New Dominator.....maybe?

[Gipper]

http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/20...650-dominator/


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[ridetheworld]

I couldn't afford the new AT but I'm really happy it's sold well. It's good for Honda and good for "ADV" riders in general.

So far all the newish bikes that I'd like to buy are Hondas, ie the NX700, CB500X and the AT looks amazing. An updated Dommie with EFI, etc would be top of that list for me, so long as it didn't cost a fortune.



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[Gipper]

agreed, if Honda can make a modern day Dominator Im sure it will sell well, the KLR though modernised is not cutting edge, the DR650 has been basically unchanged since 1996, KTM still haven't got a 690 Adventure and the BMW 650's are getting on, if Honda can come up with an air cooled light ish 650 with decent suspension, big tank, small screen they will be onto a winner. The new AT's are selling well, which is good for us riders, it wont be too long before we will see them come on the used market - though they will hold their value.

[PropTP]

Good news for the mid-sized adv bike segment. Rumor has it that Yamaha is also coming out with a mid sized Adv bike, the Tenere 700 which will be based on the MT-07.

I cant afford any of the new 1000 cc adv bikes, but i still get a kick out of seeing old models revived.

[Endurodude]

Originally Posted by PropTP

Good news for the mid-sized adv bike segment. Rumor has it that Yamaha is also coming out with a mid sized Adv bike, the Tenere 700 which will be based on the MT-07.

I asked about a new Tenere (smaller capacity) at last year's NEC. Now, putting aside that people on the stand might not always be in th know, they told me that there would be no smaller Teneres in the future, or at least the near future.

Going back to the potential Dommie, this would be really interesting. I had been interested in the new AT, right up until the moment I discovered the weight. A 600 / 700 cc would be interesting.

[Walkabout]

Originally Posted by Gipper

if Honda can come up with an air cooled light ish 650

For sale in Europe it will have a water cooled, fuel injected engine with lambda sensors etc, complete with ABS brakes and whatever else is next to be decreed as requirements for the EU market - remember those leg protectors of a few years ago.
Hence it will weigh about the same as the XT660Z i.e. a bit less than the new AT.

Originally Posted by Endurodude

I asked about a new Tenere (smaller capacity) at last year's NEC.

I asked the same folks what had happened to the XT660R - it is no longer imported into the UK, as of this year - there is not enough demand according to the guy behind the information desk (there's an oxymoron?).

These will be in the UK by around Sept 16 though:
http://www.swm-motorcycles.it/en/mod...ure/superdual/

[Snakeboy]

My guess is that the new bike here will be a new Transalp and not a Dominator.
A single air cooled carburated bike it will not be for sure.

[rosa del desierto]

The Honda NX650 came out in 1988 and was/is very popular and the Honda NX400 looks and abilities might have been inspired by the old Domi NX650.

Pictured are our two Honda NX400s Falcons "X" bought one of the very first manufactured in Brazil - 2001.
Mine is 2009, I also owned a Honda XR250.

NX400s are single cylinder, no fuel injection and air cooled, between us we have a 100,000 K through 8 South American countries, including crossing the Andes 4 times, twice at 5000 + meters. At very high altitudes both bikes lost power, but never stalled..... and that was fixed by re-jetting in Bolivia....after that, NO REAL PROBLEMS OR COMPLAINTS.

Simple single cylinders are a good choice for touring South America.

The NX400s and parts are available in South America, but if you buy new with the included Honda 12,000 K 12 month warranty I doubt you will be sourcing any parts other than bash plates, windshields, cubremanos,panniers etc all now available in South America. And, all SA Honda dealers honor the warranty!!!

Just a thought,
rosa del desierto

[mollydog]

Originally Posted by Gipper

Honda NX650 Dominator Coming Back for 2017? - ADV Pulse

Using the old "patent filings" BS is an old trick picked up by the bottom feeding
British Moto press. ADV Pulse of course are really short of editorial content as their advertisers are finally waking up. And readers can clearly see they are BOUGHT AND SOLD by key advertisers. They are bottom feeders to ... but not for long me thinks.

Sure, Honda could re-launch such a bike. But is it really that different than the current (and very long in the tooth) XR650L? (first released in 1991 ... I bought a new '92 XR-L. (One of my least favorite bikes)
Don't get too excited folks.

1. If Honda do a mid weight dual sport, it will be 100% modern and expensive.
Like round $10K USD.
2. It won't be that light. (I'd bet old bike is lighter)
3. my real bet is .... THIS AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Never believe British press!

Guys at show stands are like Mushrooms ... you know the rest.
When I worked at City Bike we had "friends" at all the OEM's. So for us, just a phone call to the big guy would give you some idea. Most times they wouldn't say a word, but reading between the lines and picking up on subtle references can help.


On the Yamaha, much more a reality IMHO. Everyone said from early on that the P-Twin FZ-07 would make a good ADV travel bike. Yamaha are on a roll, having success after success. No question it's coming ... Fall of 2017 would be my guess.

[ridetheworld]

Originally Posted by rosa del desierto

The Honda NX650 came out in 1988 and was/is very popular and the Honda NX400 looks and abilities might have been inspired by the old Domi NX650.

Pictured are our two Honda NX400s Falcons "X" bought one of the very first manufactured in Brazil - 2001.
Mine is 2009, I also owned a Honda XR250.

NX400s are single cylinder, no fuel injection and air cooled, between us we have a 100,000 K through 8 South American countries, including crossing the Andes 4 times, twice at 5000 + meters. At very high altitudes both bikes lost power, but never stalled..... and that was fixed by re-jetting in Bolivia....after that, NO REAL PROBLEMS OR COMPLAINTS.

Simple single cylinders are a good choice for touring South America.

The NX400s and parts are available in South America, but if you buy new with the included Honda 12,000 K 12 month warranty I doubt you will be sourcing any parts other than bash plates, windshields, cubremanos,panniers etc all now available in South America. And, all SA Honda dealers honor the warranty!!!

Just a thought,
rosa del desierto

Hi rosa,

I put 50,000k on a Tornado and it's still going strong. A fabulous little machine.

If I move to Mexico next year I want to buy either a Mini-Tenere or quite possibly the Falcon 400.

Any idea what HP it has? It looks like a solid bike. I'd also be interested how it performs two-up with light luggage?

Cheers


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[rosa del desierto]

ridetheworld,

I suggest that two up with light luggage could ride a Honda NX400 for expeditions with limited travel each day - although, I have encountered NX400s with two up and a lot of gear and they seemed to be doing just fine.

It is based on one's need for comfort and personal space and the weight capacity of the bike. Perhaps the happiest and most loving couple I have met were two young Argentines riding one NX400 loaded like a British would load one of those big BMW adventure bikes, all manners of racks, crash and bash plates, decals, flags, a multitude of lights and accessories and a lot of other stuff I have never seen before nor since.

So, it really comes down to personal taste, the relationship between the two riders and the physical capacity of the bike. I will say one up, the seat is comfortable, better than the Tornado for long trips.

Max power the engine: 31.00 HP / 6700 rpm.

Max power to the wheel: 23.18 HP / rpm a very powerful engine for its displacement and responds very well.

I can cruise between 100K and 120 K with luggage, most comfortable is around 110K and without head wind, 140k is possible I really don't care to go anywhere fast.

[ridetheworld]

Thanks Rosa.

I was inches close to a buying one in chile but went with the XR250, which ultimately served its purposes very well.

... Hard ass seat though!