Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Technical, Bike forums > Triumph Tech Forum

Triumph Tech Forum Triumph Tech Forum - For Questions specific and of interest to Triumph riders only. Questions comparing which bike is best etc go in the "Which Bike" forum.
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 8 Aug 2010
Contributing Vendor
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
Posts: 973
Quote:
Originally Posted by adventure950 View Post
That to me suggests another big bike aimed at taking on the new Yamaha Tenere or gs 1200 not a lightweight usable adventure bike that many people on this site would want or prefer. Maybe another Chelsea tractor rather than a focused, trimmed down adventure bike. I wait with bated breath to see if Triumph are able to rise to the challenge of creating something different, something applicable to the term Adventure bike and actually mean it or will they as I suspect - pass up the chance of building a unique, lightweight and usable adventure machine and just follow the pack with something bigger faster and prettier than all the other Adventure bikes - nothing more than a dressed up tourer - I hope I am wrong.
That pretty much sums up my expectations.

Regrettably, despite probably being truer to the ideal of an Adventure bike, I think our collective wishes, needs and preferences are waaaaaaay down the list of prorities for a bike company who have or will invest £$£$ in a development program.

The only adventure bike that has sparked my interest for its potential recently was the new Ténéré 660 a couple of years back.
__________________
Adventure: it's an experience, not a style!
(so ride what you like, but ride it somewhere new!)
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 8 Aug 2010
Contributing Vendor
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
Posts: 973
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey D View Post
France is great ... just don't try to do anything on a Catholic holiday. Shut Shut Shut.
Make that any Sunday or Monday, particularly "en province": time off is taken very seriously over there!!
__________________
Adventure: it's an experience, not a style!
(so ride what you like, but ride it somewhere new!)
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 8 Aug 2010
adrian74's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: U.K.
Posts: 120
I dont think its going to be much if any bigger than 800cc, the side casings in the pics look like a 675 and also the 1050 triple is getting very long in the tooth now and it would be difficult for it to meet stringent new Euro 4 noise and emission laws.
I would imagine Triumph will probably release a 1200 triple in the near future but we will see that in a tourer first and maybe later on in a larger adv bike?
Also Triumph will be trying to keep costs low on this new bike, im guessing 7 to 8 grand stg.
This would be hard to do if they are using a newly designed engine, which is why I think they will use a stroked version of the 675 (common Triumph practice) with similiar casings and cyl head etc.
The 675 has been subtly developed over the past 4 years to make it quiter/cleaner etc to the point that many of the internals from a 2006 675 motor will not fit into a 2010 675 motor, even though they look virtually identical from the outside. Whereas the 1050 motor has not.

I spent 8 days riding around France last year and was amazed at the amount of BMW tourers and Triumphs (mostly bonny's and Tigers) I met on the roads over there, I hadnt expected to see so many.

And the whole closing businesses on a Sunday/holy thing is pretty common across Europe, allways has been.
I really hope this turns out to be a great bike, I would be tempted to buy one if it is.
__________________
My trip to Millau (France) and back 2009.http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...u-france-43474
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 9 Aug 2010
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey D View Post
How are they doing world wide I wonder? Germany have always been big Triumph buyers (at one point, Triumph's #1 customer) Any figures on Triumph sales in Germany the last year? The US dealers I know are not happy with Triumph in general. Neither in my area are wild about the Rocket lll or Thunderbird ... but they do admit selling a few 'Birds at least.
According to this:

Triumph Tops UK Sales | Ash On Bikes

The UK buys under one fifth of Triumph's output. They are now bigger than Ducati (in terms of bike production), nearly as bike as KTM and around half the size of BMW.

One of the things that has kept them afloat in the UK is exchange rates. The £ has been weak against other currencies, so anything imported (like a Honda, or a Ducati) has gone up in price. Triumph were already fairly reasonably priced, but now many models look like a real bargain compared to competitors offerings that cost 15-20% more.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 9 Aug 2010
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warthog View Post
The only adventure bike that has sparked my interest for its potential recently was the new Ténéré 660 a couple of years back.
What do you like about the Ténéré 660? And particularly, what advantages do you think it has over (the current info on) the Triumph 800.

Not a trick question, just interested in your opinion.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 9 Aug 2010
Contributing Vendor
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
Posts: 973
Quote:
Originally Posted by thephantom View Post
What do you like about the Ténéré 660? And particularly, what advantages do you think it has over (the current info on) the Triumph 800.

Not a trick question, just interested in your opinion.
Weight, tank size and not draped in relatively useless stuff that is essentially for show and little else. I like function over form if pushed to chose...

It is not a feather, by any accounts, but it is pretty light for a bike that you can essentially get on and ride straight off. Other singles that seem popular, such as the DR 650 are no doubt good, but they lack a fairing, FI (which is an advantage despite the CPU fears sometimes expressed) as well as tank capacity.

