Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Technical, Bike forums > Which Bike?

Which Bike? Comments and Questions on what is the best bike for YOU, for YOUR trip. Note that we believe that ANY bike will do, so please remember that it's all down to PERSONAL OPINION. Technical Questions for all brands go in their own forum.
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

AMERICA’S PREMIER MANUFACTURER OF MOTORCYCLE SUSPENSION

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 19 Jul 2012
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Norfolk/Suffolk border
Posts: 151
Talking

Handbags at dawn
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 20 Jul 2012
colebatch's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London / Moscow
Posts: 1,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexlebrit View Post
It's all a bit mouth and no trousers. Maybe they are the next round the world bikes but their marketing speak doesn't make it sound like they are.
Marketing speak is nothing to do with the capabilites of the bike. It all about who the target market is.

What does marketing speak say about the off road abilities of the Super Tenere and the Explorer 1200? Whatever they say its also utter rubbish. And totally all mouth and no trousers. Do you really think any marketing speak is going to be any different?

I think these are ideal for basing a solid RTW bike on. Far more so than any Super Tenere, 1200 Adventure or Explorer 1200. You saw MCN put those bikes thru their paces off road? They couldnt even survive a day.

Marketers know nothing about the capabilites of a bike. I started taking BMW X-CHallenges (which BMW had no idea how to market) RTW in 2008 ... cause I recognised a load of potential in them. My X-Challenge has crossed Eurasia and Mongolia, mostly off road, 4 times now. Nothing about that in the marketing speak for the bike. I am currently leading a group on a unique first ever all-off-road ride from the EU to Magadan now, 20,000 km of trails across Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia and Siberia, its brutal and relentless and insanely punishing on the bikes, and 3 of the 5 bikes with me are X-Challenges or X-Countrys. Yet not a hint about that potential in the marketing speak. To me, the X-Challenge is the finest basis for a long distance off road Adventure motorcycle in the world today. Even tho BMW dont even make it any more. The Marketers sure didnt know that. But they they never do this stuff, so how would they know? Bike designers don't do this stuff, so how would they know what an adventure bike is all about? Bike company executive management dont do trips like this, so they too dont know. No-one in the business knows anything about adventure motorcycling. All they know is how to sell bikes. You cant seriously expect them to know jack squat about the adventure potential of their bikes.
__________________
__________________________________________________ ________________
"Do NOT go wherever the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path, and leave a trail"



Sibirsky Extreme - Adventure Motorcycling Guide to Siberia and Mongolia - on Facebook

Click here for Sibirsky Extreme Trail DVD Trailer
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 20 Jul 2012
colebatch's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London / Moscow
Posts: 1,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by floyd View Post
Handbags at dawn lol
Yep I just dont get some people ... whats the point coming on to someone's thread, and making a couple of random pops at the OPs comments??

Whats even the point of senior people coming on here and giving the benefit of their experience to those who dont know or who want to know - want to know what people with experience think, know, and have learned about bike selection and preparation. At the end of the day there is nothing in it for me. If someone doesnt want to know what I think and recommend, thats fine, leave the thread alone, but why be a smartass about it?

Internet forums can be such a waste of time sometimes ....
__________________
__________________________________________________ ________________
"Do NOT go wherever the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path, and leave a trail"



Sibirsky Extreme - Adventure Motorcycling Guide to Siberia and Mongolia - on Facebook

Click here for Sibirsky Extreme Trail DVD Trailer
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 20 Jul 2012
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Norfolk/Suffolk border
Posts: 151
Ere, the new Sertao long termer got off to a bad start with MCN. Check this weeks comic.
Coley, you are not far off the mark with your marketing babble. BUT surely the sum of the parts gives it some cred.
Tbh i am not so sure why the big 1100 and 1150 barges are suitable.
Bit like taking a bus when you only need a car. Who the feck can pick one up fully freighted when its dropped in the dirt.
I had one. Bit like the Emporers new clothes. Lol
Anyway Senior you lay into em lad.
Catch you later. Got to go to the shop for some popcorn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 21 Jul 2012
Alexlebrit's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West London
Posts: 922
Quote:
Originally Posted by colebatch View Post
All they know is how to sell bikes. You cant seriously expect them to know jack squat about the adventure potential of their bikes.
I know, sad isn't it. Given the choice I'd always much rather listen to those who have done than those who haven't. What surprised me is that they appear to have created two great bikes, using proven technology, under a brand which is well respected and yet their marketeers seem to have held back. Maybe they too have fallen under the "round the world needs cubic capacity" spell. Maybe it's part of BMW's (they own Husqvarna don't they?) brand management, pushing their own 800-1200cc range as long range bikes and anything less as day-bikes, I know BMW Motorrad on Park Lane looked at me askance when I said the G650GS Sertao was plenty big enough for my adventuring needs and doubted my sanity when I said I'd dare to keep loading up and riding my 125cc Derbi Terra Adventure, why wouldn't I want a 1200cc behemoth?

