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Allo every body.
Nu here so best say allo. "Allo"! I'm currently in the process of planning my next travels. It's not goin to be for a year or so as i have to get another vehicle. I've spent alot of time on the road(about 10yrs) up untill about three yrs ago when my travels stopped here in Ireland. Now he feet are itching and the wheels need to role! I only travelled round europe then into north africa during my last stint. This time i intend on taking in the rest of the world however long that might take!:funmeteryes: As all of my land travel was done in a merc 609 we were a bit restricted to how far off the beaten track we could venture. The limits were only found by getting stuck numorous times:oops2: But thats all part of the fun. Right? So my intention this time is to have a vehicle which will open up those limitations. ~As i have no previouse experience with 4x4 trucks i thought the best place to ask was here as i have seen a few nice vehicles and reports on here while floating around the site this last year. I've been looking at some of the different manufacturers out there. It seems Man and merc bases are the most popular. I suppose i'm lookin for any advice, experiences or pitfalls people may have or know of with these different makes! Or others.. The only criteria i have at the moment is 4x4, length around 7mtrs(as i intend on making this truck my home for as long as a piece of string may be! and don't wish to be too cramped), capability to cary bike but that's neither here nor there. I'm pretty handy at the old mechanics and fabrication but no expert. So i'm toying with the idea of buying one and modifying it to my specs or starting from scratch, chassis, box etc. I don't have an endless or massive budget either so i'm not going for all bells and whistles. Well there ya go. Any feedback much apreciated. |
Whilst some people have some good knowledge on this forum, try looking at this US based one as it has dedicated sections on different types of truck. A number of the users seem to go both forums.
Expedition Portal Forums - Powered by vBulletin In terms of options on prices / second hand options try below. Its like a german autotrader but has dedicated section on campers - there is an English option on the top right of the home page and if you search under certain brands such as selecting MAN on the drop down box, you get a load of trucks. Also whilst Unimog is now in the drop down list, you can leave the drop down list blank and type it and it will bring up options. mobile.de - Deutschlands größter Fahrzeugmarkt. Suchen, kaufen oder verkaufen Sie Neu- und Gebrauchtwagen Also try The UK Unimog owner's meeting place., good site on building a unimog camper and subsequently Stephen now has quite a flash MAN based camper. Load of good links from there. |
Good Question
I too have been toying with the idea (will be a long time saving) of getting a truck but have found it hard to find info from people who have "been there, done that".
Here are just a few with possibilities: Overlanders Handbook ~ VW MAN 8136 FAE (MAN) Welcome (Bedford MJ) Your First Choice for Russian Trucks and Military Vehicles - UK Russian Trucks (GAZ 66) It's Huge! (UNIMOG) Your First Choice for Russian Trucks and Military Vehicles - UK Russian Trucks (ZIL 131) Hackney BEV (Mitsubishi Canter 4x4) Camper build.... - ::. UKGS'er.com .:: (DAF 4x4) Witham Specialist Vehicles (RB 44) Welcome to MOD Sales Online - Military Vehicles for Sale - #16928 - Ford Iveco 95E 15 Cargo 4x4 (Ford/Iveco) Anyone fancy adding to the list? |
The truck's that I have seen in Holland and Germany are,
Mercedes, the old one's with the round nose, i beleve 911 Unimog, all models from 1975 - 1990 MAN, small 4x4 1980-new DAF, most old army trucks 4x4 ya4440 (my own) Magirus Deutz, all air cooled Deutz engines 6line or v8 If you have a lot of money th new trucks that I have seen are, MAN, 4x4 or 6x6 DAF, 4X4 Mercedes Actros, 4X4 or 6X6 regards, Henk Jan |
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hi we are kitting out a MB 911 right now to go travelling down africa, great truck easy bush mechanics, parts are still available in most of the world, lots of overlanders are using these right now
lenth 7.2m height 2.8m width 2.45m comes with full electrics in the back 12v,24v,220v and are for sale on mobile.de ex radio wagon for the german border guard police and most have onlygot about 20,000 miles on the clock photo attached:thumbup1: |
One of the important things to get right is spare parts support. Its an absolute pain in the derriere to be in Upper Kumbuckta West to find that they dont have any support for your vehicle on that continent and you have to get friends to air courier the $10 seal out to you for $500!!
