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Side Cars Whats It All About
Side car Info, The Mrs doesnt like the idea of going on the back of the bike for the trip. she wants to know about sidecars, I know nothing about them ! As anyone got any info on the subject? Is it practical off road I still want to go to Mongolia & I don't want a Ural) or on an overland trip. I know they are wierd to ride, so what about the leaning ones? What about the price?
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Sidecars have lots of advantages.
More loading capacity. Wider which makes dodging trucks more difficult. Lots more stability in mud and sand. More fun factor in some areas. Less fun factor in other areas. You can easily do it. No worries. It has been done before. You learn driving it really quickly. Just go slow when turning in the start. Much more like driving a car and you will learn quickly. The guy who sell it to you should give you an instruction. If you don't want and ural, then you either need to put one together yourself or find one that someone else made. Ural are the only complete sidecar rigs sold today. That said there are still a few sidecar producers in business. Watsonian squire in england is one. You simply buy a sidecar from them, probabaly with attatchments and stick it to a bike. Well if you are not a mechaincally inclined person you might want to find someone else to do it for you. You will find much more info on advrider.com in the "hacks" section |
Thanks Peter ! What about Trikes?
thanks Peter ! What about Trikes? Do these handle in the same way? Some say they are better than a sidecar. I dont mean those big VW powerd thigs either. The convertied smaller types.What ever they are called'
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I don't know alot about trikes, but I would think that a sidecar is more stabile. Sidecars look cooler as well (-:
hmmm, well. I would guess that it is also cheaper to outfit a bike with a sidecar than to make it into a trike. With the sidecar you also have the advantage that you can take them apart afterwards and sell them individually or keep one and sell the other. I think that a trike is a one way road for a bike... As far as I know pretty many people do it with sidecars and they are happy with them. If you chose a know reliable bike like an older BMW and put on an ural sidecar (very popular combo since the ural sidecar is very strong and cheap as well) then you have a really good balance between price, reliability and usability. Some people have "hacked" BMW 1150 gs adventures. KLRs are popular as well. Motoguzzis are good too. It pretty much depends on your financial situation. Well unfortunately I am on my way home now. Just need to sell the bike and then its back to work for half a year. I am pretty seriously contemplating a 5-6 month trans russia, mongolia + stans tour myself next year. I would either go with an Ural or a CJ750 though. The CJ750 can be had with a BMW transplant (r75/r65 engine) and they are pretty cheap as well. Good luck, with it! |
Just a note,
The off-road (enduro / MX ) outfits I have seen are all fitted with a different set of forks. They have a cantilever arrangement and a rear type shock. I think they might be called "leading link" forks. It might be worth investigating the reasons for this. There is a bloke local to me who races an outfit. I'll try to get a pickie. |
Have a look at these sidecar travelers sites for a vicarious taste
Around The World Again - Motorcycle Escape HUBERT TRIP The North cape by Dnepr Sidecar to Tibet Sidecars are a funny experience. Tedious in the wet and cold - like bikes - but great in the sun. If you are not in a hurry, have good weather and the rider is in decent physical shape, then they would be a fun two person travel option. More enthusiasts' sites: http://www.sidecars.org.uk/ Google Image Result for http://www.sidecar.freeuk.com/gl12.jpg Leading Links The United Sidecar Association - Side Car Book Page Sidecar.com Forum : Category / Forum listings http://www.threewheels-uk.com/ Why not? Simon |
If you are going to be riding on any twin track dirt road then avoid the trike as your front wheel will be in the rough part of the track.The front suspension is called a leading link which basically turns you steering into a power steering setup as a normal front suspension on a sidecar is hard to turn.
In regards to the sidecar itself make sure that it has proper shock absorber suspension as this will be much better off road.Some units come out with rubber torsion bar suspension which is fine in the tar but not real good in the rough stuff. Leading link front end. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3...u-schwinge.jpg A 1150 GS with Ural chair. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3...850848-L-1.jpg A mate is building his own for outback touring. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3...rs/rommel6.jpg Similar to what I want to build for outback touring. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3...0/P4240039.jpg You can even take the mother in law for a ride. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3...nstein-cow.jpg Cheers Andrew |
All the above is good info. Trikes i'd avoid, it's like having a sidecar with no body on both sides, so you while you gain the stability you loose a lot of the carrying ability and all turns are "towards the chair". I followed a narrow Goldwing Trike to the Dragon and corners I'd be blatting through at 40-50, he was having to take at walking pace. He had no more luggage than a normal wing, so while he no doubt had his reasons for wanting something that didn't fall over, it didn't float my boat.
