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Because you're far more likely to get what you need using the phone. Emails are rarely responded to. Even an email works in this specific case, you might as well get in the habit of phoning instead if you're determined to arrange everything in advance.

Probably you'll find that you need to actually show up to accomplish anything, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong about that. You sound like you know what you want and are accustomed to getting your way. This might not work very well in Latin America or Africa.

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I do not speak English well enough to hold a phone conversation.
In addition, the email remains a trace of a phone no.
In an email I ask exactly everything I need and I can get a precise answer: in a phone no.
I've always organized my travels by email (eg ferry from Russia to Korea and Japan), even for visas to take my Italian travel agent I use the email (over the phone) because there are so less chance of errors .
Just because I do not trust the accuracy of people who do not know, this is one more reason to use the email. If a person does not answer me by email, for me it is not reliable and I waste.
Finally, I can be very insistent.
PS: From Brazil today has already received a response.
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PS: From Brazil today has already received a response.
Fine with me. I'll look forward to hearing how it all works out.

Worth consideration: folks here are answering your questions based on their direct experience. When someone tells you Buenos Aires is easier, you argue. When someone tells you to phone, not email, you argue. Now, maybe you're right on all counts and everyone else is wrong.....but then again maybe not.

I argue with people more experienced than myself all the time. I've found that very often they're correct, and I do better when I listen. That's just me, so take it for whatever it's worth.

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Fine with me. I'll look forward to hearing how it all works out.

Worth consideration: folks here are answering your questions based on their direct experience. When someone tells you Buenos Aires is easier, you argue. When someone tells you to phone, not email, you argue. Now, maybe you're right on all counts and everyone else is wrong.....but then again maybe not.

I argue with people more experienced than myself all the time. I've found that very often they're correct, and I do better when I listen. That's just me, so take it for whatever it's worth.

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In here there are people who have more experience than me in travel outside Europe and thank you for the advice.
My experience as a road trip is limited to all the countries of Europe, half of Asia and North Africa.
I do not pretend to teach those who have traveled to South America what is best.
But one thing I've learned in 14 years and 750,000 km of Gold Wing, I have to understand what I do. I should not do something just because someone told me.
I have to understand. And that someone has to explain it to me.
Once, in Kazakhstan, a Russian biker friend showed me the path "best" way to cross the border with Russia (I came from Samarkand).
He was a trusted person (a friend), expert (motorcyclist for years), lived a few hundred miles from here, had passed that line several times.
He did not use the gps and showed me the way of a Russian paper, and my map was better and I noticed that the road indicated that he was not, in my opinion, the best way, he insisted: "This is the best way, the safest and quiet for you and your bike.
I was incredulous, but how can you not trust a friend, expert rider, a resident of the region?
I trusted and I ended up here:

I came out alone on my own.
Then he excused himself, mortified. Since then I do not trust anyone, if someone tells me that one way is better than me to explain and argue. I trust only what I see and I can explain with logic.
PS: I do not take the plane to Argentina because I want to arrive in Brazil: my round the world will be decided not only shippers.
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Thanks; he responded to me and is making a quote for my bike.
Now the biggest problem remains the Indonesia (another topic).
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If you dont trust anyone and want to argue with everyone what the hell are you doing on this site ? And then you go on to say you have friends . I would be surprised at that
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If you dont trust anyone and want to argue with everyone what the hell are you doing on this site ? And then you go on to say you have friends . I would be surprised at that
"Why the hell are you here?"