Merc are by light years better than anyone else - they support all vehicles they have built irrelevant of country of purchase and where it happens to be. Their parts are not likely to cripple your wallet either. GMC and Ford are hopeless and only support vehicles sold in that country. The likes of Kenworth, Mack are not well supported outside the Middle east, North America and Australia. Russian and other Eastern European trucks ........great offroad, designed like bulldozers, parts are supplied by the second truck that you bought and have left in a field in Ireland for friends to take off and send to you. Some countries will look at them and then close the border crossing. Mitsubishi and Isuzu are good, but charge like wounded bulls for parts anyway, they are well supported throughout Australasia, Middle East, Asia and Africa, I'm not sure about elsewhere. Some Euro makers are good on the major international trucking routes into Africa and the Middle/Far East, others let you hang out to dry. Do your homework with ex military vehicles, they may look like bargains with only 25,000kms and built in 1975, have an oil test done on the engine and gearbox to see how much bearing metal is floating around. Clocking up a 1000 kms a year is not good for a diesel engine. Buy a pre electronic engine. I know that electronic injection is in its third decade, BUT a cracked circuit board or sometimes even a bad battery requires dealer support with the appropriate computers to reset/tune the engine. Bear in mind that fuel prices are sky rocketing worldwide, and a truck drinks fuel in comparison to the lighter 3.5 tonne van type 4x4s. I'd say that your running costs would double with a 7 to 10 tonne 4x4 truck, over a 3.5 tonne 4x4 van. Ferry crossings cost more. Tyres cost more.......... |
I spent an awful long time considering which truck to buy. My budget was less than 10 grand and so this put me in the market for ex mil trucks that whilst having low mileage, would be more than 20 years old.
I wanted a chassis length to mount a box on of about 5.5m so this gives a truck of about 7m+, similar to your requirements. I was after a robust truck that whilst capable off-road, was not designed primarily for extreme off-road use. I love machines like unimogs and tatra’s but the offroad ability makes them uncomfortable, loud and slow on-road and I was not willing to sacrifice years of comfort for the few occasions where I might need the better ability. This left me the trucks like the magirus deutz’s, merc 911s, daf 45 4x4, Bedford MJ, etc The eventual decision I came to was that for my purposes the newer the truck the better. Bedford and Magirus trucks are great, they are easy to fix and very reliable, but I worried that the fact that the companies no longer existed would mean that as the years went on, getting small parts would become more and more difficult. This cut the range of trucks I was looking at down so much that I was left with a small choice. After driving a couple of very old army vehicles like the merc 911 I decided there was no way I could put up with a truck like that for long distance travelling. Some people’s priorities are different to mine but I would curse my choice every time I had to climb into the cab if I brought such a slow, noisy, inefficient old vehicle. I eventually decided that until I have enough money to buy a newish Man, Volvo or Mercedes type 4x4 for £50k+ I would make do with a robust 2 wheel drive and plan my travels accordingly. I ended up getting an 18 tonne Mercedes atego which was less than 5 years old. I figured the reliability, efficiency, comfort, parts network and general peace of mind which comes with owning such a new vehicle outweighed the benefit I would gain from having 4x4, and whilst the off-road ability is limited, plenty of operators are using such trucks across the world for freight transport and so they are certainly robust enough to withstand miles of poorly constructed roads. For what it’s worth I think that the Magirus Deutz 110-16 trucks offer amazing value for money and have a very decent sized wheel-base and chassis length compared to other 4x4 trucks. Similarly the Bedford TM trucks are great value. If you can make do with the reduced chassis length the Man Kat 4x4 trucks are extremely capable off-road and use the reliable Deutz engine. |
I recognise that truck!
