Here is where you get the cheap european green card insurance
 

For some reason noone post these things so here I go:

Green card insurance for europe can be obtained from Knopf tours and ADAC fx. BUT both get it from ARISA assurances which is a swiz or something.

Here is the mail I got from them:

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Dear Mr Kongsbak,

It is possible to submit you a third party liability insurance, the Frontier Insurance (Grenzversicherung).

The rate is: 22,00€/month.

Therefore we will be pleased if you can transfer us your payment for an amount of 132€ by bank credit transfer to the enclosed indicated account:

Kontonr. 0038/4021-4
IBAN: LU30 0019 0038 4021 4000
BIC (SWIFT): BCEELULL
Banque et Caisse d'Epargne de l'Etat.

As soon as we receive your payment we will transfer you the insurance policy by post.

We will be pleased if you let us know your travel dates, your complete address and transfer us the registration papers of your car and a copy of your identification card.

For further questions do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

Jorge Terrao

Arisa Assurances S.A

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His mail is: J.Terrao(attt siiggn)arisa(the dot)lu

ARISA Assurances S.A. - Luxembourg

ARISA Assurances S.A.
Goldbell Center
5, rue Eugène Ruppert
L-2453, Luxembourg

Tel:00352 26 29 40 1
Fax:00352 26 29 40 40

E-Mail: info@arisa.lu

Hi Peter
Sent you a PM/email.
cheers
Chris

Done up like a kipper...
 

Yep, I wish I'd known that before I paid Knopf Tours €330 for the same bloody thing...

I did query it with them once I got my paperwork and saw my six month cover actually only cost €132.00... but I'd already paid (by bank transfer) and the paperwork was sent out...

€200.00 extra is quite frankly obscene for 'administration costs'...

Bastards...

Hey ho.

xxx

Could an admin or moderator make this a sticky, otherwise this valuable info is just going to get lost on this forum

Thanks.

Yes, if Peter actually gets his Green Card by email I think this is the answer to many a FAQ.

Peter,
I'm currently waiting for mine to be posted (as soon as my bank transfer clears) and have also requested a scan by e-mail (instead of a fax). I'll let you know if Mr Terrao is happy to do that.
Stephan

I'm on the verge of buying, too, and would be interested in hearing as soon as you get any indication that something substantial is happening. I get a bit nervous wiring money directly to bank accounts on faraway continents! One advantage, real or illusory, to Knopf is that I can send a check in US dollars to a US address....plus lots of folks have dealt with him before, including in person.

thanks,

Mark

We flew our bike from Vancouver, Canada to Frankfurt, Germany in 2006. We flew into Frankfurt, took the S-bahn (train) downtown and went into the ADAC office (German auto club) with our paperwork for the bike. Bought green card insurance for 22 Euros a month. We took the S-bahn back to the airport and went to Customs, got the bike signed in and rode off into Europe. Everytime since then when we pass through Germany we get enough more to cover us until the next time. Simple and cheap.

I received the scans of the documents as soon as Jorge Terrao received the money. The actual documents are being sent to our specified address. Everything OK, buy with confidence.
Stephan.

Stephano and Peter,

Did you get your green cards as promised? Any glitches?

Thanks for your response.

Mark

Green Card = third party (TP) liability insurance (unless I am mistaken) In which case these guys are offering this at a better price than I can buy domestic green card third party liability insurance in Belgium. I just had a quote from my insurance for basic TP cover for € 310.54 which is about 200% more than last year and a total rip off.
Have I misunderstood something here ? Is there any reason I can't just get my insurance from them ?

Since you are in Belgium at home you are in a better position to answer your own question than anybody else. Seems Belgians, like the French, are still being ripped off by their insurers. Two years ago I insured a BMW R100GS for about 50 Euro/year.

We are talking about third party cover only here, aren't we?

In Germany you couldn't use Arissa Insurance, because insurance is tightly coupled to rego, i.e. you have to show govt. approved cover before you can register your vehicle.

G'day all, have contacted ARISA,( Jorge),to ask if they could supply me with Greencard insurance for travelling through Europe. He replied; " It is only possible to supply you a third party liability insurance, the Frontier Insurance, valid only in Europe (EC)".
I'm getting confused here, isn't that exactly what I'm looking for, to ride legally in Europe? ( Flying to Jordan next week so I'm pretty keen to get this sorted!).:confused1:
Cheers Boot.

I just PM-ed Peter-Denmark and Stephano asking again for confirmation that they did actually succeed in getting insurance from Arisa. I do not otherwise want to wire transfer money with the need to go down to my bank in person plus pay the fees.

Can anyone report that they received their Euro insurance in this way?

Thanks much!

Mark

I have purchased third party liability (green card) insurance underwritten by Arisa many times in the last 6 years. It is purely liability insurance - meaning, it will pay the cost of fixing anything you hit with your motorcycle - it is not theft or collision insurance. Much like North America, you are required by law to have liability insurance to ride in Europe.

