the back of the carnet

[marieandguy]

hi all.

we plan of having a carnet from the caa for a usa registered bikes, so for two new f650 dakar caa gave us a price qute of 26k (with all of africa included), to be refunded only when you send back the carnet with the u.s custom stamp om it, we thought this was the end of our carnet story because we dont have that much money to leave as a deposit...but good news, susan from caa wrote us that we could get our refund if we send them the carnet back with the back page of it filled in by any country's custom, spain for instance, did anyone did that? or can explain it for us, are we happy for nothing?

guy and marie :confused1:

[Robbert]

It's the last page in the carnet if I remember well.

You'll be refunded if:
- the vehicle is officially imported in a country and customs of that country fill out and stamp the last page of your carnet.
- Customs of the country of residence of the vehicle confirm the vehicle is back home.

This is to make sure the vehicle was not imported illegally in one of the countries that could send a claim to the automobile organization providing you with the carnet.

Rob

[marieandguy]

thanks rob.

if the custom of a certain country fill that page does it mean that we are importing the bikes into that country, and have to pay all the tax and duty for them, or is like entering any country where you dont need a carnet and get temp. import permit? has anyone did that and can give us any clue about it?

many thaks

guy and marie

[Robbert]

Hmm,

Not sure. In theory, I think it's sufficient to have an exit stamp from the last country you've entered. I would check with the motoring orgnazation whether they will refund if that's satisfied.

I've heard about people leaving a bike/car between borders, but maybe that's just to get out of somewhere without stamp in the passport, rather then to return with a dischargable carnet.

[beddhist]

Check with your issuing club, as the requirements vary. Some clubs demand that the vehicle is either returned home or permanently imported somewhere. This does not suit all travellers, but if the carnet is correctly stamped in and out, particularly the last country, and if you get the certificate of presence filled in according to requirements, you will very likely get your deposti back. However, if you are still on the road they may hold onto your deposit for a while, to make sure no country claims against it.

[marieandguy]

thanks beddhist.

the thing with the back page of the carnet was the official answer we got from the caa, so there is no doubt about it, the only thing that bother us is if the custom of a country, not the country where the bike is registered, fills the back page, does it meen that we have to pay the importing duty for the bikes, or not...:confused1:

guy and marie

[Grant Johnson]

Originally Posted by marieandguy

thanks beddhist.

the thing with the back page of the carnet was the official answer we got from the caa, so there is no doubt about it, the only thing that bother us is if the custom of a country, not the country where the bike is registered, fills the back page, does it meen that we have to pay the importing duty for the bikes, or not...:confused1:

guy and marie

If you have another country stamp it in and use that as your proof, ok good - IF Suzanne says that's ok, I'll believe her - but be very careful. You want to do that in a country that does NOT want duty and taxes from you - and most do.

To clarify - when you arrive in any country they want duty and taxes OR something to prove you are going to leave the country with the bike! Either a stamp in the passport, or a carnet or a triptyique - or sometimes they don't care!

If they don't care, good. Europe is generally not a problem, they don't normally care - until you try to register the bike in a country, THEN they would probably want duty and taxes.

In order to discharge the carnet and get your money back, the CAA needs proof of entry into a country they trust that does NOT use the carnet. USA or Canada for the CAA is ideal, but Europe should be good!

So, yes, arrive in Europe and get your carnet stamped IN, and send it back to Suzanne for refund, and you should not have to pay duty and taxes either.

That SHOULD work ok. NO gurantees - things change, but it should be fine. Good luck.

[marieandguy]

thank you grant for the info and advice, i am sure that we are going to manage it, that way or the other, we would be very happy to have an info of someone who has done it...

many thanks.

guy

[beddhist]

Originally Posted by Grant Johnson

So, yes, arrive in Europe and get your carnet stamped IN,

Just to clarify Gran't comprehensive clarification: you get the certificate of presence stamped in, not an ordinary carnet page!

[michaelo]

Originally Posted by beddhist

Just to clarify Gran't comprehensive clarification: you get the certificate of presence stamped in, not an ordinary carnet page!

I'm a U.S citizen and have an U.S registered bike - I'm planning a trip from Ireland (flying bike to Ireland soon) to Cape Town S.A - can I get a Carnet for Africa from the CAA? Form want I have seen, getting the carnet for a U.S registered bike in Europe seems too expensive and complicated? Thanks in advance for any advise -Mike

[Big K's Man]

I have the bike , I have the Carnet,
I understand I need to stamp the Carnet entering and leaving foriegn countries and most importantly, the back page when I return to my home country.

But what about when I leave the home country..??
Should I get the Carnet front page stamped on the export section...???

Help anyone, I'm heading to customs this week.

Thanks :confused1:

[beddhist]

michaelo: the CAA is who you must talk to.

Big K's Man: the carnet has nothing to do with your home country. You shouldn't even present it to customs upon departure. If you do, you risk an officer, who is not familiar with the correct procedures, to make a mess of it.

It avoids having to leave a large deposit at a border upon entry. Read the good explanation on the left.

[Frank Warner]

Originally Posted by beddhist

Big K's Man: the carnet has nothing to do with your home country. You shouldn't even present it to customs upon departure. If you do, you risk an officer, who is not familiar with the correct procedures, to make a mess of it.

Err - this bepends on the country youyare leaving .. the Australian carnet (issued in Australia) has a front page with a 'leaving Australia' section, and a 'returning to Australia' page .. could help with an disscussions on getting the vehicle back in!

I'll send grant a copy for the carnet information pages. Best blak out the numbers though..