Well, I thought this was a place to seek and provide information, where in fact we will exchange experiences, reflections on travel, especially on a motorcycle.
But most of all I thought that this was a place where we confront in a civilized manner, respect different opinions and preferences of each.
Not a place where, in front of a motorcyclist who manifests a different way from the majority to go on a motorcycle, a different way of understanding the motorcycle trip, it has different times (I will not say better, but just as fast), in short, a different way to travel, someone will come up with a "why the hell are you here?".
Do not take it, but your "why the hell are you here?" Denotes arrogance and narrow-mindedness, and above all lack of understanding of those who think differently from us. Because we are not all the same, but the tolerance and respect that should guide our lives (especially here, a forum of bikers who travel around the world), should teach us that not all want the same things and not all we want to same way.
You see, as I have often written, I like to travel fast and still I can not afford to drop everything and leave for a year or more. I can not and I will not.
Into the issue that started your inappropriate "Why the hell are you here?", It is not true that I do not believe anyone, I believe from what I can see, even with evidence crossed, I believe that has its own logic .
I think a lot of what I read here, because they are argued and not contradictory. And in any case, no matter what I believe, read here or elsewhere, that information must be evaluated according to my needs, which are different from those of others. If someone refers to a forwarding agent, says he has done a great job, fast and accurate, and then I read that it took a week, then I understand that "fast" for that person has a different meaning for me, because a week for me too.
If someone says that the flight to the bike cost too much (for a bike of 400 kg) and then says that he was EUR 1,000, then I understand that his idea is too different from mine, because I pay for ONLY € 1,000 for the bike we immediately put the signature!
The news must be examined and evaluated critically, which is why the good God (or nature, for those who do not believe) gave us the good of the intellect.
So, my dear kito, if you have something useful, logical or interesting to say, speak, if you want to express your different legitimate opinions in mutual respect, do it, but if you just want to express your intolerance and impatience with those who have a way to travel other than your own, do not follow you on this way and prefer to ignore.
P.S. In Italy (and not only) I have enough friends, perhaps more than any you have there in New England.
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No amount of arguing is ever gonna change the fact, that shipping motorcycles across the oceans does not happen very often, in fact it is very rare, especially if you're not sending between Europe and US, for example. And that means you have no readymade services available.

Also reality is, that if the brown stuff just decides to hit the fan, then you're easily stuck for days or weeks, and there may be nothing you can do about it. I hope it all goes fine, but there's a hundred things, that just might turn out more problematic in reality, than what you now think. You can't tell the customs you're in a hurry (or you can, but they'll probably just laugh cos they'll think you told a joke!) I've shipped my bike 4 times, and each time it was a big project in itself. Glad I was not in a hurry, because shipping and hurry do not mix very well. But good luck on your ambitious project anyway.
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No amount of arguing is ever gonna change the fact, that shipping motorcycles across the oceans does not happen very often, in fact it is very rare, especially if you're not sending between Europe and US, for example. And that means you have no readymade services available.