Richardq, that's my DAF 4x4 you've linked to previously... I bought it half-finished from Jon when his situation changed. I think I totally lucked out finding it when I did.
Preparations are almost finished. Songololo passed her MOT with flying colours just a few days ago, and came in at about 8 1/2 tonnes (about 1 tonne more than I expected!!) She is a 1996 ex-military Leyland DAF GS (general service) 4x4 truck, with a Cummins B series 5.9l turbo diesel engine. We are due to leave for 18 months in Africa in 4 weeks time. For spares I'm taking: 2nd hand, scavenged from another truck: 1 x propshaft 1 x starter motor 1 x alternator New, readily available from truck spares merchants: 20l 15W40 engine oil 20l 80W90 gear oil 5l DEXRON IID power steering fluid 5kg lithium bearing grease 2 x belts 1 x air filter 1 x oil filter 1 x fuel filter 2 sets bearings 1 set hoses several bulbs, fuses etc I figure that since it's got a Cummins engine most parts will be readily available in Africa, and if anything more serious happens, then it's going to involve getting parts from the UK anyway. More details are here: www.overafrica.org, and when I find more time, will update the truck preparation pages. Cheers Steve |
Allo all.
many thanks to all your reply's. Sorry haven't replied sooner but been busy as you like! been lookin around a bit and thinking of leaning towards a late ninetess 4x4 MAN for the bass vehicle. Not sure as to which model etc yet. Anyway only a flyin one to show my gratitude for your contributions. Any others more than :welcome:.. |
Bedford
Hi Funky, I have a Bedford MJ for sale, here's a link. Bedford MJ + Arrows trailer - HMVF - Historic Military Vehicles Forum
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A very nice mj especially for the asking price. I think i'm looking for something slightly longer as I wouldn't be surprised if the trip takes................?? That long.(6yrs+) So i'm lookin to be quite kitted up when i finaly off.. Something else i'm trying to look in to. Mobile internet connection. Any one have any experience or knowledge with mobile internet on the road? Thanks for all you reply's. Any other imput more than welcome. FF.. |
After much searching over the last couple of nights
I think i've narrowed my vehicle choice down to a Man l2000/M2000 vehicle. Or the equivelant in merc maybe.:thumbup1: |
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But we can all change our minds eh!:innocent: So been looking round a bit more.. Considering costs etc... And now i'm coming up with possibly one of the following. Merc 1017cargo, Bedford mj/tm..... As i think i could buy and fit one of these out for the same price as just getting the base truck if i were to go for man l/m2000...... Also my time schedule has changed! Wasn't expecting it but due to a change in personal circumstances. This time next year i am hoping to have set off:clap::clap::clap: If not by then by chrimbo next at the latest.. So the pressures on as time fly's bye!! January should see me buying the base for my vehicle or possibly another already converted. Totally depends on whats available at the time etc. So if anyone's got any thing for sale around that time please drop a line here... Well thats it . Good luck all. |
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Hi FF,
Are you going to keep a blog or anything. Would be very interested in your progress. Although not until we have driven to Oz, we are thinking of maybe doing the same thing, so would be most interested in how it goes. Cheers |
Do consider the Russian ex-army trucks which can be had with 0 km's from about £2.5k. They are simple to fix (if they ever do break which they don't) and parts are available by UPS/DHL etc. No Roads No Problem really is true for these trucks!
