbidden or at minimum morally reprehensible. That's what we did back in the dark ages, but no longer.
Mark

So Mark, what do you do to keep the pools of water out from under your tent? I think everyone here needs to know your secrete, since trenching is the only way to achieve the goal that I know of.

MilesofSmiles 12 Oct 2013 23:56

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Originally Posted by brian p (Post 439694)
yes i found a lot of people making different points on this tent,as the old saying goes different strokes for different folks but i think you can agree with the usability of this tent,i think its worth the sacrifice for that 10-15mins of pitching.
i must admit its the uv protection that im worried about,i will be on the road for a year or more so it will be interesting how durable the outer skin will react,please let us know how it copes for the first few weeks and best of luck. :thumbup1:

Brian, just phone Redverz directly at 720-213-8287 and ask the developer directly. He would be the one to know because he is out in it all the time.

markharf 13 Oct 2013 01:57

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Originally Posted by MilesofSmiles (Post 439909)
So Mark, what do you do to keep the pools of water out from under your tent? I think everyone here needs to know your secrete, since trenching is the only way to achieve the goal that I know of.

I start out by using tents with fully waterproof floors. Simple, really. Can be expensive, but I'm in favor of using expensive tents if they work well and last for a long time. Mine do. Water under the tent doesn't mean I get wet.

I also pitch on high spots so that water drains away. Easy with a small tent, harder with large tents.

I try to pitch on well-drained soil, e.g., pure sand or gravel. Seldom available, but nice when you can get it.

I don't use a footprint (groundsheet), since I've never yet had a tent floor wear out. Footprints tend to collect water unless very carefully placed, and I'd much rather let any water drain away than collect a major lake on a waterproof groundsheet right under my tent. Occasional punctures are easily enough repaired with the kit I carry anyway for my thermarests.

None of the above represents any sort of secret knowledge or requires a high degree of skill. However, YMMV.

Mark
(tenting for 5.5 decades)

MilesofSmiles 18 Oct 2013 20:42

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Originally Posted by markharf (Post 439920)
I start out by using tents with fully waterproof floors. Simple, really. Can be expensive, but I'm in favor of using expensive tents if they work well and last for a long time. Mine do. Water under the tent doesn't mean I get wet.

I also pitch on high spots so that water drains away. Easy with a small tent, harder with large tents.

I try to pitch on well-drained soil, e.g., pure sand or gravel. Seldom available, but nice when you can get it.

I don't use a footprint (groundsheet), since I've never yet had a tent floor wear out. Footprints tend to collect water unless very carefully placed, and I'd much rather let any water drain away than collect a major lake on a waterproof groundsheet right under my tent. Occasional punctures are easily enough repaired with the kit I carry anyway for my thermarests.

None of the above represents any sort of secret knowledge or requires a high degree of skill. However, YMMV.

Mark
(tenting for 5.5 decades)

Every thing you mentioned is known. Every tent I have ever purchased has a water proof floor. I always use a footprint to keep punctures from damaging the waterproof flooring. High ground is nice when available. Porous soils are everywhere here in California, so not a problem.

I'm still going to trench...

markharf 18 Oct 2013 23:16

I'm not arguing with you or anyone else, and I'm not pretending that what I know is special in any way. In fact, I was merely answering your question.

I am, of course, pointing out that trenching is generally considered in very bad form away from established campsites. In wilderness and parks it's also often illegal. You probably know this.

And, I'm stating that I personally haven't found any use for trenching since the days of porous canvas and WWII army surplus. Which is why I then added "YMMV," as it apparently does.

Mark

Smokechaser 21 Oct 2013 01:37

It is a nice looking tent, I have a Big Agnus(Copper Spur UL 2) with double doors ( 3 pounds) I carry a 9' X 10' tarp and can use my bike for the tent poles to extend the tarp out from the tent, it makes for a handy place to cook in the rain when there aren't bears in the area. I use the tarp away from the tent when I am in bear country and need shelter while cooking. It has been thru some huge monsoons and done me right! Have fun out there!
Smoke

xfiltrate 3 Nov 2013 00:05

Sierra Design Lightning XT4 person tent
 
Overland fitness 2 - YouTube

Here is our Sierra Design Lightning XT4 person tent we have used on
three continents and 4 seasons. And, tips on how to exit...... + how to start your day.

Very inexpensive, but accommodates 2 + all gear (soft luggage for 2 bikes, panniers, tail and tank bags helmets, jackets, boots, etc) with ease, no leaks, and able to withstand severe winds.

The best part is that it is light enough to backpack, and especially if backpacked by 2 people. Amazing!

Eat, Drink and Stay Dry
xfiltrate

Corsica101 10 Nov 2013 23:03

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Originally Posted by *Touring Ted* (Post 438398)
Each to their own, but I've NEVER understood why anyone would want to park their bike in their tent with them.

I mean, they're pretty waterproof. None of mine have dissolved yet...

Petrol fumes, dog shit on your tyres, dripping chain oiler etc etc etc...

Save the space for the ladeeeezzzz :innocent:

Lol...good thinking! Just get a rain cover for your steel lady and keep the real lady nice and warm inside:))

Wotnext 22 Jan 2014 20:17

Redverz tent
 
I have just spent a month camping with this tent as a tester for a trip around the Americas. To my mind the size of the tent not its weight is the biggest factor that may be a drawbck when on a motorcycle. On the trip I had driving wind and/or rain on a number of occasions and not a drop inside the sleeping section and very little seepage in the covered area . The "parking section" and vestibule is terrific for cooking, drying out gear or just sitting watching the "world go by". I had a small freezer, LArge food container, two chairs and a small table in there and still could easily access the sleeping section. The 3 "front door" options came in handy for ventilation, changing views and easy access from any point.