Also reality is, that if the brown stuff just decides to hit the fan, then you're easily stuck for days or weeks, and there may be nothing you can do about it. I hope it all goes fine, but there's a hundred things, that just might turn out more problematic in reality, than what you now think. You can't tell the customs you're in a hurry (or you can, but they'll probably just laugh cos they'll think you told a joke!) I've shipped my bike 4 times, and each time it was a big project in itself. Glad I was not in a hurry, because shipping and hurry do not mix very well. But good luck on your ambitious project anyway.
Thank you pecha72, yours are reasonable discourse.
I know that there may be many setbacks, I know that mine is a difficult project, but also along the dirt roads of Mongolia with a Gold Wing and it was difficult to 10,000 km from Mongolia to Italy with the bike route (fork skipped and dented circle with tubeless ko) was difficult ... and yet I did.
When planning such a trip, just a dreamer and a simpleton would think it was easy, and I do not think of it.
If do not dare, better to stay home.
I cross my fingers because I'm not superstitious, but I hope and, above all, work so picky and decided to reduce the risks and increase the chances of success of my RTW.
Thanks for the advice.
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Halloa Gold im Sakura, al mi english al fa' schiv ad ogni mod good luck for your project....
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I got a quote from Rio de Janeiro to Dakar, for my motorcycle with airplane: $ 4.160 (€ 3.200).
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That's good but not enough: you cannot precisely predict how long it will takes you to crate and clear the bike through both the customs, and Dakar's harbour itsn't properly a carnival...
Outside Europe things doesn't running as in the west world, expecially when you have to face a bike shipping. In your case, you have to carry tons. of patience althoug you're in a constant hurry as for lack of time. That's sounds at least bizarre.
People are use to take it easy: for convenience, lazyness, nature, ignorance or whatever it is. And, the most you're in a hurry, then more you looks like a wallet to them.
I've told you Marcello, three months sounds like a race against time, not a bike trip: if i were in you i wouldn't do it, because of my nature, but i already know you (unfortunately) can only have that amount of time to accomplish your plans.
But, i don't think that experienced overlanders are mainly using this place to waste the time kidding or arguing with each other instead of ride the world (well, it happens, partly...). I always got good tricks searching the Hubb, i trust them because we're part of the same "world" and i never had to complain with anybody else. it is experience that talks and, if anybody says it's white, you cannot be certain it will be black...
Anyway i know you want to give a try to yourself.
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That's good but not enough: you cannot precisely predict how long it will takes you to crate and clear the bike through both the customs, and Dakar's harbour itsn't properly a carnival...
Outside Europe things doesn't running as in the west world, expecially when you have to face a bike shipping. In your case, you have to carry tons. of patience althoug you're in a constant hurry as for lack of time. That's sounds at least bizarre.
People are use to take it easy: for convenience, lazyness, nature, ignorance or whatever it is. And, the most you're in a hurry, then more you looks like a wallet to them.
I've told you Marcello, three months sounds like a race against time, not a bike trip: if i were in you i wouldn't do it, because of my nature, but i already know you (unfortunately) can only have that amount of time to accomplish your plans.
But, i don't think that experienced overlanders are mainly using this place to waste the time kidding or arguing with each other instead of ride the world (well, it happens, partly...). I always got good tricks searching the Hubb, i trust them because we're part of the same "world" and i never had to complain with anybody else. it is experience that talks and, if anybody says it's white, you cannot be certain it will be black...
Anyway i know you want to give a try to yourself.
Hello Donato.
I know "you can not precisely predict how long it will takes you to crate and clear the bike through Both the customs" and I also know that "Dakar's harbor properly itsn't a carnival."
But I also know that many said it was not possible to go through certain streets with a Gold Wing as my o ... a Harley like yours.
The challenge is not only to go to a place, not just go with a motorcycle, but also to go in a certain time. And I like it. I love traveling "fast".
In any case, I travel fast, not "in a hurry". There is a subtle difference.
Travelers "in a hurry", must necessarily go home within a day.
I do not, I do not "I", I "want" to go back to a certain day. It 's different.
If a month late, it does not happen anything serious, from the point of view of work, I lose a month's pay, not the work, from the point of view of the family, my wife will be sorry, but do not let me down.
I work, I can ask four months and then only use 2, when I come, the day I resubmit my expectation at work / vacation stops automatically and everything returns to normal.
I start planning 2/3 months and my wife knows that I plan to return in this period, but if, by my calculation errors (unlikely: I have never been wrong these accounts in my travels) or events that are my own will, it will take a month more, patience is not the end of the world is nothing irreparable.
Each of us travel in a different way.
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I got a quote from Rio de Janeiro to Dakar, for my motorcycle with airplane: $ 4.160 (€ 3.200).
The shipper of Rio de Janerio is raising the price. Now is $ 5.164 (€ 3.972) + crate.
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The shipper of Rio de Janerio is raising the price. Now is $ 5.164 (€ 3.972) + crate.
Is it time to start looking at another port now Brazil is not going to be the cheap way into SA. I've never shipped from Dakar to SA but reading enough I have even known of this for some time but then again to me money is an object that keeps me traveling and I much prefer spending no more than necessary for shipping even if it makes me ship from a country a couple 1000km away.

I'm looking forward to the next quote, I only expect it to get worse...
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Costs at the receiving end is also something to keep in mind. Generally when sending by air, they do not seem to bring as big surprises as they often do with seafreight. But anyway, its good to be aware, exactly what the quotes include. (wow, 4000€ is mighty expensive!)
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