GAZ66 Zil 131 URAL 375 (petrol) URAL 4320 (diesel) TATRA is the best off road truck of all but pricey and probably too good for RTW! They can tow a trailer in snow up a 100% incline... Also from CZ is the PRAGA which are as simple a truck as you can get but still with superb off road and cold weather ability, comes with portal axles, 4x4 & 6x6, air cooled engine and some even have a little wood/coal burning stove in the back! Price new? ...from £2k! I'd advise anyone interested to visit our friendly forum where all your questions can be answered: ZIL131.com |
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If it's a box construction from scatch the blog will be how to wing it..:mchappy:LoL Looks like i'll be buying the truck while in ireland(from where evre then imporing it here as camper) but fitting it out at my parents in france. As they have the space(big double barn). And could do with some help with they're place. So killing two birds with one stone. I have the capability to do it here. But having already left to fit the truck out somehwere else will give an immediate sense of fulfillment on the travel aspect. Plus i will have left all job related stuff behind and only have truck(and parents place) to focus on. "Do consider the Russian ex-army trucks which can be had with 0 km's from about £2.5k. They are simple to fix (if they ever do break which they don't) and parts are available by UPS/DHL etc. No Roads No Problem really is true for these trucks! GAZ66 Zil 131 URAL 375 (petrol) URAL 4320 (diesel) TATRA is the best off road truck of all but pricey and probably too good for RTW! They can tow a trailer in snow up a 100% incline... Also from CZ is the PRAGA which are as simple a truck as you can get but still with superb off road and cold weather ability, comes with portal axles, 4x4 & 6x6, air cooled engine and some even have a little wood/coal burning stove in the back! Price new? ...from £2k! I'd advise anyone interested to visit our friendly forum where all your questions can be answered: ZIL131.com 1 Day Ago 11:05" Thanks for the info. But i must be honest they look like hungry guzzlers due to age etc. And 40ish mph is a little too slow. That ten mph makes all the difference. I've found from past trips. But if i'm wrong on the fuel consumption etc. I will stand corrected. Do they still make the zil and 4320? Any one know they're fuel consumption? Thank for all imput.. FF |
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This is what i'm thinking of at the moment! Any one had any experience with these? It's a bit short about 6.8mtrs but i think i can pull off about 1mtr overhang. So end up with about 8mtrs in total and about 7mtrs in length living space. Also thiniking of incorporating a rising roof so i can palce the bed at the top of one end. this will counteract the short living area as i need to incorporate storage for tools generator, welder, etc(i plane to be tooled up for the trip so i can visit any volunteer groups on route for example and lend a helping hand). The raisning roof i'm on about is basically what you see on some of the unicat vehicles. I think i've sussed out the basic mechanics of it and when i get my truck i will know the exact requirements etc. So i'm going to find an engineer to do the design of the mechanism etc and then fabricate it myself as much as possible but out source any bits that are beyond my capability.:smartass: |
The roof idea i wish to utilize inmore detail.
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http://www.unicat.net/img/VXL16HD.4-560.jpg But no where near as shiny!!! |
It may be a bit small but have you considered one of these?
Welcome to MOD Sales Online - Military Vehicles for Sale - #17724 - Bucher Duro 6x6 Mowag LHD |
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I did look at these and they are a bit small for the lengh of time i intend to be in the thing! So after a sleepless night(so i googled the internet for possible other options. And i may have changed my direction of thnking again. From the Bedford Tm to the leyland daf y440(i THINK)!! the reason for this is the overall weight diff of the two. The daff coming in alot lighter. The fact that bedford is no longer making trucks but daf is making me concerned about getting parts if needed! Heres the stat of the two. Description Bedford TM 4x4 Drop Side Cargo QTY50 in stock DetailsBedford TM trucks are currently in service with the British Forces. The vehicle is 16,000kg gvw with 205 hp. We are able to offer this vehicle with flatbed or dropside body with new canopy fitted. They have a payload of 8,000kg and the inclusion of power steering and tilt cab make this vehicle very easy to maintain. A powerful 4x4 suited to conversion for drilling equipment and other such operations. EngineBedford 500 205hp water cooled direct injection turboGearbox BrakesSteeringPower steering LHD/RHD available Tyres15.50/80 X 20 radialMax Load8,000kg Electrics24 voltLength6.62m Height2.47mWidth2.99m G.V.W17,000kgHours / Mileage20,000 - 70,000km Date into SvcPriceGBP £15,000.00 per unit Description DAF YA4440 4x4 Drop Side Cargo Truck QTY300 in stock DetailsThe DAF YA4440 4x4 cargo truck used by NATO forces has proven to be a leader in the medium mobility field. Using all ZF transmission and steering components, coupled with the DAF engine, puts these well on par with the Mercedes 1017. We are able to supply vehicles with either flatbed cargo body or dropside with canopy. Immediately available large quantities ex NATO reserve stock in excellent condition. Options available: Water/fuel tanker Crane truck Tipper truck Service truck EngineDAF DT615 6 cylinder turbo diesel developing 153hpGearboxManual ZF type with 5 forward and 1 reverse gears 2 speed transfer box BrakesFull air system with exhaust retarderSteeringPower steering LHD available Tyres12.00 x 20Max Load5,000kg Electrics24 voltLength7.10m Height2.40mWidth2.80m G.V.W11,500kgHours / Mileage1,000 - 50,000kms Date into Svc1983-87PriceGBP £17,500.00 per unit |
Plus i've found the dafs available in europe for anything from €6000-€16000
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Hey fast ship.
