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Please under no circumstances consider a Pegaso. I bought one myself and it was the worst bike I have ever owned. I have had 5 Pegs of varying years from 95 onwards and they have always been good fire-road bikes, capable of a decent turn of speed and quite reliable other than a faulty water-pump, a common snag. They had a 5 valve rotax head instead of the 4 valve unit BMW fitted to the funduro. It made it a little quicker but cost more to run, either way it was still fine. The Cube was a great all rounder, faster than most bikes in the same class.
Eventually I bought the Trail. Different bike altogether. Build quality is absolutely appalling. My problems began with brake light switches going. The front crumbled into bits, the back snapped in half. I replaced them with upgraded switches. Next it fell off the stand at work (was pushed I think) and fell onto an old abandoned sofa. It tore off a mirror and did damage to the pegs. That worried me a lot, a tiny fall did a lot of damage and it fell on soft foam.
Then I used it through the winter and the engine finish peeled visibly off the bike. After that I tried to fit a power commander. Now on early bikes you have no choice, they simply will not run without it, later ones with 02 sensor you can't. Suddenly the bike stalled, died and never ran again. It intermittently showed fault codes for a failed temperature sensor and three other sensors as well as suddenly was not able to read the chip in the key. Then I found out on the various forums that this is a common fuel pump fault. The pump is 2 electric toy-car motors in a polythene bag. Nothing got it working but along the way I was horrified at the corners cut in the building of this bike. In the end a workaround fix was to kick the side of the tank where the pump was and yes, it ran again for an hour or so but when it rained the key sensor died. After doing some homework on the Aprillia forum this is a common fault, there are many more. The owners are oddly in love with their bikes but at one point the top 5 posts on the Pegaso forum was fuel pump failures.
I got burned on mine so please consider this when thinking of these bikes. They're also expensive to run, not as quick as an XT for some reason and the accessories are hard to find and Aprillia ones broke (mine did).
Your money is better spent elsewhere. I'm sorry for anyone who has one but when i did my homework trying to fix mine I found a lot out about these machines. 2 guys on the Aprillia forum used them to go over South America. 1 did break down several times.
Sorry guys... just don't do it...
I'm finding many posts from this individual on any forum mentioning Aprilia Pegaso's.

I've had mine for 3 years, and have not had a single issue with failures that were not brought on by my own abuse of the machine. And I ride the crap out of it on forestry trails. Suspension's too short for that, poor thing..... Also Paddy rode the old Rotax engined bike. Never owned one, so can't comment.

They're cheap because no-one knows about them as they're not marketed well. Other than that, for no great reason. The rear frame bolts need to be locktighted or they come loose. The fuel pump will fail around 30,000kms and is easily replaced with whatever, someone with some reasonable motor skills can adapt in a new pump from another machine as the factory one is small as it's designed to fit in with a fuel gauge on other models. Trail doesn't have a fuel gauge. The instrument cluster will take in steam from the exhaust if you go through water or wash it hot. It's a doddle to remove and seal it. If you don't, the cluster will fail.
The front forks are 45mm, larger than many others, and the bike doesn't look like a science experiment. The engine is the same 660cc Minarelli found in the current Tenere and pulls like a 15 year old boy. As with all bikes, free up the intake and exhaust and fit a PC3 and even better. The injection system works fine, some complain of a miss around 4,000RPM but mine doesn't have this issue. Brakes are good Brembo's.

I think you'll find there are more posts about G650 and F800 BMW failures than are any about Pegaso's, when considering them the trick is to make sure the 'drama' posts aren't from the same person........

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NOT AGAIN. is this where I should be.......... ?? thanks. john
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NOT AGAIN. is this where I should be.......... ?? thanks. john
If you're looking about information on Aprilia, you could ask here or on the manufacturer specific catagory.
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I'm finding many posts from this individual on any forum mentioning Aprilia Pegaso's.

I've had mine for 3 years, and have not had a single issue with failures that were not brought on by my own abuse of the machine. And I ride the crap out of it on forestry trails.
Yeah, but the next time you abuse it ´till it breaks down, why not try coming here on the net, and telling _your_ version of the story, how it happened (crappy machine/manufacturer/tyres/gear, etc - pick any one, or create your very own culprit here!)... a lot of people do that, so it surely must be relieving

Would be interesting to know, what percentage of all techical troubles with today´s bikes are actually caused by a user error, but claimed to be from something else.