There are several ways to buy the policy that Arisa underwrites. What I most commonly do is go to an ADAC (German Automobile Club) office and buy the insurance there. It is offered over the counter, and the cost is about 22 Euro a month for a motorcycle. It's easy for me to do this because I usually fly into Switzerland - I can then use a company car to make the 1 hour trip to Germany, go to an ADAC office, and get the policy. Once I have it, I can legally ride my Canadian registered motorcycle.

I have also purchased the exact same Arisa insurance cover in the past from Knopf Tours. Knopf charges a markup (about another 20 Euro a month) to procure the insurance for you, but convenience sometimes justifies buying the insurance through Knopf. Unless you happen to have a friend who lives in Germany who is willing to go to an ADAC office with your paperwork and get the insurance for you ahead of time, Knopf is the next best way to get the insurance before you arrive in Europe.

Be aware, though, that it seems you can only buy a cumulative total of 12 months of insurance for any given vehicle (VIN number) during the life of the vehicle. I've shipped my moto back and forth to Europe numerous times over the past 6 years - this summer, when I went to buy insurance, ADAC informed me that Arisa had told them that they could only issue one more month of insurance for my bike. This question is still open - I am not sure if Arisa is aware that my moto goes back to Canada each year - I will have to write them and get some clarification about this.

Michael

Here's a picture of the insurance document that Arisa issues. This happens to be the coverage I purchased last year from an ADAC office.

The document is normally referred to as a 'green card', in practice, you get two copies, one is a receipt for your records, which is pink (shown below), the other is the actual proof of insurance document, which is green (that happens to be in my motorcycle saddlebag at the moment). The two documents are the same, they are all multiple impression documents printed on carbonless paper.

Hope this information helps.

http://dubfoto.com/albums/userpics/1...ummer_2007.jpg

Hi everyone and sorry for the late answer.

I didn't know that the thread was still alive.

I sent them scans of my documents via email (cheap and fast since I already had these scans from back home)

After making the banktransfer I recieved the greencard insurance within a week I belive.

They sent it to my parents address in Denmark and my plan was to make them fax it to me and send the original to wherever I landed.

All in all their service was good and fast.

Peter

green card insurance
 

can this insurance only be bought in Germany or can you get it in other european countries. We are driving overland from Asia entering europe trough Turkey, or can you get insurance that covers all countries?

You can buy the insurance over the internet, with the help of:

1. Internetbanking or a transfer from a physical bank in the country where you are

2. Email and a scanner

The insurance will arrive by snail-mail to an address of your choosing, BUT they will also send you a scan of the insurance to your email ON REQUEST.

The insurance COVERS ALL COUNTRIES WITHIN THE EU for LIMITED LIABILITY INSURANCE ONLY.

Thanks, Peter. I much appreciate your taking the time to respond (repeatedly), and I am about to do as you did—scans, wire transfer and all.

Safe journeys!

Mark

You are very welcome Mark, it is my pleasure to help others as I have been helped myself on this forum.

Happy riding.

Peter

Cannot make contact
 

hey guys
I have emailed these guys trying to obtain details on a green card policy but have not got a reply in about 5 days. Has anyone else been in contact with them in the last little while and had any luck???

Cheers

No answer
 

I too have sent them an email early last week.

I've had no response either

Anyone out there had better luck recently?

John

Try to send the email to their main email which is info@arisa.lu

But that said I emailed one of their staff a couple of weeks ago and havent gotten a reply yet.

I think that it may have to do with the holliday season.

Perhaps call them?

Hi Guys
I must be the lucky one send a email 2 days ago and Jorge Terrao called me last night, nice guy very helpful. Here is what he send me after our phone conversation.

Referring to our phone conversation we will inform you the rate for the Frontier Insurance is: 105,00€/month for motorcycles.

You can transfer your payment by bank credit transfer to the enclosed indicated account:

Kontonr. 0038/4021-4
IBAN: LU30 0019 0038 4021 4000
BIC (SWIFT): BCEELULL
Banque et Caisse d'Epargne de l'Etat.

As soon as we receive your payment we will transfer you the insurance policy by post.

We will be pleased if you let us know your travel dates, your complete address and transfer us the registration papers of your car and a copy of your identification card.

For further questions do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

Jorge Terrao

Arisa Assurances S.A
ARISA Assurances S.A. - Luxembourg
email: J.Terrao@arisa.lu

Hope this helps
Mark

Oops, their rate has gone up 400%!!!

Jesus, is that serious?

I just had a reply from Jorge yesterday, he had been on vacation as I thought.

I will contact them and ask them to confirm the 105euro/month price.

comıng from ıran
 

Curıous as prıces on green card.
Have come from Iran and after arguments on the border at Bazargan dıscovered that you can buy a month green card for $6 from AXA agent there. Not sure ıf ıt ıs valıd for the rest of Europe. Goıng to get another one ın Istanbul for the rest of Europe hopefully.

Duncan

According to Jorge the insurance you can buy from him is NOT valued in Turkey ( only 3% of turkey is in Europe)
Is there any agents at the Greek Border?
Peter, have you had any luck confirming that price?
I will get in touch with my nephew in Switzerland to find out if there is a insurance company there that can help?

