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mr moto 8 Jul 2010 12:31

New Triumph ADV bike
 
Now this is looking very interesting indeed . One road bike and another version with spoked off road wheels , and the front looks like a 21 inch .
Triumph Adventure

*Touring Ted* 8 Jul 2010 12:40

Nice tyres... thats all i could see !! lol.

Id love triumph to do a decent adventure bike...

tex999 9 Jul 2010 21:49

here "S hoping this could be my next ride, should hopefully be sub 10000 and knowing hinckley they will have done their homework, bring it on.:clap:

Mickey D 10 Jul 2010 04:02

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Originally Posted by mr moto (Post 296199)
Now this is looking very interesting indeed . One road bike and another version with spoked off road wheels , and the front looks like a 21 inch .
Triumph Adventure

Rumors abound on Triumph's new bikes. Bloor admits some new bikes coming. Unclear what sized engines (675, 800 or new version of 1050) New Tiger Cub or something else? Dealers seem to have info, but none of their stories seem to match up. I call them rumors for that reason. I've yet to hear direct info for anyone working for Triumph currently.

Rumors claim two different versions, one more off road based ... hopefully with a 21" front. Other bike more street based. All this is public knowledge.
Rumors of a big Sport tourer as well.
I believe we may learn more at the Milan Show in the Fall.

Hard to believe Triumph would risk releasing new models when their sales are in the toilet. Bloor is a very smart guy. My guess is these could be put on hold. They can't sell what they've got on showroom floors. New bikes won't help much .... at least not in this depression.

IMO, a 675 Adventure bike, if done correctly, could be a good seller for Triumph in a good economy. But you never know.

The Bike business is in deep depression in the USA. Hopefully better in the EU, UK? But my guess is since we have the disease it will spread to the UK and EU. It won't kill us ... but will probably kill at least some of the rest of the world. Sorry 'bout that! :helpsmilie:

thephantom 22 Jul 2010 14:18

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Originally Posted by Mickey D (Post 296432)
Rumors abound on Triumph's new bikes. Bloor admits some new bikes coming. Unclear what sized engines (675, 800 or new version of 1050) New Tiger Cub or something else? Dealers seem to have info, but none of their stories seem to match up. I call them rumors for that reason. I've yet to hear direct info for anyone working for Triumph currently.

Rumors claim two different versions, one more off road based ... hopefully with a 21" front. Other bike more street based. All this is public knowledge.
Rumors of a big Sport tourer as well.
I believe we may learn more at the Milan Show in the Fall.

Hard to believe Triumph would risk releasing new models when their sales are in the toilet. Bloor is a very smart guy. My guess is these could be put on hold. They can't sell what they've got on showroom floors. New bikes won't help much .... at least not in this depression.

IMO, a 675 Adventure bike, if done correctly, could be a good seller for Triumph in a good economy. But you never know.

The Bike business is in deep depression in the USA. Hopefully better in the EU, UK? But my guess is since we have the disease it will spread to the UK and EU. It won't kill us ... but will probably kill at least some of the rest of the world. Sorry 'bout that! :helpsmilie:

Triumph are selling very well in the UK and Europe. They have actually topped the monthly sales charts in the UK a couple of times this year.

This bike isn't a rumour, it's currently undergoing final testing (see this week's MCN) and various details will be unveiled on the website before the showing at the EICMA show in Milan this autumn.

What the rumours keep coming back to is: two versions, both based on a 675 engine (possibly bored out to 800cc). One version is road-oriented with 17" wheels, road tuned suspension, etc. The other is off-road oriented, with spoked wheels, a 19" or 21" front and longer suspension travel.

If they can keep the price down below BMW levels, they may have a success on their hands.

Mickey D 28 Jul 2010 18:49

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Originally Posted by thephantom (Post 298202)
What the rumours keep coming back to is: two versions, both based on a 675 engine (possibly bored out to 800cc). One version is road-oriented with 17" wheels, road tuned suspension, etc. The other is off-road oriented, with spoked wheels, a 19" or 21" front and longer suspension travel.

If they can keep the price down below BMW levels, they may have a success on their hands.