The 800GS fairs well in terms of weight, but lacks that tank size. The Yam's price is also good, although it has gone up since its release, and every penny not spent on a bike can go on accessories or, better still, miles.

More importantly, most of the first hand accounts I've read or heard have been positive and that carries more weight than a spec sheet.

Compared to the Triumph? Hard to say because most of what has been written here is hearsay and speculation: Triumph have hardly been forthcoming, it seems. That for me sounds like trying to big-up the hype before a release, but the lack of specs is maybe because it will be another road bike in Enduro clothing.

I'm not saying it won't be good, but I don't think it will be what many on here hope as our needs don't sell bikes for the majority of the customer base.

Ultimately, this is my own hearsay and speculation as I have never ridden any myself.
__________________
Adventure: it's an experience, not a style!
(so ride what you like, but ride it somewhere new!)
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 9 Aug 2010
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warthog View Post
Weight, tank size and not draped in relatively useless stuff that is essentially for show and little else. I like function over form if pushed to chose...

It is not a feather, by any accounts, but it is pretty light for a bike that you can essentially get on and ride straight off. Other singles that seem popular, such as the DR 650 are no doubt good, but they lack a fairing, FI (which is an advantage despite the CPU fears sometimes expressed) as well as tank capacity.

The 800GS fairs well in terms of weight, but lacks that tank size. The Yam's price is also good, although it has gone up since its release, and every penny not spent on a bike can go on accessories or, better still, miles.

More importantly, most of the first hand accounts I've read or heard have been positive and that carries more weight than a spec sheet.

Compared to the Triumph? Hard to say because most of what has been written here is hearsay and speculation: Triumph have hardly been forthcoming, it seems. That for me sounds like trying to big-up the hype before a release, but the lack of specs is maybe because it will be another road bike in Enduro clothing.

I'm not saying it won't be good, but I don't think it will be what many on here hope as our needs don't sell bikes for the majority of the customer base.

Ultimately, this is my own hearsay and speculation as I have never ridden any myself.
I also like the look of the Tenere 660, but for me the achilles heel is the road performance. Any offroad riding I do will be preceded by at least 2-3 hours of road riding, and the single isn't much fun at motorway speeds.

The biggest question in my mind about the new Triumph is the ground clearance. I think that on weight, tank size and price the new bike will be competitive, but they may have to keep the engine a bit lower to avoid a 'too high' CoG.

The Tenere was priced very keenly (at least in the UK) in it's first year, but the yen exchange rate hasn't been favourable to it, and it's now looking rather expensive.

We'll have to see what Triumph unveil in October, but if they can keep the weight, complexity and price down, I think they might be onto a winner. Certainly having two versions is a good move, since they go for the V-Strom and F800GS markets at the same time.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 9 Aug 2010
Mickey D's Avatar
Moderated Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: California
Posts: 514
Ground Clearance and Weight

I'm thinking Triumph can solve the ground clearance issue in two ways:

1. Suspension
By adding travel, ground clearance will be increased. It's likely one of the models may use a 21" or 19" wheel. This too will raise ground clearance a bit. I'm hoping Triumph give this bike at least 10" of travel. A heavy-ish bike needs long travel to work off road. My DR650 single has 8" of travel and is STILL the lowest stock dual sport single in production.

2. Rather than move the motor UP, Triumph could do what the most innovative off road bike manufacturers are now doing: Tipping the motor either forward (a la Husaberg) or back (a la the new Yamaha YZ450F)

Husaberg and Yamaha did this for handling reasons, shifting COG and mass centralization. Also, keep in mind, raising the COG really lightens up the handling feel of a bike. A low COG means slow but stable handling. In the last ten years race and sport bikes have all raised up the motors and the COG to quicken/lighten handling. This true with off road bikes as well.

If Triumph simply build a Faux off road Adventure bike, suitable only for the Cafe circuit, them none of this matters. If they desire to make a true "do-it-all" travel bike, then other problems must be addressed.

The 675 motor is ideal due to it's super light weight and small size. It's much smaller and lighter than either the F800GS or DL650 Vstrom motor.
In fact, it probably weighs less than my DR650 motor, now a 14 year old design.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 11 Aug 2010
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey D View Post
I'm thinking Triumph can solve the ground clearance issue in two ways:
Some good ideas there for sure.

Quote:
If Triumph simply build a Faux off road Adventure bike, suitable only for the Cafe circuit, them none of this matters. If they desire to make a true "do-it-all" travel bike, then other problems must be addressed.
I'm hoping that they aren't building a bike for the cafe adventurer. In some respects the bigger Tiger 1050 (which has a shaft-drive 1200cc replacement rumoured to be coming in the next 2 years) means that the on road-adventure market is already covered.