I have not had a reply from Jorge yet, but it is a very helpfull company indeed.

I cancelled my insurance (didnt need it anymore) and sent the papers back and they sent my money back. Not bad.

Sorry for the delay in replying but I can confirm that everything went smoothly with my insurance. I received scans in advance and the paper documents at my requested address.

I'd like to know know more about that possible price increase for next time though. :eek3:
Stephan

Ohh well.... hmmm
I actual feel a bit sorry...... I wonder about the XXXX countries on your pink cover note ?! well you are right the "international motor insurance card" is lime green cheap sloppy paper....... all the interesting countries are not Xed-out on the original one I got issued with out asking for it by my insurance company...
(that's why I feel sorry)
Well and what about the limited time validation less than a year ?!

OK I live in Germany, and my insurance company is the HUK-Coburg, the "green card" is "GREEN" is valid for three years (yes 3-years from 14/7/2006 to 14/7/2009 in my case) and nothing is Xed-out at all, any of the 44 country codes from "A to UA" are open and not crossed out for no extra cost, actually non of the country's is crossed out! as I say I didn't ask for it they just issued it that way.
I pay 120-Euros (with 2nd year bonus) a year 3rd-party as the cheapest policy they do.
Now this behaver of German insurance companies seams to be normal, but if some one else comes along they will classify foreigners as a higher risk and rip you off.

G'day! Icame through Turkey last week. I entered Bulgaria at the main highway crossing point. There are 4 checkpoints. Between the 2nd and 3rd, on the left, is an office building that kind of says it's like a auto authority (or sumthin like that),. If you go to the window you will find a Very nice young lady, who will gladly sell you 3rd party insurance, for I think about 25 Euro, that covers you for all EU countries. Or so it says, no one has asked for it since........
I hope, if you do go that way, that they got the computer in the 4th point fixed. Cause I wouldn't wish the 5hr wait I had in 36 deg heat on anyone... Good Luck, Bootlace.

Green card available in Russia
 

Just finished round the world trip in St.Petersburg and was surprised to find a green card in the city so cheap and instant. I ordered one from Arisa but it didn't make it in time because of holidays.
Also heard cheap insurance is available on finnish border west of Vyborg.
I got it for 44 euros / 3 months through a russian company Russkii mir, covering all european countries including Balkans, Ukraine, Turkey, Moldavia and so on. Highly unusual, but actual insurance is from polish company Hestia, they are the underwriters.

Green card is in the same format like any other, written in polish and english if you send me a private message i would be happy to email you a scan.

Place i got it in St. Petersburg was near Ladhoszskaya station, but same company has several branches.:thumbup1:

I *think* that in theory most AAs in Europe sell this kind of insurance. I got it in Izmir/TR and in Italy, but both a long time ago.

I have recieved confirmation from the company that the price is still 22Euro pr month.

That's good to know. Thanks, Peter.

Now who wants to write to Jorge about the cumulative 12 month limit? It could be an issue, as mentioned earlier, for anyone who keeps the same bike for a number of years...
Stephan

I crossed over from Vyborg to Finland on the 19th of July and was just waved through the border without needing to have any bike documentation checked. I have not bothered with Green card insurance and it was only when I enetered Croatia that the customs demanded it. I paid 15 euro for 1 months Croatian insurance. I then took the ferry from Split to Ancona before flying back to Australia from Roma last week. My Burgman leaves on the 17th of September and should be back in Oz a month later.

Whenever possible I try to avoid paying for insurance. On this journey insurance was only required for Russia, Kazakhstan and Croatia.

Garry from Oz.

insurance in Spain
 

Below is a copy of my recent post regarding green card insurance in Spain. Also a few points from my previous experience with insurance: I tried to buy insurance on the Greek side of the Greek/Turkish border, i was told they no longer sell it to foreigners. I have bought ADAC insurance twice for my Aussie registered bike, for 6 months and 12 months respectively, nobody said anything about a maximum limit for insurance. I just found out it is possible in Spain (good info at OFESAUTO) but expensive, only buy here if you have to.


Insurance and a green card for foreign registered vehicles is available in Spain from certain agents. The Spanish organisation OFESAUTO has more specific information (in Spanish, English and French) OFESAUTO. This insurance is basically the same thing provided by ADAC in Germany and the same rules apply ie you need to apply in person, although they didn't ask to see the bike, only my documentation. The maximum coverage is 6 months, whereas ADAC provide 12 months. The insurance was also much more expensive in Spain, 80 euros for 15 days cover, 150 euros for 1 month. There is a bigger discount for 6 months cover, but it still works out about 4 times the price of ADAC insurance for 6 months coverage.

Cheers,
Sean

Garry, you were lucky. Not having insurance in Europe means running risks with the police, not to mention big financial liability in case of an accident. If the cops find you without insurance in the EU you can expect to have your bike impounded on the spot, at least until you can produce valid insurance, plus a big fine.

I had an accident in Turkey, which was a car driver's fault. The first thing the cops asked for was insurance.

Anyone know how I can make a quick bank transfer? They only accept bank transfers, but my home bank is charging me $50+ to send it making it suddenly not so cheap!
thanks

Doing it quick is expensive - even inside the EU.