I should perhaps explain this better: A turn away from the chair transfers the weight onto the sidecar, so it's just like a car, too much speed you slide. With practice you can use the slide to your advantage, but at first snap the throttle shut and the chair will help you. A turn away from the sidecar lightens the sidecar wheel. Too fast and your nice stable outfit becomes a bike with a 700 kg pannier on one side :helpsmilie:. This is known as flying the chair and is huge fun unless you didn't practice and go straight on into the oncoming traffic :eek3:. Urals I can understand you avoiding. While they are perfect off road and the reverse gear has huge advanatges I know the 650's had components made of cheese and were assembled by drunken chimps (I threatened to put mine through the showroom window and got my cash back). The 750's are better but how better long term I don't know. The trick with a Ural is to only buy from totally first class experts who've fixed the problems and will support you. The Ural chair is the most practical about and can be adapted to fit as on the BMW above, my Triumph and just about any bike with a proper frame. Oilhead BMW's get expensive as you need to buy lots to metalwork to add strength and rigidity to the bike. I had an R1100R, but wouldn't go that route again. Unless you are totally minted, you'll need to ignore some of the advice you will get until you know about your own machine. Leading link forks are will reduce the steering loads, but you don't need them. I'm 5'7"/1.7m and not exactly fit (eat the wrong stuff, drink too much, rather partial to the odd cigar/pipe), but I can handle an 800 kg outfit on sand, mud, snow or the motorway for full days. Likewise, car tyres last longer but can introduce bad handling (my R1100R/Charnwood Meteor did lock to lock tank slappers at 85 mph :(). The cost of new rims etc. will buy you a lot of old style bike tyres. You could join us at SidecarsUK : The UK's Number One Sidecar Group for more info. Come on, join the dark side, there's just nothing like having the road to yourself on a moonlit night because a bit of snow keeps the road rocket brigade indoors :thumbup1: Andy |
Thanks Guys great help
Thanks Guys great help, I don't think I will go with the trike. Your comments and the price I have just been given for the conversion as put me off. I'm also thinking of selling the BMW and getting a bonnie. I can get a brand new bonnie straight out the box for the price of selling my 2nd hand BMW. A bit more basic, but at least its new and some how more fitting for a side car. In fact been looking at the 'watsonian-squire side cars and I can get that and the bonnie for the money for my bike. All new gear lucky me, I have turn 40 now maybe its time for the cloth cap flying jacket brigade.
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This vehicle may be a bit rough around the edges, but cost less than a grand! damn good fun.... |
Trikes...Yikes
Some trikes are well built and handle better than the same model solo bike in the corners. Plus with the auto tires you can put small truck tires on with snow tread and studs. Northwest Trikes
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As said, some bikes are more suitable for sidecar pulling than others. The beauty about Moto Guzzis (Tonti framed) is that they come with sidecar pulling ability sertification (or whatever they call it) from the factory. You don't need any additional frames or bodywork to add a sidecar. I built myself a rig last year, using a 1985 Guzzi 850 T5 and a Watsonian sidecar. I put on a leading link front fork and some stronger rear shocks and hey presto: A great sidecar rig to tour with. I've loaded it up with kids and gear and toured extensively with it. Total cost: 3000 euros (which is ridiculously cheap in Norway). The bike has enough grunt to pull it all very well. I'll add brakes on the sidecar this winter but it's not a necessity: The brakes on the bike has no problem stopping the rig quite effectively. And, more important: This is a rig that works, as opposed to the old Ural heap of s*** I used to have.