The funniest case I´ve heard of, was probably a "rusty swingarm" on a 1250 Bandit, the owner was oh so furious at a dealership, it was a 6 months old bike, and he naturally wanted it covered under warranty. Had already spread his frustration around the web, too.

Turned out there was absolutely nothing wrong with the swingarm... but the chain was totally wasted after some 4-5000 kms. He didn´t know, that you´d have to lubricate it every once in a while! So the chain had rusted, and flakes had fallen on to the swingarm. I dont believe he got a new chain on warranty either.
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You're right, they're lightweight motorcycles and not tanks. I read some of the reviews for whitegoods before buying, you have to ignore a large percentage of the reviews due to numptiness......


And back to topic, the Aprilia is significantly cheaper out here, and I don't really see the Yam as the 'better' bike anyways, so my opinion is toward the Aprilia.
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This is the usual head-in-the-sand idiocy you get from pegaso owners. You always get the same rubbish, "i've got one, it's fine!" is their logical argument why you must have one. The forum is so full of stupidity I left, after reading about someone comparing his to a KTM duke and having no idea why the bike couldn't handle a 40% power increase I figured the best thing to do was leave them to it and let them kill themselves and strengthen the gene pool for the rest of us.
Simply my problems were common faults. Google them, search the forums. Do I hate these bikes, certainly. I would never buy Aprilia again. I have had 3 BMWs, 2 were rubbish. You have to shop around bike by bike, model by model to find a good machine. Interesting fact for the peg-boys, my G650 was built in the Aprilia factory to german specs at a price tag of twice the italian bikes and the quality shows. If it was assembled in China or Poland I wouldn't touch it, I wouldn't buy a Yamaha 660 because they're not assembled in Japan (Tenere is assembled in France and has major build quality issues.) There is homework to be done when buying a bike. Sad but true. No manufacturer can be trusted any more but there is not one Aprilia that can be trusted. The pegaso was a dire machine, you have one and that's your bad luck. I made the same mistake and lost a packet on it because I scrapped it, I would not sell a bike like that to a person in the same position as me.
To say the G650 fails more often is basically a childish response not backed up by any realistic evidence. There is a common fault in the water-pump but that is the older GS, not the X which has a slightly different engine. In fact the XT660 engine is old and crude. Expensive to run and pretty low on power. Ride the new BMW 650gs and see it's quicker and feels lighter even with less bhp, it also delivers an average 30% to 40% better fuel economy than the Peg. Mine is better than that, even when it was restricted to 33bhp when i first got it it was still quicker than the Peg and has not had 1 issue in a year. I'm not thinking of buying a BMW 650gs so have not done a lot of research so don't assume I'm suggeting you buy one.
Looking forward I have an idea we may be seeing a new Pegaso pretty soon. BMW have just brought out a new G650gs, the same exact bike as the old model and the same exact engine my old 95 and cubes were based on. I wouldn't be surprised if a new peg comes out based on this and I will watch with interest.
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*Yawn*

I guess we can all go and buy a POS bike from the auctions (that was probably was submerged by its prior owner and dumped there for some unsuspecting individual to get a 'bargain') then take it home and decide it's the worst pile of rubbish on the planet and then spout off how this one machine is the evidence required to prove the entire marque is made of old boots and cheese. Now THAT'S childish.
I don't actually have a soft spot for Aprilia. I just happened to pick one up cheap and it's been good. In fact, absolutely none of the issues others have had has affected mine at all. Sorry about that, I didn't mean to buy a good one and then dare to tell others and disprove your comments..........

So a dud was bought. Who's fault is that? As for comparing these things to a KTM, I agree that's being silly. But if you're after a cheap DP to see if this is the style of bike you're after, it's an inexpensive place to start. Or you could spend more on something else, it's up to you!

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No. Learn to read. I have had 5 pegs. The latest one is a dud, they fall to bits due to being built to a cost. Whatever other crap you just spouted came from your head. Do some research and if you're serious about bikes then buy a serious bike. Aprilia don't even take this machine seriously.
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Seriously, you bought a turd. Then you were silly enough to take it to your local church to have it exorcised before dismembering it. Brilliant stuff. 30-40% better fuel economy from other bikes? Surely that was a give away that you had a sensor failure in the EFI?

Back to the question the thread was asking: I bought my Trail at an insurance auction. It came with a broken front guard, scratches, bent forks, bent bars, snapped radiator bracket and the steering stop busted off the lower tree, all this from the previous owner running out of talent with under 6,000kms on it. Fixed it, goes well and now has 28,000kms on it. And that's pure, unadulterated, fact.