But it is somewhat cheaper to transfer money inside the EU I guess. If you know someone over here, then maybe you could paypal them the money and they could send the money to the bank.

But then again, how often do you go on a biking holiday in Europe? The extra expence is not that fun of course, but trust me it is nothing compared to the european gas prices!

You will be shocked...

Happy riding.

Peter

Closed for holidays?
 

Has anyone had recent contact with Jorge re EU insurance? We've emailed him last week re xome cove we will need from late Dec for Europe, but haven't had any response yet.

Do they close for holiday period maybe?

Thanks

Same here
 

We sent an e-mail 2 weeks ago and still no reply. Hope all is well...

New contact
 

Hi there

We eventually got a reply after sending the email to the info email. Jorge does not work there anymore, but this guy replied to our email.

Wolfgang Plunien

ARISA Assurances S.A
5,rue Eugène Ruppert
L-2453 Luxembourg
Tel: 00352 262940-43
Fax: 00352 262940-93
E-Mail: w.plunien@arisa.lu

He did however ask to contact the following email rather for correspondence.
kraftfahrt@arisa.lu

FYI - They are closed from 24 Dec until 04 Jan.

We got a qoute for a Oz registered Toyota Landcruiser of EURO 315 for 3 months, very expensive, so we just getting 1 month for now and will see if we can find something cheaper at either the border or somewhere else in Europe. Still waiting for paperwork though, but only transferred the money yesterday.

Cheers

What documents are required to obtain green card
 

Hi everyone,
My question pertains to cars, not to bikes, hope you don't mind that I butt in: I was wondering if you guys know what documents I need in order to obtain green card insurance for my US registered car that I am shipping to Belgium?
Also, can I obtain that in Beglium, and if so at what office, in Bruxeles?
Thanks in advance!

In general, documentation requirements & underwriting rules for Euro "green card" insurance that apply to motorcycles apply to all motorvehicles (incl. cars). Rates may vary of course.

"Green card" usually refers to minimum required third-party liability only, not "comprehensive," (damage to vehicle). Neither the Luxembourg agent for ADAC referenced above in this thread, nor any of the Euro auto clubs (German ADAC, Italian TCI) will underwrite "comprehensive" insurance as part of the "green card" policy they issue for non-member/ citizen tourists.

For non-citizen/ members, Euro "Green card" coverage is usually issued thru national auto clubs or their direct agents. I have never heard of green card cover being issued by the Belgian auto club/ Bruxelles, but you could ask directly Royal Automobile Club of Belgium

For your US car, if you need comp, in addition to Euro green card liability, you need to get it thru a specialty broker in the US. There's a list of specialty US brokers here:
BMW MOA : Global Touring - to Europe,
(page down to " EURO INSURANCE")
Most of the specialty Euro/overseas insurance for US-registered vehicles is underwritten by AIG (the "solvent" part of the company :mchappy:)
You'll want to have at least a minimum Euro green card insurance document in hand when you pick up your car from the Belgian port dock, because Belgian Customs may not release the car without it; and in any case you don't want to be driving it w/o min cover.

I emailed them this morning, & got a reply within 3 hours. I asked about a green card that coveres non Eu countries like Serbia, Macedonia, etc, but they say thats not available. Buying at the border for those gets a bit expensive. But this is only 22 euros a month. pretty good deal I think!
Anyhow, heres the reply I got, I hope it is helpful

Doug

It is possible to submit you a third party liability insurance, the
Frontier Insurance (Grenzversicherung).

The frontier Insurance isn't coverage in the following countries:

Albania, Andorra, Bosnia Herzegovina, Belarusian, Croatia, Israel, Iran,
Maroc, Moldavia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Tunis, Turkey, Ukraine.

To insure your motorcycle we need a copy of the valid registration
certificate. Please forward us a copy by e-mail or by fax.

The premium for two months insurance coverage are 44€.

You can transfer your payment by bank credit transfer.

Our bank details are following:

Name: Banque et Caisse d'Epargne de l'Etat (BCEE)
Account: 0038/4021-4
IBAN LU30 0019 0038 4021 4000
BIC: BCEELULL

Please give us a short notice whenever you transferred the premium on our
account so that we can inform our accountant department to inform us about
the receipt of the money.

As soon as we receive your payment we will transfer you the insurance
policy by post.

We will be pleased if you let us know your travel dates and your complete
address.

If you have further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.


Best regards,


Jessica Ries

ARISA Assurances S.A.
5,rue Eugène Ruppert
L-2453 Luxembourg
Tel : 00352 262940-56
Fax : 00352 262940-40
E-Mail : j.ries@arisa.lu

Hello Spooky:

Please, it is not necessary to feel sorry at all.

The insurance that I have purchased at ADAC in past years (there is a picture of my insurance document on the top of page 2 of this thread) is special insurance that ADAC offers only to foreign citizens who will be riding foreign registered motorcycles within Germany, and by logical extension, within the EC member countries.