Here it is before I "renovated" it last winter (basically adding a Policia windscreen and painting it all black): http://www.eurofoto.no/show_image_st...&dx=588&dy=443 I'm planning on converting the T5 into a more offroad-like rig (like the one in the picture under) and put on some offroadish stash on the sidecar to match. http://www.motostefano.de/umbauten/850T5_enduro.jpg Oh, and these guys offer a very affordable DIY sidecar kit that seems like a very nice option: http://www.gbprojects.nl/gallery/alb...0002_small.jpg GBProjects - Home |
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I'm saying nothing about dress sense. I'm currently riding in a Drizabone long coat, Union Jack helmet, Army DR gloves made in 1953 and fake RAF goggles. I look like the tall doppy one in Dastardy and Muttley :blushing: Andy |
OK. Great advice on here so far. Here are a few more points to consider. Firstly, I was of the same opinin as you initially about Urals. In fact I thought sidecars were crap.
However, having followed 2 sidecars in Argentina down some nasty tracks whilst I struggled with a two-fully loaded 1150GS, I saw what they could do. Then I moved to Estonia with more plans to travel. We want to see Kamchatka, but now we have a dog and I still pretty bad off-road! So, with the dog, bad roads and nasty winter here an outfit seemed a whole lot better. Initially I thought about sticking a chair on the R1100GS I also had but when I learnt about what needed to be changed I soon scrapped that idea. It would have cost more than a combo out of the showroom! What do I have? I bought a secondhand 2007 Ural 2WD Sportman. The only thing sporty is the name, but it is great fun. OK: points why you should not discount a Ural out-right. They have been built with a sidecar in mind: the frame, all the bearings, spokes etc take the chair effect into account. Solos with a sidecar bolted on are a compromise as neither unit was designed to go with the other. Especially all the bearings in a solo that are chosen to withstand bike stresses, not the lateral stresses of a side car. Can't say if this is the case with Guzzis and their certification. They are very solid. They are easy to work on. You plan to go to Mongolia and Russia? That is where they are built and spare parts are everywhere. Not so for a GS, Guzzi, Kwakas... Spares are not so easy, nor are tyres for these other bikes. Do-able, but not "walk to the nearest farm and get that gasket" easy... Urals have, as standard: reverse gear, 2WD on some models (this is a scream in the loose stuff!!), interchangeable wheels (except the 2007 front) and interchangeable tyres: all the same. You get a spare wheel. Leading link forks as standard (the difference between power steering in a car and none). Integral steering damper for bumpy roads. I can get 4 tyres for it for about €220! The 2007 Ural is an improvement in mechanical terms over the previous ones: Brembo front brake Nippon Denso generator Domino switch gear Jap electrics Germany gearbox and pistons Italian ignition Keihin carbs What looks like a K&N filter Best tool kit I've ever seen OEM This should address a great many of the problems they faced before. What ever way you go I say enjoy you trip. However, before deciding check out Urals on Youtube and see what fun they are!! Also look here: The Timeless Ride Hubert Kriegel BMW Motorcycle Raid World Travel Sidecar Adventure Gespann Jack and Luzimar's 2006 Ural Tourist www.http://myural.com/index.htm |
I would echo that comment - the Urals are much improved. The new 750 is capable of something approaching European road speeds too. It is very well suited for RTW travel.
I am currently driving a BMW K100 with an EML sidecar, and considering swapping it for a modern Ural. Simon |
There have been many conversions of urals to diesel. this makes them a cheap to operate long range vehicle
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Thanks for all the info guys, great help. I'm Ok with the idea of a side car I just need to get the Mrs into it now.
I like the ural well cool and 2wd is ace, illegal in Australia thou. Least on public roads. Im sorry thou I cant get past the bonnie, its too nice. |
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Hey mate,I did'nt notice that you were in Sydney.Just in case you did'nt know,there is a sidecar rally on the June long weekend at Strathmerton (90km west of Albury).We're heading down Friday lunchtime.If there's anything you need to know about sidecars or want to check out then this is the place to be. Cheers A2 |
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Nice pic Andrew
I like the set up Andrew, what side car 'make' is that? I will try and get down to the event.
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I'll be there Saturday on one of these two.They'll have Andrew2 stickers on them.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3...0/DSCF0010.jpg Here's the thread for the outfit above. Thruxton w/Hack pics - ADVrider And here's the site Hacks - ADVrider |
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Sidecar travels
Just to add one more interesting website I've recently found. Here's an amazing and inspiring story of an armenian - Ara, living in US and now travelling around.