So don't worry I'm not questioning your eye, and positively impressed you can even keep an eye on here and on your adventuring at the same time, just saddened that the marketing men appear to have taken over something we love and are trying to define, and narrow, a category, when we know that a C90 can give you as much adventure as a 1200GS; although (having picked an over-loaded sushi-carrying Honda up from where it had slid into the gutter) admittedly even a C90 has limits.

PS. 2014 Siberia by 125?
__________________
Happiness has 125 cc

Last edited by Alexlebrit; 21 Jul 2012 at 11:28. Reason: Husqvarna, not Husaberg (my smartphone isn't so smart and I failed to proofread)
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 21 Jul 2012
colebatch's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London / Moscow
Posts: 1,727
I was told directly when I had personal contact with BMW marketing several years ago that they specifically did not want to promote the capabilities of any bike for adventure trabel apart from the 1200. Thus never an adventure version of f800. BMW explicitly want the 1200 to be the only bike associated with the word and concept of adventure in their stable.

Thats where the money is.
__________________
__________________________________________________ ________________
"Do NOT go wherever the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path, and leave a trail"



Sibirsky Extreme - Adventure Motorcycling Guide to Siberia and Mongolia - on Facebook

Click here for Sibirsky Extreme Trail DVD Trailer
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 21 Jul 2012
Moderated Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 502
Quote:
Originally Posted by colebatch View Post
Yep I just dont get some people ... whats the point coming on to someone's thread, and making a couple of random pops at the OPs comments??
Paranoia there Walt. Anyway, I digress.

BMW is a company about making money. Why would they promote a strategy that did not maximize their profit? They don't make any from the likes of this site's audience.....
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 22 Jul 2012
colebatch's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London / Moscow
Posts: 1,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Docsherlock View Post
Paranoia there Walt. Anyway, I digress.

BMW is a company about making money. Why would they promote a strategy that did not maximize their profit? They don't make any from the likes of this site's audience.....
I dont criticise BMW at all. Their strategy, as is every other companys, is to maximise return. Just stressing that marketing isnt about anything other than helping to attain that goal. Its nothing to do with defining what the best bike for the job is.

Note taken, but bear in mind when you have just crossed Mongolia in 2.5 days and are in a cheap hotel on the Russian side with a tiny window of smartphone internet and you upload some info that you hope might be of interest to fellow riders back home, who are enjoying the luxury of endless internet and time at the keyboard, its a bit tedious to read that the response of some is complaining about your grammar, and you do tend to think to yourself that you have better things to do at that particular moment than deal with that.
__________________
__________________________________________________ ________________
"Do NOT go wherever the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path, and leave a trail"



Sibirsky Extreme - Adventure Motorcycling Guide to Siberia and Mongolia - on Facebook

Click here for Sibirsky Extreme Trail DVD Trailer
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 22 Jul 2012
Moderated Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 502
Quote:
Originally Posted by colebatch View Post
I dont criticise BMW at all. Their strategy, as is every other companys, is to maximise return. Just stressing that marketing isnt about anything other than helping to attain that goal. Its nothing to do with defining what the best bike for the job is.

Note taken, but bear in mind when you have just crossed Mongolia in 2.5 days and are in a cheap hotel on the Russian side with a tiny window of smartphone internet and you upload some info that you hope might be of interest to fellow riders back home, who are enjoying the luxury of endless internet and time at the keyboard, its a bit tedious to read that the response of some is complaining about your grammar, and you do tend to think to yourself that you have better things to do at that particular moment than deal with that.
Such is the life of an adventurer.....keep your chin up and see humour for what it is.

