Bike Conflict

[lunapix]

Hi Guys!

My first post ever!

I've been browsing around this wonderfull site for 2 full weeks, 6 hours a day minimum and it kicks ass!!!

Now, i've already found so much usefull info but on some hot points of our trip i cant find some up to date info or to many different answers. So please help me out!?

I'll try to be as specific as possible:

So my friend and i are landing in LA the 15th of april by plane from Brussels/Belgium. After the USA, we want to ride trough Mexico, Guatemale, Belize, El Salvador, honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama and fly back home.

For the bike we have two options:

1) shipping the bike from Zeebrugge to Hueneme by ro ro WW, It would cost us 980 euro per bike + costs in Hueneme. It that case i would buy a transalp(1999 or so) here in europe, put all the gear & modifications on it and drive with Belgian plates and insurrance.

• who knows what the actual costs are in Hueneme?
• to clear the bike in costums, do i need USA insurance in advance(online) or will my belgian one be ok, just to clear?
• If i understand well, its ok to buy only USA insurance, cuz the other country's w'll be visiting we just pay for that on the borders automaticly?
• Is insurance much more expensive if you're younger than 25? I'm 24.
• otherwise i would try to get insured here in Belgium for my bike Internationaly. But if i drive lets say with my car trough europe, than i have insurance in every country if i have an accident. Why does it change in Central Amerika?

2) Buy the bike in the usa, get plates, insurrance, make all modifications, finding gear and drive our way to panama, there sell or dump the bike.

• Is there a touratech kind of shop, center, somewhere near L.A where we can quickly find all our stuff. Like Zega Panniers, crashbars, bigger tank, centerstand, etc for most types of bikes. We can do that by ourselves, my friend is a mecanic. But a workplace and tools would be great, any ideas?
• for the moment i preferre shipping, because i can't seem to find the right bike for me in the US(for the moment). W're +- students, so we cant buy something new. Here in europe all those Africa twins, Transalps, Dominators are very budgetfriendly and everywhere. They Dont excist in the USA! and a XR is just a bit to high for me. Bmw is to expensive. Any ideas or links for bikes? Something off road but still capable of riding sweet like transalp. Our budget for the bike + modifications/gear is 4000-5000 euro MAX
• I've heard it can take up to a month for getting the right insurrance, registration and plates. I've heard a day as well. I have a contact in LA, a belgian guy who works and lives there. We can use his adres. I've read we can already start riding and have the papers send to us by him. Are we safe/insurranced then?
• I've read they stamp your motorbike into your passport and you cant leave the country without it, we want to sell or dump the bikes(get all value off it). How can we do this? And dont miss our plane and getting $2500 fine?

For the moment i'm in for option 1, i hate it being so expensive, 980 bucks to ship is a lot of money. But i feel save with the fact that i can rig my transalp in all peace, get everything right on time, get to know the faults en prepare for that. The bike + full gear should cost me around 5000 euro in this way.

Do you think buying something similar + finding gear in LA USA would come cheaper? And is a better choise, i like the adventure aspect of it. Or would it be to much waste of time? Finding the right pannier rack, crashbars, etc?


Please, if you can just answer only one detail, you would help me a lot!

Its driving me crazy for the moment

Off course you guys get something in exchange for your hard typing labour! Once i'm on the road i'll make you guys proud of seeing those beautifull pictures, nice posts and credits to the MASTERS OF OVERLAND!


If this aint the right place to put this post, tell me.



Thanks in advance!





Stijn Jansen

[docsherlock]

Buy new KLR650's in the USA, ride them back and sell before going home; far simpler, far cheaper (base price is $5600) and you will probably sell for $3-4000 when you get back. Spending $1300 USD on shipping (each way?) is just nuts. Six months of comprehensive insurance, albeit with 20% excess, is about $1500 USD but at least you can get it for US plated bike.

Good luck,

S

[Kennichi]

Fly the bike out, shipping by ship entails a ton of extra costs , I'll try find the section in Chris Scott's adventure touring handbook...

But my flying bike out quotes are semi reasonable, about £720 to fly a CBR600F sized bike without dismantling to Canada. I reckon a transalp or an Africa can be reduced in packing size.

The book advises you to fly to Canada and ride down to the mex border for less hassle, then its a case of some paper work buy insurance you need it for US/Can and ride down to Panama.

heh btw I have nice 1990 Africa twin for sale.... €1100 and its yours and its got half the mods you want on it already, crash bars big tank etc.

[mollydog]

Most of the info you need is here on the HUBB if you keep searching.

[farqhuar]

Lunapix, I did the same thing as you are contemplating twice before. The first time 35 years ago and the second time 25 years ago. It was harder in those days and has only gotten easier since, however, I had minimal problems.