I am well aware that this insurance only covers riding within the EC. To understand why ADAC even sells this, you have to think back to the days before EC harmonization of everything took place. Back then, if someone from (for example) Czech Republic or Hungary wanted to visit Germany with their car or their moto, their Czech insurance or Hungarian insurance would not have covered them in Germany. So, ADAC had little offices at the border crossings, and from these little offices they sold temporary "liability only" insurance for motos (€22 a month) and for automobiles (about € 105 a month).

Today, anyone who buys insurance in one EC country will find that their insurance - at least, the liability portion of it - covers them in all the EC countries. So, ADAC does not sell very much of this insurance anymore, except to people like me who fly their Canadian motorcycles to Europe, or perhaps to Turks who might need the insurance to drive a Turkish registered car in Europe during a vacation.

The policy that ADAC sells - which others have noted is in fact underwritten by ARISA, ADAC being nothing more than a sales agent - is only valid for the EC because way, way back, it was only valid for Germany. With EC harmonization, the insurance is now valid for all EC countries.

It is possible for me to buy insurance for my Canadian moto that is valid in all of the countries that have the XXX striking them out on the ARISA policy. I have done this in the past when I have visited Ukraine, Poland before it joined EC, Serbia, and so on. But, getting this type of insurance, which covers you from Iceland to Israel, is far more expensive. Michael Mandell (Motorcycle Express) sells it for about $180 USD a month.

Therefore, if I only plan to ride in the EC, I buy the ARISA insurance. I buy it from ADAC simply because I always fly into Zürich, and it is quick and easy for me to go to Singen and buy it from ADAC there. For others, it is probably easier to buy it directly from ARISA.

Hope this explains everything OK.

Michael

[quote=rtwdoug;233095]...

"Doug

It is possible to submit you a third party liability insurance, the
Frontier Insurance (Grenzversicherung).
...

You can transfer your payment by bank credit transfer.

Our bank details are following:

Name: Banque et Caisse d'Epargne de l'Etat (BCEE)
Account: 0038/4021-4
IBAN LU30 0019 0038 4021 4000
BIC: BCEELULL

Please give us a short notice whenever you transferred the premium on our
account so that we can inform our accountant department to inform us about
the receipt of the money.

As soon as we receive your payment we will transfer you the insurance
policy by post.

...

Jessica Ries

ARISA Assurances S.A.
5,rue Eugène Ruppert
L-2453 Luxembourg
Tel : 00352 262940-56
Fax : 00352 262940-40
E-Mail : j.ries@arisa.lu[
/quote]

rtwdoug,

Thanks. This essentially repeats the ARISA info previously posted on this thread. But most previous posters have been outside USA.

ARISA (apparently) does not accept credit cards as form of payment. Bank transfers are much more common --and less expensive--in Europe or elsewhere, than in the US.

Have you checked with your local/ USA bank as to the cost of the a bank transfer from your account to the ARISA account?

question about all documentation for europe
 

Hi Everyone,
I've been reading your posts about green card third party liability insurance for Europe, as I'm planning on travelling from Holland, through Germany, Czech republic, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, to Moscow in July, using Euro-campsites along the way.. It's turning into a big worry and headache for me trying to get insurance and figure out all other documentation I'll need to get my vehicle from the docks in Rotterdam. I know you are all bike enthusiasts, so am I, always a biker at heart, although I no longer have a bike, I'm 63 years old and taking the car this time, but regardless, correct me if I'm wrong but the same EU rules for foreign vehicles should apply to cars as well as bikes, right? I saw you mention how to get third party liability insurance by contacting an ADAC office to get a green card, but my other questions are...did you get any other documentation hassles about needing to clear your vehicle through European customs, such as being forced to buy a "Carnet de Passage" in order to prove you're not bringing your vehicle into Europe to sell? See here what it is:
http://www.adac.de/images/Carnet%20de%20Passages_Antrag(komplett)_englisch_t cm8-166369.pdf
If you look down the pdf, this thing can get expensive to obtain, in the sense that you need to tie up a lot of money to guarantee not selling..anyone know about this? Or is it even required if I'm only travelling in and out of the EU in a short period of time,as a tourist? ..I expect to be in Moscow within a week from Rotterdam, where I will register the vehicle, pay duties on the car, and live. I bought my car in Aug. 2008, so I've had it more than the minimum 6 months. It is a 10 yr old cavalier, worth only $2500 but in excellent shape, only 55000 miles. The reason I'm taking it...? Used cars in Moscow are outrageous!! I saw a 1998 Dodge minivan on a lot there last year, they were asking $15000 USD!! Finally, did EU cutoms give you a hassle about any personal belongings..tent, lap top, etc.etc.?I expect to load my car up with personal belongings. I sure am hoping that one or some of you can help out this old dog with valuable information..thanks a lot in advance! :thumbup1: :confused1::stormy:
Brian
By the way..my bikes...first one, a 1971 Norton 750 Commando, rode it from Toronto to Calgary in 1975, then a Sportster, Verago, 750 Triumph, Harley 1500 XLCH, finally a 1968 Vespa..lol...

