Absolutely.... As with most environmental issues.

However. Unless I design some kind of perpetual motion engine, I don't really have too much choice with what I fill my bike up with. I could walk or pedal I suppose.

Camping gaz is just adding to our 'Throw away' society. It's un-necessary. Convenient yes.. Lazy yes..

Half way up Everest, no ones going to give you grief for using gas cannisters. Making a stockpile of non-recyclable junk at a weekend in Wales isn't really helping.

The same way people serve you Tea in Polystyrene cups when they could just give you a mug or insist on supplying thousands of individually wrapped sauce sachets when a bottle of ketchup would do just fine.

It's our brain dead society in action. F**king up our planet for ourselves.

It winds me up. Especially when you visit some of the most beautiful places the world and they're covered in rubbish.

I'm noooo wayy perfect or immune to it. But as travellers and lovers of the world/environment, we can all make a bit of a difference where we are able to. Cant we ???

Rant over :scooter:

I hear what you're saying Ted. I have the butane canister equipped stove, along with a multifuel stove and the old Bleuet Gaz stove. I use the canisters on my motorcycle and bicycle trips even though I literally feel bad each time I throw one away. Which sometimes means lugging it with me most of the day until I can find a proper disposal site. The main reason they're so popular is that they're clean and convenient. I've sloshed Kerosene all over my bicycle panniers in Belize and White Gas leaked from the bottle on a motorcycle trip on rough roads. I wish they would make the Butane canisters refillable just like our propane tank out back.

...Michelle
www.scrabblebiker.com

I think the majority of blame lies with the companies who make them. With a little expense, they could make them easily recyclable. Should be law.

Like i wrote yesterday in a thread - who is wake up from the dead:

I hasnt decide it yet, but i dont see much alternatives to this one:

Campingaz Kocher Camping Duo(TM) Grill CV

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The small gas bottles are easy to store between the luckage. The used one can i transport in the roofbox, till i`m at home.

I would prefere a 5kg bottle or two of them - but they are to big and bulky for transport them inside - and also not legal (at least in europe).

But maybe you know a setup who would fit my needs better?

Surfy

The eco fuel
 

Aspen Allkylate petrol tried this the other day in my old Coleman peak stove burns really clean even before it's warmed up. The tec details say it has no harmful benzene or aromatic hydrocarbons and works out at £2.2 per ltr cheep compared to Coleman fuel

I used white spirit in my optimus 8r the first couple of year when i move to switzerland , i thought i was the same as white gas doh . It burns very well and very clean. Now i used the fuel from my bike, works fine as well , but it make a lot of black sod.

:chef: Optimus Nova stove but I prefer to use this one below using whatever I can find, from camel dung to nice Swiss wood!
Wood gasification stoves- hard to beat free fuel
Only downside is cleaning the pot! but Astonish oven and cookware cleaning paste does a good job.

(Ted's going to Like this!)

I actually made one of these using some large aluminium tins. Interference fitted inside each other and holes drilled in all the right places.

They do work but they require constant feeding with very small twigs. Turn your back for 2 mins and they go out.

Never tried burning anything but twigs though.. Ain't got any dry poo lying round (these days ;) )

starts with twigs but progresses to 2inch thick chunks! and it does not go out easily!

Your's is a lot bigger than mine...

The stove that is :innocent:

My Korean 8R copy is happy on petrol, panel wipe or Coleman fuel. It will burn white spirit at a push. You can also let off a green heat gel sachet in the lid in an emergency. It won't burn Gun Wash which is a type of extra volatile white spirit. The jet is obviously wrong for this.

Andy

Alcohol or Meths
 

I used to use a Colman Multifuel and it was great and lasted a long time. But I was in Arabia and could not get a replacement generator (that dohicky that pre-heats the fuel). So I went back to basics with my old army stove which burns alcohol, I have two. I got a honey stove and an espirit holder, so can cook full meals and they pack down very small. I even made a burner out of a Axe deoderant can. Not as good but it worked.

I also have a small table top BBQ I got in Salta, Argentina. Great for charcoal/wood fires when I want, to save on alcohol and can find the fuel, it straps onto my top box perfikt.
I can use the BBQ as a stand /windbreak for the alcohol burners and I also have a plate for the BBQ to act as a food warmer.
The honey stove (S/S) will also burn just about anything including plastic but that is a bit hard to clean off.
I know this sounds a bit much, but I live on the road for anything up to a year when travelling.

I once heated.....ok.... erm "warmed" a tin mug of coffee on my exhaust, so that's another vote for unleaded!

Hey seriously there's a lot of spare heat floating around on the bike must be able to use it somehow to heat food. Pastie in a tin can wired to the front pipes.

:offtopic: back on topic - Coleman stove with unleaded every time.

There was a chap whose name I can't remember did the German Winter rallies with a heat exchanger built into the outfits exhaust. Copper pipe took heat from the engine coolant round an insulated pot mounted on the sidecar chassis. It worked like a slow cooker, so one blast of the stove at breakfast time to do breakfast and start the crock pot contents gave him two hot meals a day. :offtopic:

Probabaly mentioned above but I've been playing with alternatives on my Optimus:

Panel wipe is a painters degreaser that costs about 1/10th of Coleman Fuel, has no nasties in it and actually seems easier to get. It burns well. :thumbup1:

Gun Wash is a general industrial degreaser. This has very low heat generating capabilities and judging by the steam may even contain water :thumbdown: which is unfortunate as my employers buy gallons and view it as a "consumable" :innocent:

Andy

Does anybody have the Coleman Pulstar multifuel?
It looks like the lightest of the coleman multifuel stoves.
cheers and happy new yearbier