Do you have any links to where i can find these trucks new? Looking a bit more into thewm they do look like possibilities to me. if you do could you post em. Found reviews and history of trucks but no sales to the prices you mention!! |
Hello Funkyfro,
I'm a proud owner of a DAF YA4440. I can say that they are very reliable (not from my own experience at this moment) as I know of 3 persons that have done round the world trips in them. They have had nothing broken exept for small things (heat shield for turbo). It is very important to have regular maintenance oil level checks, grease points, air lines, etc. As for spare parts. Gear box is ZF, found worldwide Drive shaft is elbe, found worldwide Engine is DAF 615DT, made millions of them Fuel system is Bosch, found worldwide The rest, I know of 3 dutch companies that exported these trucks primarily to africa by the thousands, and that is onely from a tiny country like holland. Cons (in my opinoin): On the original tires, slow!! 2400rpm loud!! is 80KPH On 395/85r20 2150rpm is 80KPH (accepteble) On 1400r20XZL (mine) 2000RPM is 80KPH (Almost quiet :-)) The downside of bigger tires is decrase in torque (depends on your needs) You have to put in better seats (preferrably air suspension) Not really great for off-roading because of only 153bhp (easilly upgraded to 175 but be carefull!) but with the right tyres manageble. no diff lock pros: Easy mechanics, straight forward fuel system, engine with hardly any electrics. full air brakes Parts can be found wordlwide Reliable (according to others with a lot of experience) cheap to buy On my tires (1400r20) volume is acceptable Hi-low gear stays under 12000Kg (for some parts of europe important with vignettes) etc. If you want to look at pictures go to: Met Daffie Op Reis The Africa Overland Network Independent Overland Travel across Africa, Asia and World Afrika overland met een YA4440 Home If you are in holland you are welcome to come and see mine regards, Henk Jan |
No diff lock even in the rear is in my opinion a serious problem. It is possible that a NoSpin (Detroit Locker) is made for your differential. They have made many for larger trucks as well as small vehicles.
What is the precise designation of your rear axle? Perhaps we can find a NoSpin for you. The NoSpin uses your existing differential carrier so that the "setup" of rear diff gears does not need to be changed. The Detroit Locker uses a whole new carrier; usually only needed for smaller vehicles. Charlie |
m37charlie,
I don't see the problem with no rear diff lock. At least for my purposes. If you are going to do some serious off roading (Dresden-Breslau for instance) than you will need it but I have been testing past winter in morocco and with normal piste driving it is not a problem at all. In deset sand no problem, engage 4wd, deflate tires maybe engage low gear range. I have not encountered deep mud yet but I can imagine that 4wd is more useful than diff lock. that said, i know of at least 7 other people that have gone round africa and beond without diff lock and have had no serious problems so I guess it depends on your personal needs regards, Henk Jan |
What, no Iveco?