Brian,
This thread is about Euro vehicle insurance; you might get more replies if you re-posted as a separate query or do a Hubb search for Carnets, e.g. here,
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...eed-know-39204.

That said, I'll take a crack at your questions:
You didn't ask, but I assume you've checked Russian rules on import of a car and resale of a non-RU registered vehicle once you arrive [?]

Good luck.

Contact Arisa insurance at the email above and hopefully they will sort you out.

You don't need a carnet. Vehicles are traded all over Europe, you are unlikely to have any hassles with customs.

I just received my Green Card insurance from Arisa. Simple to deal with (a couple of emails and a scan of the registration documents, then a bank transfer for payment), helpful and I now have what I need.

Plus it was less than a quarter of the price I paid at a border last time.

Ben

Just the vehicle registration document. (motorcycles and cars are the same).

contact the company listed at the beginning of this forum - but you need an address (in Europe I think, since its for European Green Card) where they can mail it to.

Hi. I think the answer is that Green Card Ins he supplies is for the EU only, there are other countries in Europe, ie Turkey which you buy at the border and Spain which I had a helluva job finding and it cost me the earth ! Better than loosing the bike but not by much, I got really ripped off.
I want to go back to Spain but I have to find a way to get affordable Insurance. Help please.

Have you found anywhere else to get Spanish Insurance ? These guys were the ones that clipped me.......they would only issue comprehensive and it cost a whole lot !

I just heard from Stefan Knopf that the cost of Green Card has almost tripled this year. Does anyone have any further info on this?

Thanks

Yes, and he used to charge three times the actual price (from Arisa) already!

I read this too (I think it is on another thread on the HUBB, about using a USA registered car in Europe as I recall) - seems the price is now closer to €100 a month!!!

Bloody UK, now bloody EU, bloody bloody bloody... etc.

xxx

More like 2X - but that included him going and getting it and posting it to you. You have to expect to pay for convenience.

I would like to know what triggered a rate hike from €22 to €105, though. That's pretty outrageous even for an insurance company.

You say that, but in 2008 I paid €340 for a six month policy, that actually cost €132 when I got the documents through from Arisa - for €208 I'd bloody walk down the road to the local insurance office for you - hell, I could get a bargain flight* to Germany and do the paperwork myself and still be quids in! (*I was in the UK at the time I might add)

I'd be more than happy to pay Knopf tours a reasonable 'administration fee' on top of the insurance cost, but not when they charge you €56 (for something that costs €22) every month you have the policy...

Sure you might suck it up if you're only in Europe for a month or two, but I imagine most people from the US bringing their own bike over are going to want to stay for some length of time?

J x

In Stefan's defense, he gave me all sorts of good service without asking a dime--most of it unrelated to insurance. Other stuff I paid for. If he wants to market insurance with a substantial markup, that's fine with me. If I don't want to purchase from him, I won't.

He also shipped a bike for me. I'm sure he marked that up as well.....but he gave me a place to change oil and to store the bike on both ends, and he took care of various stuff that I forgot, served as go-between when I had scheduling difficulties, met me on a streetcorner when I couldn't find my way even though he had better things to do with his time.... Plus I stayed in his unfinished house and ate dinner with his adorable kids. Try asking Arisa for that kind of service.

I mean, really: my second time around I bought insurance from Arisa directly. But I made that choice deliberately. No one held a gun on me (as we Americans are fond of saying, for some unfathomable reason).

Enjoy!

Mark

(from Mendoza Argtentina, where the sun never stops shining....as far as I can tell)

Arisa
 

well, doesn't really matter where you go nowadays to get your car/bike insured as ARISA went up to 105 euros a month!
ride safe

Green card in Lisbon
 

Hello,
I will be flying my bike to Lisbon then traveling through Spain to Morocco. Can I buy green card insurance at the airport or in Lisbon rather than doing it by mail?

thanks,

Tim

Without really knowing I dare say that it's extremely unlikely: hardly any vehicle arrives there, so who and why should they sell insurance there? Your best bet would probably be the Portuguese AA. But, if you can't find insurance on the spot then you won't have any...

German ADAC green card
 

It was said somewhere (possibly here) that the costs of the German ADAC greencard insurance/ Grenzversicherung had gone up from the reasonable euro 22 a month to something astronomical.

My parents live in Germany and I asked my mum to check the new price. At her local ADAC office they said, if you do it yourself, it will cost euro105 for 29 days.

So a 400% increase!:thumbdown: B*stards!

Chris

Unsure about insure
 

Hello all,
I'm trying to get myself organised to do a 2-3 month tour around Europe, starting in June 2010. I plan to get one of the Hubbers to buy a bike for me in the UK, which he will onsell once I have completed the trip.
What I need to know, is just about everything about insurance I will require both in the UK and once I am in Europe. What is the deal with a green card if the bike is registered in the UK ? Who are the best people to deal with in the UK ?
I have a UK drivers license, left over from courier days in London and I can rearrange the address without too much bother, but I'm not sure if that is going to be of any assistance to me or not.
Any advice would be most welcome.
Cheers,
Gav.