Safe travels.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 23 Jul 2012
Alexlebrit's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West London
Posts: 922
To get back to the bikes (and sorry for derailing things discussing marketing strategies)



What tweaks would people like to make? Personally I'd like an bit of wind protection, so that's a screen of sorts. And obviously some pannier support, soft for me but some will want to bolt big boxes on. And Mr Colebatch, I know, is a convert to the Strada style low front mudguard. But what does everyone else think?
__________________
Happiness has 125 cc
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 23 Jul 2012
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Seville (E) / Geneva (CH)
Posts: 535
Wink

Quote:
Originally Posted by colebatch View Post
Note taken, but bear in mind when you have just crossed Mongolia in 2.5 days and are in a cheap hotel on the Russian side with a tiny window of smartphone internet and you upload some info that you hope might be of interest to fellow riders back home, who are enjoying the luxury of endless internet and time at the keyboard, its a bit tedious to read that the response of some is complaining about your grammar, and you do tend to think to yourself that you have better things to do at that particular moment than deal with that.
Be sure that many here are grateful for you sharing that info and even more considering such circumstances.

Happy travels,

-E
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 15 Oct 2012
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 114
So, any news on this Husky ? anyone has actually tried it ?

It's great to see a constructor not interested in adding more gadgetry and kg to their bikes - see the new BMW R1200GS and the KTM 1190.

This is the right thing to do, although I see they raised the compression ratio to get those extra hps. It could be an issue with low-octane fuel like you get in Mongolia, no ?

The reduction is weight (as opposed to the F650GS) is good - if it doesn't come to the expense of robustness. The rear subframe must be strong enough to sustain the weight of luggage over a long period of time. Ultimately, the no.1 feature for an adventure bike (for me) is robustness, we'll have to see how it does in that department in a couple years after people have been around Africa (or Asia) and back with it.. in one piece.

OT: Speaking of KTM, when are they coming with a travel-oriented 690 ? that's what we're waiting for.

Laurent

PS: I heard the 2013 euro regulations will force them to detune it to 48 hp, just a rumor ?
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 23 Jun 2013
Alexlebrit's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West London
Posts: 922
Quote:
Originally Posted by colebatch View Post
I was told directly when I had personal contact with BMW marketing several years ago that they specifically did not want to promote the capabilities of any bike for adventure trabel apart from the 1200. Thus never an adventure version of f800. BMW explicitly want the 1200 to be the only bike associated with the word and concept of adventure in their stable.

Thats where the money is.
How times have changed. I'd like to think that BMW have seen the likes of Walter et al and woken up to the idea of smaller capacity "adventure bikes" although the new F800 GSA is probably more about maximizing profit potential than a realization that 1200cc behemoths aren't the best things to be on in the back of beyond.
__________________
Happiness has 125 cc
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 30 Jun 2013
colebatch's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London / Moscow
Posts: 1,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexlebrit View Post
How times have changed. I'd like to think that BMW have seen the likes of Walter et al and woken up to the idea of smaller capacity "adventure bikes" although the new F800 GSA is probably more about maximizing profit potential than a realization that 1200cc behemoths aren't the best things to be on in the back of beyond.
if they get around to making a sub 140 kg single cylinder adventure bike, I can die happy.

Till then, I am happy to keep saying the bikes have to be much much lighter than they are now to be fit for purpose.
__________________
__________________________________________________ ________________
"Do NOT go wherever the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path, and leave a trail"



Sibirsky Extreme - Adventure Motorcycling Guide to Siberia and Mongolia - on Facebook

Click here for Sibirsky Extreme Trail DVD Trailer
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
RTW on 100cc underbones - Underboning the World Underboning Ride Tales 300 4 Jan 2013 09:24
BMW Spokes on Not on RTW luckyluke84 BMW Tech 4 28 Apr 2012 10:31
2 weeks into my RTW. New to the HUBB Snoah Welcome to HU 7 27 Apr 2012 21:42
20,000 km for Kids with Cancer n8stone27 Make a Difference 0 10 Mar 2012 18:39
Bolivia road block arround Potosi ? HendiKaf South America 1 29 Oct 2011 20:48

 
 
 

NEW! HU 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar is now available! Get your copy now for some terrific travel inspiration!

HUGE, 11.5 x 16.5 inches, beautifully printed in Germany on top quality stock! Photos are the winning images from over 600 entries in the 9th Annual HU Photo Contest!

Horizons Unlimited 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar.

"The calendar is magnificent!"

"I just wanted to say how much I'm loving the new, larger calendar!"

We share the profit with the winning photographers. YOU could be in the HU Calendar too - enter here!

Next HU Eventscalendar

See all events

 

Latvia to Australia, an inspirational 5 month journey full of unexpected adventures!


Renedian Adventures

Renedian Adventures

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!


New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.


Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:02.