He travels with his dog in sidecar: http://theoasisofmysoul.com/wp-conte...ed-2-thumb.jpg http://theoasisofmysoul.com/wp-conte...hirt-thumb.jpg http://beemerchef.smugmug.com/photos/228680104-S.jpg http://beemerchef.smugmug.com/photos/228680150-S.jpg http://beemerchef.smugmug.com/photos/221733954-L.jpg http://beemerchef.smugmug.com/photos/221374712-L.jpg His bike has done more than 300,000km now! The Oasis Of My Soul » Ara and Spirit: Life Under the Stars |
The photos you post and the person (and dog) you mention are inspiring. These guys are really doing it, and good luck to them!!!! ....bring on those starry nights -which I last got bivouac camping in Belgium, on the way to Germany and then to France.
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Sidecars are fun
When I was a young ploiceman 34 years ago I rode all year long for the first two years on Harley Davidsons and in winter they were equipped with sidecars.
One has to be carefull while making right hand turns until one gets the hang of it. However we never had seats in our sidecars but put a bit of road salt in to get stability. I can remember doing many funeral escorts and leapfrogging my buddy ripping down the curb lane with the side car high in the air to avoid hitting snow banks. The look on peoples faces was quite amusing. Tha Harley would not tip over to the left if the sidecar came up because the fame and primary case would hit the ground first. And making left turns away from intersections was fun because you could open the throttle to the stop and rip around the corner smoking the rear tire. We had suicide shifters in those days. a lever on the left side of the tank and a foot clutch near the left foot rest. Just yesterday I instructed a friend to drive his Ural with a side car. Pieces of Russian crap though. Get a German bike or Japanese bike with at least 750 cc engine. Afix a sidecar frame to it and get a sidecar box from Ural or Harley and attach it to the frame. The Old style Harley sidecars were suspended with a leaf spring and they tended to rock longitudinally too much, but they are long with lots of leg room. The Ural sidecar is roomier, more comfortable and has a trunk. Put a second light on the sidecar. very helpfull. Ok That's all I can think of for now except make sure that whatever you attach the sidecar to, there is a steering damper. You can not stop a speed wobble once it is started at highway speed. And make sure the geometry is set up right. You will have to play with the rig till it is right. Just like front end allignment on a car. Good Hunting. Dig deep into those pockets. Bunky |
Urals are crap
I would agree that Urals have beeen built by the Hundreds of thousands in russia for years however when one takes 1940 BMW technology and tries to duplicate it with a hammer and sicle ther is a big difference.
The 2006 bike that I was driving yesterday has just had a new engine installed under warranty because all the main bearings were spun at 6000 kms. The bike never went over 100 K and the oil was changed every 1000 k and checked every day. Yes some of the components have been upgraded but if the motor, the heart of the beast is sub-par then one has to wonder. The sidecar wheel rim has a huge runout right from the factory and the bearings were found to be very loose as well. In attempting to install the spare onto the sidecar we discovered that the splines on the driveshaft do not mesh with the spare wheel hub. CRAP.:thumbdown: |
Ain't nothing wrong with a Ural...!!! :thumbup1:
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Much to say about BMW versus the Ural... Suspension is one which is always my first mod. Keep in mind that 60% of the car's weight is on the bike (tongue weight) and 60% of that is on the rear. I know one can change the shocks on the Ural, there is someone in Oregon that replaces them with aviation shocks, has not told me what they are. So I have Ohlins for a about 500lb riders. There is no great for the road or great for dirt. It has to be a compromise. I can cruise at 70 very well on black top and do dirt easily with the "freedom" wheel in the rear which is a VW wheels with tire. Cheap to replace also and with a tube in it can change it with two butter knies. It almost does the job of two wheel drive when pressure is dropped to about 25. Almost... I wish the GS was softer in the dirt, I wish it was a bit harder on black top... but this is good, as well as it is going to be safe and me happy. Come the reliablity... with 222,000 miles, a clutch at 180K, a U joint at 150K, a clutch cables every year and only misc items, who can complain? The cost to put a car on is not that much, considering the GS has no frame forward. But of course I am opinionated... this is a GS 1100, the best BMW ever made... (:thumbup1:). I think... proven... so far. I use synthetic oil (Red Line) all around... change it all every 5 to 6000 miles... an alternator that will power up 7 headlight and heated liner and gloves... Ural has a way to go yet to catch up... great for weekend warriors (no offense) but, unless wanting to wrench often, the GS is and has been agreat way to go... So it was 4 degrees this morning... lets go see if she will start!!! Odyssee battery by the way... the best! Hope to see you down the road sometimes... No, we don't do around the World... Lived in Europe for 28 years, that was the time for Africa, Middle East, you name it... Today I explore this gem of a country that is under my feet... Too hard to take Spirit overseas anyhow... Be well... and don't forget to turn your SPOT on!!! Ara & Spirit The Oasis of my Soul Spirit's new crash bar!!! http://beemerchef.smugmug.com/photos...53_3rpQB-L.jpg |