Hi Gav - I'd think the best thing to do, if you are only here for two or three months, and your friend here is willing of course, is to get them to buy the bike, and tax/insure it, but with you as a named driver on the insurance policy? A UK insurance policy is valid for all EU countries, so you'll have no problem traveling in Europe (if you want to go to Morocco, you'll need to ask your insurer for an extension, it varies depending on the underwriter). To buy a bike and tax it for use in the UK, you need an insurance policy anyway - so that would have to be arranged for your friend to collect the bike. Adding you to their insurance policy should be no problem.

Having a UK licence certainly helps in this regard (as long as it is still valid, which I imagine it is, unless you're 70 years old!), and since you have no no-claims bonus for the insurance anyway, it won't matter adding you as a named driver, you'll be paying the top price for that anyway...

The only other thing you'll have to do is get a letter from the 'owner' saying they authorize you to use their bike (as the machine is still registered in their name/address) since this may be asked for abroad for example - although to be fair, there are no boarder controls to speak of between EU countries anymore...

Obviously, your friend in the UK has to trust you with 'their' bike - and their insurance policy, although since you are paying for these yourself, as long as their is an understanding/deposit between you, I'm sure that would work out?

J xx

I have just checked with Arisa, and the details now for a motorcycle really are as follows:

(minimum ) 29 days = 105,00 Euros
2 months = 210,00 Euros
3 months = 315,00 Euros
4 months = 420,00 Euros

Not much of a discount there, then...

I asked about the increase and received the reply:
'sorry, but since December 2009 we have new premiums in the motorcycle insurance. '

Bad news, indeed. :censored:
Stephan

Or...this marginally less expensive alternative:


How does Non European Green Card Insurance work?

• "15 days - Euro 70
• 30 days - Euro 90
• 45 days - Euro 120

up to 180 days - Euro 290"

That's an interesting link (Mototouring/UCI) - thanks, CourtFisher - and they accept credit cards which would save hassle and costs with the bank transfer that Arisa require. Has anyone here actually used UCI successfully? And does the policy cover the same countries as Arisa? Thanks.
Stephan

Thanks JMo,
That sounds to me like a very sensible idea. I will give my mate a call and see how he feels about going that way.
The only thing with the license is that the address is 20 years old, but changing it shouldn't present too much trouble.

My understanding of their site is that it DOES in fact cover a few more countries than ARISA while being slightly cheaper and possibly easier to obtain with the credit card. The page states that they "can issue a Green Card policy valid for the EU countries and other European countries". After having a look at their useful map, the countries that are outside the European Community where their greencard insurance IS good would appear to be Switzerland & Croatia. It also appears to be good for places such as Spain where I don't believe ARISA covers. Switzerland is great for me because I will be spending around 6 months of my time living and working there.

They also say that the policy is renewable as many times as you need which is great because if I understand it correctly, the ARISA policy had a limit of up to 1 year on any 1 motorcycle.

This thread spans something like 4 years, and I am brand new to these wonderful forums, but are we to believe that currently, since the ARISA policy went up 4x in price about a year ago (ADAC being underwritten by ARISA), that Mototouring is now the best option for greencard insurance on our North American registered bikes? I will be e-mailing Mototouring in due time to try and confirm some of these details, and will keep you updated.

Arisa Reply
 

Yasterday I e-mailed both Jessica at ARISA, and Mototouring. I heard back from a new sournce, Sonja (having e-mailed Jessica) this morning, and she sent me a full one page word doc. on the subject. I know people have already copied and pasted their responses from ARISA above, but I think this one has a little more detail. This information is fresh as of April 8th, 2010, so a little more up to date. I am waiting to hear back from Mototouring (the more favorable option in my opinion) and will post what they have to say.

*Update* For anyone interested, there is NO age restriction (other than min. drivers licence age I would assume) or price increase on ARISA Greencard insurance. It is also good in Switzerland.

Just insured my bike NZ regestered bike useing Mototouring in Italy. Paid with credit card for 6 months. Cost 315 euro or something like that. Recieved the document in an e-mail in a PDF today, took 13 days this was due to the insurance company closed over easter. only slight problem is Croatia (HR) is crossed out on the insurance papers. The web site map covers it. Have e-mailed them. (probably a mistake). heaps cheaper than the 630 euro Arisa would have charged.

Cheers Miles

Hi Miles, great to hear it worked out for you with Mototouring! I was wondering, did you get an e-mail reponse from them through their 'contact us' forum on their web site? Or, do you have a direct e-mail for one of there staff who got in touch with you? I have e-mailed them twice in the last 10 days through their contact us function which doesn't actually give you an e-mail address, but have had no reply.

I would like to get more info from them on any possible age restriction, and also, if there is a one year limit as with ARISA. Any idea?

Thanks, Tom

hi Thomas

not aware of any age restrictions with Mototouring. I belive you can insure your bike as long as you like, done mine for 6 months.
I faxed my documents etc straight to them and called a 10 days later to check on progress.
Croatia is not covered with their insurance. when i asked they ckecked with the underwriters and it is not. they will edit the map of countries covered.

