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neill.bird 11 Oct 2012 13:21

UK Carnet Process is Ruined / Unworkable.
 
This is pretty important.

They (RAC) won't give you your new carnet now (i.e renew one about to expire) without putting up the money again !!

That means you need twice the money in place before they will renew it. Even if the new one starts after the old one expires (which it would, wouldn't it) they want two lots of money.

They will also ONLY accept new paperwork via fax for the application. No emails and no scanned signatures.

So whilst on the road you need to get to a printer and fax...and then either get the money again to pay another second deposit or go through the whole bank / insurance thing again.

They won't move/flex on either point. Surely i'm not the first to come across this new stupid process which was implemented by Aviva/Carlyle since the bought the RAC.

Surfy 11 Oct 2012 17:21

That sounds really doh

You can too get the carnet at the german adac.

Maybe too at the swiss tcs (but not shure about).

But for shure - you need now to have to money, because another issuer also need money...

Surfy

brclarke 11 Oct 2012 17:28

But surely no one ever extends a carnet... doh

itchyfeet38 11 Oct 2012 18:30

Hasn't it always been the case that you had to discharge your old carnet (ie return it stamped out to the RAC) before you got a new one? This what we had to do 2008 - 2011.

Before it expired you had to exit the penultimate country using your carnet (to get a final stamp out) and then enter the final country on a TIP, then you sent/brought the old carnet back to the UK for discharge. Then you got a new one and used that when you entered the next country. The bank guarantee just rolled over to the new carnet (as long as the new carnet didn't require the guarantee of a bigger amount).

Does that no longer work?

Or are you trying to extend an existing carnet that hasn't been discharged? I have to say I didn't know you could ever do that.

mark manley 11 Oct 2012 18:39

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Originally Posted by brclarke (Post 396057)
But surely no one ever extends a carnet... doh

Anybody who travels for more than 12 months in countries that require them will need to extend a carnet, that is quite a few people.

neill.bird 11 Oct 2012 19:11

Our carnet runs out on the 31st. We are in South Africa. The new one starts on the 1st Nov. So because they say we have two running, which isn't the case but they want the bond all over again.

The old one ends the day the new one starts so to speak so we don't have two running and they won't discharge the old one until its received back at the RAC so they won't "move" the bond between carnets. This I thought used to be common. At least thats what I was told. I even completed the paperwork upfront with Paul Gowen, who is no longer there by the way. He's on something else. Theres nobody in charge in the carnets any longer (shes off for an undetermined length on time) and no body is deputising for this new, and absent, manager.

They now have £12000 for carnet one and £4500 for carnet two !

brclarke 11 Oct 2012 19:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark manley (Post 396072)
Anybody who travels for more than 12 months in countries that require them will need to extend a carnet, that is quite a few people.

Sorry - I thought it was obvious I was being sarcastic. I can see that it'd be very easy for someone on a long trip to want to extend it past the original limit.

Richard-NL 11 Oct 2012 20:28

Hey Fellows,

With the German ADAC there is no problem at all. My new carnet started the next day of the expired first one. There was no problem at all !!!! ADAC needs original papers and signatures as well, but you know 12 months in advanced when your carnet expired.

What I did:
1.Sent the papers for the new carnet at least 2,5 months before the old one expired.
2. Wrote an email that I wanted the carnet sent to an address somewhere in Egypt by DHL not later than two weeks before the first one expired. It turns out that they will not sent you that one much earlier than those two weeks.
3. Paid more for the DHL, but it arrived in four days.

Cheers

PS. Only the first one ADAC will sent you as early as you want !!beer

itchyfeet38 11 Oct 2012 20:37

Someone may have a different experience but I think you have always had to discharge the original carnet by physically returning it stamped out for your original bond to be released. Until then the first one continues to be a theoretical risk for the RAC in that the customs authority where you have a stamp in but not out can make a claim against them.

When we got ours there was an information sheet telling you what to do to roll it over (ie enter a country on a TIP whilst you do the switch over). You obviously didn't get this.

Paul G told me more than once that most of the problems the RAC has with undischarged carnets worldwide were with RSA customs so if that's where you have an open carnet that will have set off the alarm bells.

If you send the old carnet to the RAC (by registered post) once you are stamped out of RSA they should release your first bond.

Will you be back by the 31st? I would want to cross into Zim/Zam/Moz before then to get a clean stamp out of RSA on your old carnet. If you don't get stamped out you may well have problems getting your bond back and customs may refuse to stamp you out if it is out of date. I realise you will be shipping out anyway but probably not before 31st?

roamingyak.org 12 Oct 2012 20:32

Neil, you are shipping to South America within the next 2-3 months?

If so, do this:

1. Cancel the new carnet.
2. Extend the existing carnet for 2 months with the South African AA. This cost 550 Rand when I did it in 2010. You have to write a letter explaining why you need this extension - I said because of mechanical repairs I could not leave the customs union in time. Write a proper letter, they take it seriously.
I have the contact details somewhere for the person at the SA AA. You will also need to tell the RAC you are doing an extension and send them proof of it when you get it (I received via email for me).
3. Get the extension, exit on your existing carnet - send the carnet back from South America. You used to have 3 months to send the old one back. You don't need a carnet in South America I believe?

Easy. Now stop panicking. Have a beer and think nice thoughts about me ;-p

Bring back Paul!!!!

fraserbyrne 14 Oct 2012 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard-NL (Post 396087)
Hey Fellows,

With the German ADAC there is no problem at all. My new carnet started the next day of the expired first one. There was no problem at all !!!! ADAC needs original papers and signatures as well, but you know 12 months in advanced when your carnet expired.

What I did:
1.Sent the papers for the new carnet at least 2,5 months before the old one expired.
2. Wrote an email that I wanted the carnet sent to an address somewhere in Egypt by DHL not later than two weeks before the first one expired. It turns out that they will not sent you that one much earlier than those two weeks.
3. Paid more for the DHL, but it arrived in four days.

Cheers

PS. Only the first one ADAC will sent you as early as you want !!beer

Can UK citizens / UK registered bikes get the German ADAC? I thought was impossible now?


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