Concerns:
1. The floor of tent is made of very light material (although still 10 000 water column), even the clip on ground cover is made of the same light ripstop nylon. I am not sure how this will stand up to months of use.
2. Triangular aluminium pegs not very robust and prone to pull out in softer soil when wet and windy.
3. Heavy condensation every morning in the vestibule area made drying out a little longer.
4. Tie back straps have elasticised toggle connectors OUTSIDE the tent. I am sure these will not last. It would be easy to have put them on the inside to afford better protection for the elastised material.
5. Not stand alone , but this is not really a big problem for me.

Really like:
1. It is a bit of a PITA but you can pack up the sleeping section by itself under cover of the fly if the weather is really wet. Keeps things pretty dry, the fly can be then wrapped wet without messing up the sleeping section. Same goes for loading the bike under cover.
2. For a tent this size its really light weight (6.5kg).
3. Height and space for extended camping time and/or drying off gear, is priceless.
4. Surprisingly tolerant of wind for such a large "tunnel tent", especially if you place the sleeping section facing into the wind.
5. The tent can be put up by myself and taken down in 15 minutes each way in good weather.

oldbmw 22 Jan 2014 23:34

I have two free standing tents, a two man for when I go alone and a 4 man for when my wife accompanies me. I would love to have a vestibule where I could sit and/or cook. But for me a tent has to be able to free stand. By that I mean able to stand up without the use of pegs.

I admit both of them really need to have one anchor pit at the front to be completely watertight in a storm. I carry a longish piece of cord for that and have on occasion used the bikes centre stand foot.

FrankTheBacker 10 Mar 2014 15:47

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Originally Posted by stuxtttr (Post 438172)
Great tent, I think having the ability to hide the bike away or work on the bike in a torrential downpour is a big advantage.

As long as the tent is not too big or heavy.

Like you say for a year plus of travel 3 mins extra per pitch is a little to pay for space and comfort.

I saw a tepee style tent that could sleep 3 in a netted section still had room for four more and weighed in at 4.5 kgs, not sure if you could fit a bike in there but it seemed like a good price at around £200:scooter:

I know the TeePee you are talking about, but you can't fit a bike inside that. The door of the tent is too small to put in the motorcycle, plus the teepee has a vertical pole standing in the middle, you don't want to risk knocking it out by trying to force the bike inside the tent.
Let me grab this opportunity to use this smiley: :scooter:

brian p 11 Jul 2014 15:41

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hilleburg nallo 2gt for people with money :)

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omega 250

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another big ass heavy tent like the redvertz,the mototent

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brian p 11 Jul 2014 15:50

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or this one,i was considering buying myself the coleman tasman 2

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Gipper 11 Jul 2014 17:08

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Originally Posted by brian p (Post 472825)
hilleburg nallo 2gt for people with money :)

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Yes, its expensive, but its also easily the best tent Ive ever owned. I see the price has gone up even more since we bought ours (now $785) good as it is, there's lots of other good tents around these days.

Here's ours at 14,885ft/4,537m in Peru, a fairly windy night followed by the temperature dropping to -5 C with the DR and tent covered with thick ice, we were fine inside, but with some condensation build up. The inner is not mesh, so its not a good hot weather tent as is, though you can split the inner door and have that as mesh and its got plenty of vents to get air through, this is a 4 season bombproof shelter. If you are using it in hot weather you can buy a full mesh inner for it.

The vestibule area is great, we can fit in all our riding gear, panniers etc with room to spare. The sleeping area is 'cosy' for 2 but we are not tall/big. Weight including full footprint is 3.2kg (2.8kg without)


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brian p 11 Jul 2014 20:32

mmm i read a few reports on dodgy seams from factory,couple of people not getting the best customer service either but i think the popularity of this tent can be well identified with most of the loyal hilleburg mob on the road,

would love to cough up the money,especially in terms of room to weight ratio.
a lot of tent for under 3 kilos

Gipper 11 Jul 2014 21:09

Hi Brian,

Yes I read the reports on here re poor seams etc, some manufacturing errors I can forgive - everyone makes mistakes- but poor customer service after faults have been found with tents this expensive really is unacceptable.

The only other issue with the Nallo 2GT it is that its not free standing, an MSR Mutha Hubba has more internal room (3 persons) and is free standing and at 3.4 kgs not that much more weight, but has no external vestibule room, which I really like on the Hilleberg. Having a free standing tent is a big bonus in Central America, where I often would put the tent up on a covered veranda or under a palapas for bug protection, but the fly was not needed

Ive currently got MSR's Mutha Hubba and Hubba Hubba, a VauDe 4 Season, TNF Pebble, several small Coleman and a few other tents knocking around and Ive got through plenty more over the years so Ive tried quite a few, the Hubba Hubba is probably the tent that gets the most use, its light enough to backpack, has (just) enough room for 2, has 2 doors and 2 reasonable sized vestibules, weighs under 2kgs and solo its more than enough room for me. You can buy a 'gear shed' for it to increase storage space (haven't tried it) - a tarp, as Bertrand says can be more versatile though.


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