My last trip in '84 was as follows:

1. Fly to LA, check into YMCA, pick up newspaper, scan ads and buy a used CX500 2 days later. There are plenty of bike shops in LA - I found a place in Azusa which had everything you could possibly need in the way of accessories. I didn't bother with either a carnet or insurance - simply not necessary. I did go to the California DMV and register the bike in my name (at the YMCA address and obtained a AAA vehicle details document which is used for crossing borders in Central (NOT South) America) and got a temporary title.

2. Kit out bike (add panniers etc.) I ended up with a full dress Honda with Windjammer fairing, king and queen seat, top box, panniers etc.

3. Ride around Southwest USA and up to Canada to test out bike and get a feel for it.

4. Head South to Panama - no problems whatsoever taking the bike across the borders. Only problems were needing to replace the rear tyre in Guatemala. Travelled through El Salvador and Nicaragua whilst the coups and fighting were taking place - heard lots of sniper fire.

5. Flew bike and myself from Panama City to Bogota - had problems getting customs approval as I had no carnet (which was required). Went to visit local Columbian AAA and had lunch with AAA president who issued me a letter saying my AAA papers were in order and all that was necessary to enter the country (nice piece of bluff, but bluff gets you 95% of the way in any travelling). Columbian customs reluctantly allowed me to bring the bike into the country. Headed South down to Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Argentina and up to Uruguay, Paraguay and Brazil with no one questioning my docs.

6. Debated whether to ship bike back to Australia but ended up selling it (illegally) for 2/3rds what I paid for it to a Brit in Brazil.

7. Oh, almost forget to mention, I picked up a pillion passenger in LA and took her down south as well.

Now for a few controversial comments. In my opinion:

1. You don't need an offroad bike for this journey (nor any other journey frankly for that matter). Offroaders are a painful compromise for the 90% of your journey that you will be doing on the bitumen.
2. You want a Japanese, not a european bike. They are stronger, cheaper, more reliable, easier to fix and parts are more readily available.

Garry from Oz.

[docsherlock]

.....the quote was for the S. American part of the trip, not the US; btw, riding without insurance is not wise IMHO and also rather selfish?

[lunapix]

Guys,

Thanks for the tips, i guess i will folow your advice and buy my bike in LA. Everything willl work out fine if i read from your experience.

Also, in my opinion asking dumb questions simply doesnt exist. Like i told you i've been looking this site for 2 weeks non stop and couldnt find the info you guys now could give me on one minute of work...

This site could be managed much better, but the fact its here is good enough.
if you look by country the USA isnt even in the list...

I believe this site is here as well for newbies and people looking for information.


Thanks for the info once again!


Any ideas for a good motorcycleshop in LA to fit my needs?





Grtz
Stijn

[mollydog]

Don't take the my "dumb questions" comment too seriously

[mollydog]

(add to all these various 80's vintage cruisers from 500cc to 850cc)

[lunapix]

Patrick THX A LOT!!!!

Nice info, just what we needed to know. I'll try to do as much research thru our Belgian LA contact. Problem is he is the creative director of TBWA/chiat day. So he's a very busy man. But we can use his adres to get things send over, etc. With your info we should be fine, the rest i can find out in here in tranquility now i know what to do concerning the bike. Big relief.

I hope i will be able to serve this site like you do after my trip. If everything goes fine i will have my driverslicence(final exam) on the 7th of april and i land in LA on the 15th. Am i breaking any record?

[strikingviking]

Originally Posted by Docsherlock

Buy new KLR650's in the USA, ride them back and sell before going home; far simpler, far cheaper (base price is $5600) and you will probably sell for $3-4000 when you get back. Spending $1300 USD on shipping (each way?) is just nuts. Six months of comprehensive insurance, albeit with 20% excess, is about $1500 USD but at least you can get it for US plated bike.

Good luck,

S

Darned good advice.

You may or may not be able to get by without the permanent title but border crossings are much easier with a "Pink Slip" in your name. This can be fast-tracked in California for an extra fee, but the quickest is Arizona. Temporary importation permit requirements can differ greatly at various borders within the same country, even Mexico, so be safe obtain permanent title before departing. Also, the DMV registration form Does request insurance information which they randomly check and that could bite you later if trying to renew.

Selling the bike is possible as many do exactly that but bear in mind, that many countries down south, DO indeed stamp your passport regarding the bike.

Equally important: when passing through Mazatlan, I always have a spare room for long-riders.

[lunapix]

Thx Viking,

If we pass there, good chance. we would be very happy to look you up!

I'll keep in touch.


Stijn