I'm waiting for stuff to fail, and other than my instruments getting a bit of condensation from a creek crossing, nothing has. Nothing at all. By the account prior, I should have been attacked by demons and had my balls blowtorched just by riding it. So what am I doing wrong!? Why won't the f'n thing break!? The internet says it should, so why won't it!?

I only chose this thing due to it being so cheap I can treat it the way I want and not give a rats. It's working out just fine for me. If you prefer BMW/KTM/Yamaha it's entirely up to the individual. I'd prefer a KTM, but I won't get one this cheap.

Anyways, that'll do for me and I wish all to enjoy whatever bike they choose. And when buying second hand, remember caveat emptor. Often what you're buying isn't quite what left the factory........

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Come along now gents !! Just because I started this thread doesn't mean it needs to turn into a bitch slap ..

There is A LOT of truth in what JTW000 about bike owners with their rose tinted glasses on..

You just can't tell some owners that the bike that they researched, tested , saved for and road tested is a poorly made piece of sh*t.. That is RIFE in the hubb along with most bike/car/4x4 forums..

You only need to mention "BMW" and "problem" in the same sentence on some forums and you might as well be trying to sell Hotdogs at a Jewish wedding.

It's very hard to get a subjective opinion on any lesuire product without stiring a lot of emotion. You have to look at the machine as a tool and not your pride and joy..

By no means am I applying this directly to "notagain"....

I know a lot about Aprilia. I used to sell them .. The build quality is shocking on most of their models. I only considered buying the Peg because it was £1000 cheaper than it's rivals. After a lot of owner reviews from MANY sources it does seem they're riddled with problems and not worth my effort.

That doesn't mean that some of them don't last very well and have zero problems for their whole life.
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Agreed, and I sure won't be referring to mine as a pride and joy any time soon and I would be more than happy to report it had given trouble. It's just that it hasn't. One could take from that they're not all bad? Just putting it out there.....
But if the Yammie is totally faultless, then even if it's that much dearer, why not buy that?

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Agreed, and I sure won't be referring to mine as a pride and joy any time soon and I would be more than happy to report it had given trouble. It's just that it hasn't. One could take from that they're not all bad? Just putting it out there.....
But if the Yammie is totally faultless, then even if it's that much dearer, why not buy that?
There ain't a bike out there which is totally faultless...

You just need to weigh up the pro's and cons of the bikes and how hard it would be to fix that issue, if and when it occurs !

I'd rather travel on a Pegaso which I can fix with a 20 min fuel pump change than an older F650 that I have to take half apart to change the water pump.
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If you're going to prep a bike then on an F650gs you simply swap out out the water pump. The Aprilia fuel pump is £600. You can actually buy a servicable XT600 for that money.
All bikes have some issues. The Tenere has several problems, build quality, rectifier and cam chain. The guys using them for touring expect them to be dead at 20000 miles. Great for a company, not so great for us. Refinish it and sort the issues and it's a good bike.
BMW do not generally make good bikes. This is a fact. The singles were good, the F800gs and the R1200gs are riddled with issues and simply not good bikes. I've had both, both gave trouble, when researching I found more and more problems. The bike I have has a whole different set of problems but I bought it because none of them were mechanical. Issues with mine were silly costs when new, tiny fuel tank, rubbish suspension and availabilty of parts. I've had to address that.
The pegaso has an insane amount of issues, it's built to a cost and heavily compromised as I discovered.
The best all-rounder is the F650gs single, ideally the Dakar. For my money, the earlier ones with carbs, nice and easy to work on, cheap to run and reliable but it's not the best, all bikes are a compromise in some way. Personally I would rather compromise cost and pay a bit more for quality and peace of mind and now the BMW X range is actually very cheap to buy so an all-round result. not that it's right for everyone, it needs a lot of money spent to make it a viable travel machine. That was my preferred choice. Just whatever you do please discount the Peg. It's a pig.
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Tenere is assembled in France and has major build quality issues.) .
Oh dear, how can I put this ?

Erm, No, and no it doesn't.

It is assembled in Spain (earlier models were done in Italy). Production is MOVING to france.

I'm afraid your heresay falls short of reality.
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Just to stir up the beehive again, my mate has just returned from 42,000 miles RTW on an 08 Tenere. He is a novice mechanically, fairly new to riding and not too anal about servicing etc. His bike needed new headstock bearings a couple of new chain and sprocket kits and 3 sets of Metzeler Tourances. I know what my next bike will be!
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