I had a Ural back in 2000 when they were really rubbish. In 6 months it ran correctly for about a week and destroyed it's own gearbox. I had a chat with the dealer about his show window and got most of my cash back. Looking at 750's I really do think they are an absolutely massive improvement, the quality and reliability is easily comparable with 20 year old BM airheads and Guzzi's you see on the market and Ural parts are a lot easier to get than Guzzi bits (My dad's Guzzi was off the road for three months over the summer while we found out it was one of a batch of eight that used different parts to the early and late models the dealers knew about, we had to have a brake disk and axle spacers shipped from Italy, so no Guzzi's for me, Guzzi themselves just make it up as they go along so the owner has no chance).
What Ural havn't fixed is the service interval and cruising speed. My Triumph and beemerchef's GS (love the pictures BTW) will cruise at (or above) the legal limit and need oil every 6000 miles. At 10 hours riding a day you'd need oil every two weeks, or once a month on more normal use on a tour. A Ural still isn't happy at speeds trucks do in some places and you'd change the oil every five days at a heavy pace, certainly once in a normal two week trip. Not a great problem if you are happy to ride the back roads and can talk to the place that sells you the oil about legal disposal, not so great if you get two weeks off work and don't speak the langauge and don't want to waste a day doing mechanical stuff. Nothing against Urals per se, they just don't fit how I use my bike. At the minute I'm using the outfit for work due to snow, in three weeks it's off to the Elefant rally. All it'll get before heading for the ferry is a wash and check of the basics Chain-oil-tyres. When it's back it'll get the same and an oil change in mid Feb. I still don't think a Ural could do that, so lets hope their development continues and the next one can do it (I'm not confident mind, Ural marketing have discovered guys who like playing soldiers on sunny Sundays). Ural for me would be placed with Enfields in bikes you really have to have a good think about before you buy and there is no point hiding the bad bits of the simple technology just because you like the look of other bits. Andy |
"I'm not confident mind, Ural marketing have discovered guys who like playing soldiers on sunny Sundays".
Well said Andy. The concept is so awesome, but, you said it all... Thanks and be well... Ara & Spirit |
I rode outfits for over 30 years, from an A10 Gold Flash BSA with Steib to a Pan European ST100/RX4 with full EZS kit, great fun, but expensive to run and all the disavantages of a bike coupled with all the disadvantages of a car, but fun. I now ride a trike (for the last 6 years), good (but not so much) fun, with all the disadvanteges of a bike coupled with all the disadvantegs of a car. The biggest thing a trike has over a sidecar is that the passenger on the back of the trike sees the same as the rider, the sidecar passenger see NOTHING to the side of the sidecar ('cos the passenger is lower and the bikes in the way). If you can do it on a solo, do it, if not and you are taking a passenger on what is after all a sightseeing trip, go for a trike. Trikes are also far easier to ride because they have a differential, sidecar outfits do not, therfore you have to 'learn' how to ride a sidecar, trikes are much easier and can have good luggage capacity, depends what you get. Whatever you do, enjoy.
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A sidecar, in the UK, is an accessory, like a topbox!! Another consideration, is if you go off-road and follow any sort of dirt track, your steering wheel on a trike will always be in the crappy middle section , even if your driven wheels are in the tracks. As for the view, I got my Ural to allow my girlfriend and I to travel with our dogs. They sit in the chair, modded to suit them, and my girlfriend sits on the pillion seat, so her view of the journey is no worse than mine: other than my lid filling the horizon ahead!! I agree that the oil change interval on the Ural is prohibitive, but not so bad: I feel that 200 miles a day is as much as I'd like to travel, having learnt that there is a lot to be said for taking one's time on a trip. The Ural has limitations and I have spent a lot of time and a reasonable sum of money modding mine to suit, but I have no regrets buying it and the 2WD is brilliant!! When we go to Kamchatka, I think it'll be fine!! |
Well... I am going to eat my words today!