Not sure if it's too late for the suggestion, but I didn't see Iveco's mentioned in this thread (or did I miss 'em?).
Artic Expedition: Iveco's specialist 4x4 fleet unveiled I'm not in Europe/UK so I don't know about the availability in your area, but from what I do know Iveco makes fantastic 4x4 trucks of various sizes... |
Have a look at my website
Bedford MJ or www.expedition-vehicle.co.uk might give you a few ideas - my Luton obviously limits me severely off-road but that is what I wanted. The MJ has the added built in roofrack if you look at Withams - haggle over the price though! Welcome to MOD Sales Online - Military Vehicles for Sale - #16929 - BEDFORD MJ SERIES (REFURBISHED) The Bedford in the pic is mine. The story goes that the MOD refurbed them at a cost of £10-12k and stored them in air-conditioned hanger. The forces are getting new MAN trucks and decided to sell the Bedfords. I paid £6400 inc. VAT. oh and this site Travelling 4x4.com-Extreme overland travel expedition across the world in an ex-military motorhome conversion 4WD truck. | Travelling 4x4 cheers MJ |
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I agree it's unnecessary for piste driving. In sand, as you begin to get stuck one wheel on an axle will spin and start digging. That's where a diff lock will save you even on flat terrain. On any kind of twisty terrain (creeping across rocky ground to get out of sight to camp, or a steep rocky uphill piste) it is a wondrous device. I detest getting stuck, even more so in a heavy vehicle and anything that helps prevent it is a good thing. I wasn't suggesting a diff lock in place of 4WD; a rear diff lock with a 4WD will keep you from getting stuck in many situations with no additional weight. Charlie |
M37charly,
Don't mean to offend you when saying I don't need a diff lock, but it's like I said, It depends on your needs. There is no doubt that a diff lock enhances terrain capabilaty of your vehicle it just depends how far you are willing and wanting to go. However 4-wd is not a centre diff lock (at least in my case)it is just an extra gear coupling the front weel drive axle with the drive train. Henk Jan |
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tmakinsREMOVETHIS-AT-REMOVETHIS-gmail-DOT-com if you need the address visually, see here: How to contact Travelling Tim I couldn't see the photos on that Forum - its members only. Can you email them, please. Regards, Tim Makins currently travelling in India, or I would have phoned you. Travelling Tim |
Hi everybody..
Thaksn for all your input. Finding it all very usefull. metdaffieopreis. Thakns for your reply. Really like the truck and enjoyed looking through your conversion pics. I saw the R.o machine for your water. What pressure does it require to work efficiently? But i have to admit since reading and learning there is no diflock!! Which i was previously unaware of. I am going to have to rethink again as it is one of my priorities. As i wish to limit my self in terrain as little as possible.... Mj. Great truck. Did you fix the new flat bed with a three pint system or rigidly? Do they have diff lock? What sort of mpg do you get out of yours? Any way many thanks again for all your input.. And any other input again more than welcome. Cheers. FF |
Hi FunkyFro,
Thanks for the comment on my conversion, it was a lot of work but I am pleased with the result I assume you mean my water filter by r.o.machine? I don't know he best pressure, but operating pressure maximum is 8.6bar and max flow rate is 15L/min (Wyckomar UV|Water Purification Products|UV Filters system uv250) As for the diff.lock, I have had no problems so far, but then again it all depends on your needs The best way for a flat bed mounting on your chassis is flexible. The chassis of a truck is (in most cases) disigned to flex. If it is made rigid the welds will break loose. There are a few systems to make it flex: 3-4 point system as found on DAF an Unimog, system with hinges at the back of the chassis and spring washers at different hights towards the front as found on MAN CAT, and maybe some others. The mos important is that the chassis usually is disigned to flex the most just behind the cab/engine en less towars the end. Hope this helps, Henk Jan |
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As for the chassis i asked as i am of the understanding that i would have to add my own mounts. Or are flatbeds already mounted in this fassion, so just needing a new bed made up to personal specs? Where the chasis flex's most i did not know. So thanks for that addition to my knowledge:clap:.. |
Most flatbeds can flex with the chassis. In case of my DAF YA4440 the flatbed is made so it won't flex (so they are able to mount containers, cannons, rockets, etc. at the back that won't flex) so they needed to make the mounting flexible with two "hinges", one at the front and one at the back and one ruber joint left and one right.