Well, we shall know the truth soon enough. :D
Triumph have done better than most others in this depression in the USA, but sales are still slow. I talk to dealers here in California. Where California goes ... the rest of the country (and often the world) follow.

Things are tough here, dealers dropping like flies. Things are not getting much better despite the spin. And don't blame Obama, this is all a Bush thing pure and simple.

I agree if the price point of the new "tiger cub" is priced right it will do well
here in California. Which means the rest of the nation will catch on to it in 2 to 3 years.

motoreiter 29 Jul 2010 04:16

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Originally Posted by Mickey D (Post 298987)
And don't blame Obama, this is all a Bush thing pure and simple.

Thanks for this helpful contribution to this thread!

motoreiter 29 Jul 2010 07:42

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Originally Posted by Mickey D (Post 299033)
If you have some facts, experience or wisdom about these new Triumphs then lets here it ... otherwise ... :tt2:

Couldn't have said it better myself.

adrian74 5 Aug 2010 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey D (Post 296432)
Rumors abound on Triumph's new bikes. Bloor admits some new bikes coming. Unclear what sized engines (675, 800 or new version of 1050) New Tiger Cub or something else? Dealers seem to have info, but none of their stories seem to match up. I call them rumors for that reason. I've yet to hear direct info for anyone working for Triumph currently.

Rumors claim two different versions, one more off road based ... hopefully with a 21" front. Other bike more street based. All this is public knowledge.
Rumors of a big Sport tourer as well.
I believe we may learn more at the Milan Show in the Fall.

Hard to believe Triumph would risk releasing new models when their sales are in the toilet. Bloor is a very smart guy. My guess is these could be put on hold. They can't sell what they've got on showroom floors. New bikes won't help much .... at least not in this depression.

IMO, a 675 Adventure bike, if done correctly, could be a good seller for Triumph in a good economy. But you never know.

The Bike business is in deep depression in the USA. Hopefully better in the EU, UK? But my guess is since we have the disease it will spread to the UK and EU. It won't kill us ... but will probably kill at least some of the rest of the world. Sorry 'bout that! :helpsmilie:

There is no Milan show this year for Triumph, its Cologne instead.
Triumph sales are far from in the toilet in UK at least, they broke all sales targets for the year up to June and they were market leaders for April May and June this year so far, no info on July yet.
I know of a few dealers in the south of the UK who are pumping out new Triumph Sprint ST's and Bonny's as quickly as they can get their hands on them, and quite a few Thunderbirds aswell.
There also quite an order list for the new GT 1050.
Based on this information I dont think its really a risk for them to release new models at the moment, and I reckon they have got a lot more than new adventure bikes up their sleeve.
Its very true that the USA is pretty screwed at the moment and its going to take many years for it to find its feet again, thus making it low on the list of priorities for some manufacturers (apart from selling their cruisers)
In the mean time most of Europe and the UK are slowly getting back on their feet and getting on with it.
For this reason a lot of large company's (including motorcycle) and governments look at the USA as being a bit of a dead duck/has been, right now and people are looking toword the new massive economy's of India and China to promote their goods in.

Mickey D 6 Aug 2010 00:17

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Originally Posted by adrian74 (Post 299951)
There is no Milan show this year for Triumph, its Cologne instead. Triumph sales are far from in the toilet in UK at least, they broke all sales targets for the year up to June and they were market leaders for April May and June this year so far, no info on July yet.
I know of a few dealers in the south of the UK who are pumping out new Triumph Sprint ST's and Bonny's as quickly as they can get their hands on them, and quite a few Thunderbirds aswell.
There also quite an order list for the new GT 1050.
Based on this information I dont think its really a risk for them to release new models at the moment, and I reckon they have got a lot more than new adventure bikes up their sleeve.
Its very true that the USA is pretty screwed at the moment and its going to take many years for it to find its feet again, thus making it low on the list of priorities for some manufacturers (apart from selling their cruisers)
In the mean time most of Europe and the UK are slowly getting back on their feet and getting on with it.
For this reason a lot of large company's (including motorcycle) and governments look at the USA as being a bit of a dead duck/has been, right now and people are looking toword the new massive economy's of India and China to promote their goods in.