I would expect the 800cc bike to be far more like the 800cc GS, ideally with a bit more power and a bit less weight.

What gives me hope is that the Daytona 675 (which has an alu frame) weighs 185Kg wet.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 13 Aug 2010
Selous's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: England
Posts: 420
mm as i am a short ar*ed guy 5ft 5 the BM F650GS i the right size the 800 too tall & high the 12 is ideal for a giant who is a rugby player,

Yam to tall by all accounts like to have a ride,
KLM adventure ditto and heavy
Triumph the Tiger ditto for bm & klm I just hope it is adventure bike to kick the germans with compertion
__________________
We are the Pilgrims, Master, we shall go Always a little further: it may be beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow, Across that angry or that glimmering sea.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 2 Sep 2010
wuming's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: london
Posts: 271
Well, the new Tiger 800 is getting closer and the drip feed from Triumph/MCN continues. Interesting to note the endless pages of speculation about it on ADVrider, while Hubbers have little to say about it. Is this because HUBB people are actually waiting to see the bike before passing judgement? Another reason I prefer the HUBB.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 2 Sep 2010
Tim Cullis's Avatar
Moderator
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Putney, SW London
Posts: 1,370
Yesterday's MCN had a pile of data and pictures of the bike but didn't include the one bit of info I was interested in, which is whether the spoked wheels allowed tubeless tyres (a la 1200GS, Yam S10).
__________________
"For sheer delight there is nothing like altitude; it gives one the thrill of adventure
and enlarges the world in which you live,"
Irving Mather (1892-1966)

Access the Morocco Knowledgebase
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 2 Sep 2010
AliBaba's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
Posts: 1,363
More "info":
YouTube - 2011 Triumph Tiger 800 3rd teaser official video
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 2 Sep 2010
AliBaba's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
Posts: 1,363
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Cullis View Post
which is whether the spoked wheels allowed tubeless tyres (a la 1200GS, Yam S10).
It's hard to tell forom the video, but it doesn't look tubeless.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 2 Sep 2010
Mickey D's Avatar
Moderated Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: California
Posts: 514
Most Tubeless spooked wheels are expensive and soft. Will be interesting to see if Triumph end up using them as it will add to MSRP price. I believe only Behr and Akront make these and I think Behr own the patent.

John Bloor resisted going with these "cross spoke" type wheels on earlier Tigers because Behr wanted a hefty licensing fee. Both BMW and Aprilia use this wheel under license.

Early versions were soft, dented easily in off road use. Perhaps later ones are stronger? The standard GS BMW no longer uses them. Note: the F800GS uses standard Steel spoked wheels. Heavy but strong.

The last year of the 955i Tiger (2006) Triumph finally gave the Tiger cast Alu tubeless wheels. Customers had bitched about the spoked tube type wheels since day one ... took them 11 years to finally provide a "fix". Triumph no doubt lost thousands of sales because the Tigers had tubes, owners couldn't be bothered.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mt first Triumph dino76 Triumph Tech Forum 11 1 Jul 2009 00:34
Triumph Thruxton robc990 Triumph Tech Forum 3 7 Jan 2008 10:16
My first Triumph(again) dino76 Triumph Tech Forum 5 17 May 2007 03:31
Triumph or not!!!! muzz Triumph Tech Forum 17 19 May 2006 20:51
Triumph or not!!!! muzz Which Bike? 9 17 Dec 2005 19:07

 
 
 

NEW! HU 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar is now available! Get your copy now for some terrific travel inspiration!

HUGE, 11.5 x 16.5 inches, beautifully printed in Germany on top quality stock! Photos are the winning images from over 600 entries in the 9th Annual HU Photo Contest!

Horizons Unlimited 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar.

"The calendar is magnificent!"

"I just wanted to say how much I'm loving the new, larger calendar!"

We share the profit with the winning photographers. YOU could be in the HU Calendar too - enter here!

Next HU Eventscalendar

See all events

 

HU DVD Autumn Special!

Take 40% off Road Heroes Part 1 until October 31 only!

Road Heroes features tales of adventure, joy and sheer terror by veteran travellers Peter and Kay Forwood (193 countries two-up on a Harley); Dr. Greg Frazier (5 times RTW); Tiffany Coates (RTW solo female); and Rene Cormier (University of Gravel Roads).

The first in an exciting new series, Road Heroes features tales of adventure, joy and sheer terror by veteran travellers."Inspiring and hilarious!"

"I loved watching this DVD!"

"Lots of amazing stories and even more amazing photographs, it's great fun and very inspirational."

"Wonderful entertainment!"

Check it out at the HU Store! Remember to use Coupon Code 'HEROES' on your order when you checkout.



Scottoiler automatic chain oilers. The most important accessory for your next motorcycle adventure!


Renedian Adventures


Renedian Adventures

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!


New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.


Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:04.