I suspect that all truck brands have a different solution. You can also make it yourself If you intend to build a expedition RV than I suggest you fix your flatbed flexible on the chassis otherwise your whole interior wit want to flex also and if not parked perfectly horizontally none of your doors will open or shut regards, Henk Jan |
thank you again met.
I now have an understanding of the flat beds! Learn something new every day:thumbup1:.. Well i've been searching about again and come across this truck.. The discription is translated from german wikipedia.!!!! The W50 was the truck of the GDR. He was in 60 different basic variants (Kipper, box, platform, military, firefighters, suitcases ...). [1] In addition to the standard cab (two-, two seats), there was an extended cab (two-, four-seat or two seats and two sleeping couches ) and two long-cab variants (four-, six or ten seats). The latter were often at fire and Bautruppfahrzeugen installed. There were still two different wheelbase available: the short at 3200 mm and 3700 mm long. Dieser kam jedoch nur bei den Ausführungen Speditionspritsche, Ladekran, Langfahrerhaus, Möbelkoffer sowie bei den Feuerwehrfahrzeugen zum Einsatz. This came only in the versions shipping platform, crane, long cab, suitcases and furniture in the fire engines are used. For military vehicles were at the cab on the passenger side of the skylight is installed, the center arranged the roof door of the Civil accounted cab. Driven was the W50 from a four-cylinder four-stroke diesel engine (name: 4VD 14.5 / 12-2 SRW) with 6560 cc and an output of 125 hp at 2300 rpm. Besides the Hinterachsantrieb connectable was also a four-wheel drive (W50 LA) are available. The permissible trailer load was 10 tons. Especially for the agricultural use, there was the W50 LA / Z (Z ugmaschine). This was a permissible trailer load of up to 16 tonnes, which had the advantage that, especially in the harvest season with two trailers could be. Specific applications in addition to the standard tires and low pressure balloon tire planned. With all-wheel drive was the W50 a high cross, which it very suitable for areas with poor transport links and routes loose terrain in mountains, jungle and desert made. ((His gradeability showed the W50 for a screening test in 1968 in Népstadion of Budapest, as the test driver with the vehicle on the stairs of the audience ranks without problems until the upper edge of the stadium hinauffuhr.) [1] In addition, the vehicle with few trained personnel and could be repaired. Exports were the W50 in more than 40 countries in 240 country-specific models. [1] In several Eastern European and African countries (such as for example in Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Nicaragua, Ethiopia, Angola and Mozambique), he was long after the end of its production to the street scene and is still heard today. Also in Iraq (especially in military variants during the Iran-Iraq war), he was in use. The export rate in the eighties to 70 percent. The remaining stocks (more than a thousand vehicles) were in the 1990-ies of an entrepreneur in Heiligengrabe still sold worldwide. Even Vietnam had filled its stocks of W50, which continues in daily use. The focus on exports has led to shortage of vehicles within the GDR, therefore, were originally used in military or not exported military vehicles later in the private economy. These vehicles could easily be adapted to the roof hatch on the passenger side, and were detected (after the fall) are often to be seen http://www.hano-mag-ich.com/Tagebuch.../Franken10.jpg http://i5.ebayimg.com/07/m/000/a0/d9/48ea_24.JPG As i've seen no reference to these vehicles yet on any other pages except german.. Does any one know anything about these?????? Reliability etc? From the exports when the IFA was in production it seems like a likely contender for RTW as parts should be every where.. I think..( parts seem readily available on the net anyhow) There seems to be a few available ranging from €4,000+. Any thoughts etc.. More than welcome... FF |
I have never seen them outside germany. I know of a website of two germans that have travveled with one (GeU: Gästebuch). I have entered the guestbook link because the site is in german. Maybe the can give you some moor insight in this truck.