I can never keep the big show straight ... Milan/Cologne ... I can never remember ... I thought it was Munich? If I lived in Europe I'd pop over and check it out. We have nothing even close to that show and your BMF show is 10 times better than our annual Cycle World show. (I attended BMF in '03)

I should have specified US market with my "in the toilet" comment. But I'm really surprised at Triumph's numbers in the UK, I knew they were claiming good numbers but didn't realize they were breaking records. Can Triumph survive on the UK market alone? :innocent: Funny, the old Meriden BSA group did the same thing right before they folded in the late 70's "... oh, things are going smashingly chaps" then they grabbed all the money and slipped out the back door and left it with the receivers. (UK taxpayers)

How are they doing world wide I wonder? Germany have always been big Triumph buyers (at one point, Triumph's #1 customer) Any figures on Triumph sales in Germany the last year? The US dealers I know are not happy with Triumph in general. Neither in my area are wild about the Rocket lll or Thunderbird ... but they do admit selling a few 'Birds at least.

The UK handled the market crash/bank meltdown with far more intelligence than the US and your recovery reflects this. (Nationalization of certain banks and other policies the US did NOT do) Since you have no auto industry (apart from F-1 !!), you didn't have to worry about putting out of work 250,000 Auto workers and the thousands of ancillary industries that support the industry.

But the worst of this may be yet to come .... Still lots of fiddling behind the scenes from what I can tell.

No question the OEM's are looking at China and India, and too right, the US market is presently dead. No credit available for younger riders, Insurance too high, prices WAY up for everything.

But the US still can figure big in Triumph's future if things ever do turn around. But the Baby Boomers are getting old and there is really no next generation to replace them in any where close to Boomer numbers.

While its good news that Triumph sales are booming the UK I seriously doubt Triumph can survive on the tiny UK market alone. France have 5 times the number of bikes on the road the UK do. Germany and Italy show more bikes sales than the UK.

Triumph claim to have only have 2% of the US market. When sales in the US pick up again the US could easily be the number one market for Triumph products.

Triumph have done a poor job with their dealers in the US, but at least they are still advertising and the bikes are more well known than ever and very highly regarded. Getting Americans to actually BUY is the trick.

Industry stats for the US show the Adventure/Dual Sport segment one the few areas where sales are not totally dead. So good move for Triumph. I hope they handle it well and hope they can take back a piece of BMW's sales in the Adventure class. :thumbup1:

adrian74 7 Aug 2010 11:20

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Originally Posted by Mickey D (Post 299956)
I can never keep the big show straight ... Milan/Cologne ... I can never remember ... I thought it was Munich? If I lived in Europe I'd pop over and check it out. We have nothing even close to that show and your BMF show is 10 times better than our annual Cycle World show. (I attended BMF in '03)

I should have specified US market with my "in the toilet" comment. But I'm really surprised at Triumph's numbers in the UK, I knew they were claiming good numbers but didn't realize they were breaking records. Can Triumph survive on the UK market alone? :innocent: Funny, the old Meriden BSA group did the same thing right before they folded in the late 70's "... oh, things are going smashingly chaps" then they grabbed all the money and slipped out the back door and left it with the receivers. (UK taxpayers)

How are they doing world wide I wonder? Germany have always been big Triumph buyers (at one point, Triumph's #1 customer) Any figures on Triumph sales in Germany the last year? The US dealers I know are not happy with Triumph in general. Neither in my area are wild about the Rocket lll or Thunderbird ... but they do admit selling a few 'Birds at least.

The UK handled the market crash/bank meltdown with far more intelligence than the US and your recovery reflects this. (Nationalization of certain banks and other policies the US did NOT do) Since you have no auto industry (apart from F-1 !!), you didn't have to worry about putting out of work 250,000 Auto workers and the thousands of ancillary industries that support the industry.

But the worst of this may be yet to come .... Still lots of fiddling behind the scenes from what I can tell.

No question the OEM's are looking at China and India, and too right, the US market is presently dead. No credit available for younger riders, Insurance too high, prices WAY up for everything.

But the US still can figure big in Triumph's future if things ever do turn around. But the Baby Boomers are getting old and there is really no next generation to replace them in any where close to Boomer numbers.