"Old Faithful" still remains yet we have a new Hack... The #1 of a Special Edition "Gear Up" we are calling "Terra Explorer". Much research, many add ons all done in House by Raceway Services in Salem. All to make this machine an off road worthy Hack. The main reason? Reverse and 2 wheel drive (when needed). My apprehension with the GS (finally actually blew up at 280.000 miles, now has a 30.000 miles RT engine and runs great) has been the U Turn when faced with that aspect. We have been riding it for a couple days now, today was the 500km service, and I must say I have already taken it on roads I would have never ridden the GS. The mechanical aspect? Of course it is a reminder of the Air Heads with an incredible simplicity. Much has changed in the 2012 and I have a positive confidence this will serve us well in Europe and more next year. Never thought this would happen but it has! If you need more details let me know, from bearings to tires, shifters, high 2 into 1 exhaust, arc ignition... and much more! I must say it is a blast!!! Stay well... Ara and Spirit The Oasis Of My Soul � Ara and Spirit: Life Under the Stars http://beemerchef.smugmug.com/photos...-C6gTSGC-M.jpg http://beemerchef.smugmug.com/photos...-Ss5kKN8-M.jpg http://beemerchef.smugmug.com/photos...-ZckwVxt-M.jpg http://beemerchef.smugmug.com/photos...-tNndLjp-M.jpg http://beemerchef.smugmug.com/photos...-bN3hRbb-M.jpg http://beemerchef.smugmug.com/photos...-dPHpXKT-M.jpg http://beemerchef.smugmug.com/photos...-BfSnQq6-M.jpg |
I have done camping trips solo on my bike for many years. Last year however my wife wanted to accompany me to see the Rhine falls. So we took the car. Also a bigger tent (4 midgets or two normal sized people). Taking the car had many advantages to the extent I am seriously considering buying a small hatchback such as a diesel Fiat Panda. They easily do 70MPG and allow me to operate my normal car mode travel. Namely set up the boot as a kitchen and put all the luggage behind the two front seats.
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I've gone the same way as OldBMW for now. The brick outfit was simply getting too old to have that 99% confidence I need and spending hours on a restoration isn't me. UK legal conditions are becoming a nightmare, my MOT station (annual inspection) as good as told me they'd fail it and keep failing it if I brought it back next year, they are terrified of all the new EU electrical and modification rules costing them their license. You can't apply rules meant to stop people chipping and removing the catastrophic perverter and ABS on a 2009 VW Golf to a 1984 K100 and win. The insurance was likewise getting silly as the government database now lets them search and anomalies like the registration papers not listing the sidecar (the government don't have a category, it's like fitting a pannier) sends their call centre staff stupid. A Ural being bought as a whole cures all this, so there might be one in my future (after they've had FI for three years), but for now a Nissan Micra uses less petrol. Andy |
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-- UK legal conditions are becoming a nightmare, my MOT station (annual inspection) as good as told me they'd fail it and keep failing it if I brought it back next year, they are terrified of all the new EU electrical and modification rules costing them their license. You can't apply rules meant to stop people chipping and removing the catastrophic perverter and ABS on a 2009 VW Golf to a 1984 K100 and win. The insurance was likewise getting silly as the government database now lets them search and anomalies like the registration papers not listing the sidecar (the government don't have a category, it's like fitting a pannier) sends their call centre staff stupid--- Andy[/QUOTE] I can understand the frustration , the mind numbing state control of just about everything and the willingness of the population to put up with it , are a major part of what drove me away from the UK some years ago . Canada [ or at least BC] doesn't care what you bolt onto your bike and there's plenty of space to ride and fewer moron car drivers trying to kill you . So ,thus far, I have been able to avoid having to buy a nice sensible little car and intend ride my sidecar outfit untill I fall off it into my grave . Cars are incredibly ordinary and boring , I figure I'll be in a box soon enough ,so I might as well enjoy the wind and the weather on my face ,plus the dog likes it and that's good enough reason for me .:mchappy: |
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