Henk Jan |
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I travelled with 2 different couples from Germany who had them,I spent various times with them in India and drove from Dehli to Istanbul with one. They had no problems really. One had a seal break on the tyre inflating system. They have a great system for inflating and deflating the tyres from in the cab. I was in a very heavy 608 Mercedes van and one of them pulled me through deep sand in the desert. Dont know what they were like to drive but I heard no complaints. They also ran balloon tyres and had to rotate them every few thousand Kms Not sure of the exact Kms but no hastle really. The tyres were soft and as a result wore very quickly.
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Funkey Fro,
I am no expert on trucks and please take the advice of those who know but I would be concerned about purchasing an ex British Army DAF 8 Tonner. My experience of these within the Army is that many of them are utterly worn out due to current commitments and the new Mann replacements are long overdue. I am only referring to the 8 tonner, not the 4 ton version cheers 38 |
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Hi Graeme. Thanks for the input. These vehicles are lookin more and more appealing as time goes on. As it seems no news is good news! I've a feeling that if these were problematic vehicles then there would be more info out there saying stay away...... Sort of thing!!!!!!! "Funkey Fro, I am no expert on trucks and please take the advice of those who know but I would be concerned about purchasing an ex British Army DAF 8 Tonner. My experience of these within the Army is that many of them are utterly worn out due to current commitments and the new Mann replacements are long overdue. I am only referring to the 8 tonner, not the 4 ton version cheers" Thanks 38 for your input. Knowing these vehicles in service as you do makes the info well worthy. Nice one... So the IFA looks to be my current fav vehicle but this could all change!! So far the IFA ticks alot of box's i have. Price €4,000 up. Ticks the box of affordability(the examples i'm lookin at are around €8000. Good off road capability(from what i can gather) incl the all important(if you don't wish to be limited in the terrain) Diff lock. Gvm comes within the 7.5tonne limit(means i don't have to do my truck licence, but not a problem if necessary. Just easier not to have too! Many in germany already registered as camper, makes the whole importing it to Ireland a lot simpler. The tyre inflating system was something i was dreaming of having and they have:clap:..... From the research i've done on this truck. The exports were far and wide(More than 40 countries) Which bodes well for finding parts new and used(i think)... Like i said thanks all for your input. Anything else people may have to add. More than appreciated.. FF |
Allo all.
Still on a mission. Have no internet at home any more so visits less frequent!! Getting very close to having the disposable paper to buy my truck so will be starting a blog on it's conversion etc soon enough. FF |
Hi explorer.
Haven't been on here for ages!! Just had a look at your conversion. Looking great. I expect your alot further along now. Would be very interested to see the progress of your project. Due to a hectic year my project has been put on hold till the new year. But think i have found my base truck for the project. |
Hi folks
Anyone interested in buying an already converted truck, please check out here: Overland camper for sale Cheers Steve |
here is my bedford tm4x4
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here is my Bedford tm4x4 drop me a line if you want any information.
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Xplorer, here is a screen shot of a virus warning I got when clicking your link??
see attached Graeme |
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Well hello all.
Haven't been around for the last year and a half!!!!!:oops2: So bumping this thread as my plans are still unchanged if a little delayed!!! So any input etc that might help muggins here find his truck and make a bit of an informed decision would be much appreciated. My mind still seems to be leaning towards the IFA w50 as a base vehicle but there doesn't seem to be as many examples of these for sale as there was in 09!! If any one knows of any of these about or other marks that may be interested would love to here from you. Peace and road trips beer |
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I do have the Bedford she is now in South Africa where I am starting to make the 4 point mounting system for the camper. Does anyone have drawings for this as my design draughtsman is taking a bit long.
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