While its good news that Triumph sales are booming the UK I seriously doubt Triumph can survive on the tiny UK market alone. France have 5 times the number of bikes on the road the UK do. Germany and Italy show more bikes sales than the UK.

Triumph claim to have only have 2% of the US market. When sales in the US pick up again the US could easily be the number one market for Triumph products.

Triumph have done a poor job with their dealers in the US, but at least they are still advertising and the bikes are more well known than ever and very highly regarded. Getting Americans to actually BUY is the trick.

Industry stats for the US show the Adventure/Dual Sport segment one the few areas where sales are not totally dead. So good move for Triumph. I hope they handle it well and hope they can take back a piece of BMW's sales in the Adventure class. :thumbup1:

Im not sure about how well they are doing in Germany but I do know that the Germans are really fond of the Triumph brand and the Sprint ST has won some fairly big awards over there.

Its interesting that France has 5 times more bikes on the road than the UK as I have heard Triumph claim that they sell 5 times more bikes in France than in the UK, which If true I think is pretty impressive.
Triumph have recently told their dealers to make extra showroom space and have also upped their sales targets as they believe the new bikes are going to be big sellers.
Heres hoping it all works out for them.

AliBaba 7 Aug 2010 11:53

I think it will be released at EICMA

Triumph enduro 2011 video

http://actiontouring.com/pic/tr4.jpg

It will be interesting to see what's happening, so far only BMW and Triumph sells better then last year (in Norway).

*Touring Ted* 7 Aug 2010 12:11

I pulled a few stills off that youtube vid...

21" Front wheel, twin front discs, spokes, short front mudguard (sm like), screen, Led rear lights, high level silencer, looks like a narrow seat, small pathetic mirrors. Also looks like a 17" rear wheel (to be expected)..

I do love the front end on it.. Knarly like the Speed triple.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/t...m/Triumpgh.jpg

Jake 7 Aug 2010 16:41

According to a Triumph release two days ago - it is going to be a triple as they deem this smoother and a more adaptable engine for an adventure bike !, it will have - ''high speed motorway ability but retain good low down torque for lower speed gravel roads''. That to me suggests another big bike aimed at taking on the new Yamaha Tenere or gs 1200 not a lightweight usable adventure bike that many people on this site would want or prefer. Maybe another Chelsea tractor rather than a focused, trimmed down adventure bike. I wait with bated breath to see if Triumph are able to rise to the challenge of creating something different, something applicable to the term Adventure bike and actually mean it or will they as I suspect - pass up the chance of building a unique, lightweight and usable adventure machine and just follow the pack with something bigger faster and prettier than all the other Adventure bikes - nothing more than a dressed up tourer - I hope I am wrong.

Mickey D 8 Aug 2010 05:20

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Originally Posted by adrian74 (Post 300160)
Im not sure about how well they are doing in Germany but I do know that the Germans are really fond of the Triumph brand and the Sprint ST has won some fairly big awards over there.

Its interesting that France has 5 times more bikes on the road than the UK as I have heard Triumph claim that they sell 5 times more bikes in France than in the UK, which If true I think is pretty impressive.
Triumph have recently told their dealers to make extra showroom space and have also upped their sales targets as they believe the new bikes are going to be big sellers.
Heres hoping it all works out for them.

I got the France info from something Alan Cathcart wrote a year or so back. He knows the industry fairly well. It was either 5 times more bikes or 8 times (can't recall). I was shocked by this figure, always assuming the UK had more bikes on the road. Not even close.

Since I've toured France twice (6 weeks each time) on my former Tiger, I had my French friend make a list of all Triumph dealers in France. You wouldn't believe it. Must have been 50 of them. (this in '03) I was shocked. I saw exactly two Triumphs in my travels there. (outside of dealers showrooms) Visiting bike meets, shows and ride outs. I visited a few dealers just for fun. One Yam/Triumph dealer let me ride the then brand new FJR1300. I tried to refuse ... he insisted. Good bike! While I was out they mounted a new rear tire for me. France is great ... just don't try to do anything on a Catholic holiday. Shut Shut Shut. (only the Donar Kebabs are open :D )


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