Cheers Miles

That is good to hear Miles. Were you able to communicate in english when you called, or do you speak Italian? After not being answered on my e-mails, or my phone call, I asked a family friend from Italy to give them a call. I will post the definite answers to my questions once I hear back from him.

I have finally heard back from Mototouring through an Italian speaking friend. For those interested, the contact there said that there was NO age limit, and NO time length limit. Great news for me. This is simply what their spokes person said, and I will not actually be applying for the insurance for a few months. Hope this helps others out there. Seems like all points point to MotoTouring as the best sournce for GreenCard Insurance.

Mototouring Italy contact.
 

Emailed and Called the "mototouring" company in Italy.

Fastest repsonse was to call them and then they sent me a email. You can get their telepohone number from their website and the guy "Frabrizio" can talk a little english, enough to get your email address and send you the details, got the impression that they seem OK. The only issue is for any european registered bikes, ie, UK, FR etc they cannot help out, so for the ones that have their bike registered in another EU country, back to the Drawing board guys and gals.

But otherwise if coming from out of the EU , i think they seem to look like good option.

Also, here is some direct email addresses if you don't get a response from the website contact form.

<info@mototouring.com> (frabrizio himself.)

and

Mariaelena - Mototouring Srl <rental@mototouring.com>

Hope this helps someone.

OPENEYES.

Price update from Knopf.
 

In July of 2007 I purchased 30 days of insurance from Stefan Knoph or the price of $65 US. Just yesterday I asked about insurance from him again. (The process went so smooth last time and I found Stefan and his company easy to deal with.) To my surprise the quote he sent for 30 days is now 153 Euros! I like the service I had last time so will most likely bite the bullet and go with Stefan again. It looks like if a person wants to go through the trouble of making bank transfers at who knows what expence they may be able to save a bit with another company but is it worth the trouble? A simple PayPay transaction with Knoph and it is done.

Don Siewert

That's not an issue at all: if you can register your bike in an EU country then you can insure it there, too. In many EU countries it is even a pre-requisite.

MotoTouring GreenCard, Alternate Info
 

Openeyes, I had almost the same experience as you, and dealt with the same two individuals, but very helpful and friendly.

I got a scan of the green card today, and have been told that it is in the mail. Paid via credit card, no problems, so I would say my transaction went very smoothly, and would recommend them. Attached is a copy of my green card with some information scratched out, but it gives you specific country code info. I was happy to see that it covers Cyprus as well, if that does end up being my only way out of Israel.

As far as green card insurance on a EU registered bike, I have to agree with beddhist. It would seem to be an advantage if your bike is registered in the EU and you want to ride in the EU.


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I also picked up some alternate green card information while I was doing my research on shipping. Firstly, the shipping company called Warren, based out of NYC is a former touring company that has a partnership with Knopf Tours in Germany. I spoke with a nice woman in NYC who seems to have a voice impediment of some type, so we decided to talk via e-mail instead. She was very helpful over e-mail, and explained that her website is extremely out of date. They only ship into Germany, and the prices are off. Still, this was one of the cheapest option for flying the bike out of all the places I checked out. I would have dealt with her, but I simply didn't want to drive my bike to NYC without insurance right before my trip.

So that brings me to the second option. I choose to ship with motorcycle express, another company based out of NYC that has several good reviews here on the HUBB. They were the ONLY company that would ship out of Toronto by plane, and seeming the ONLY company to ship out of anywhere other than NYC by plane. Also, the most expensive option, but I had a great customer service experience, and they have been very helpful. I dealt with a woman named Gail, who informed me that they have now (starting about May, 2010) struck up a deal with an un-named green card insurance provider in Germany. Basically, they offer green card insurance like anyone else, but bring it together in a nice package etc. Good marketing I guess, but way too much money for me.

The one difference, and the only reason I am mentioning all this here, is that they offer full coverage, which to the best of my knowledge, is not offered by any other company. I am 19, and do not qualify for their insurance, but I politely told them anyways, that I wouldn't be buying green card insurance from them - as you might imagine the cost is INSANE. Not for me. Anyways, thought I would mention that here for any who really MUST have full coverage. She was also keen to know where I was getting such cheap insurance from (relatively), and has now recommended another non-eligible customer to Mototouring.

Motorouring works well.

I just received the green card this week, it was ready in two working days.
Fabrizio and Mariaelena are very friendly and helpful.

Paying Mototouring with credit card is much easier than dealing with Arisa that only accepts bank transfers and take long to process.

New rates with Adac, Arisa or UCI are way too expensive, going from 22 to 100 euros a month for this kind of basic insurance is insane.

:scooter::palm:

Since Adac / Arisa / Knoph increased rates so much here is a useful link with more affordable green card rates.

Ufficio Centrale Italiano/Polizze temporanee di frontiera

UCI is italian company where Mototouring gets the policies, rates as follows:






60 euros - 15 days
75 euros - 30 days
95 euros - 45 days
145 euros - 90 days
240 euros - 180 days

Agency addresses and tel numbers are listed on the web site, riders shipping to Italy may find this helpful.

:welcome:
Mototouring obviously charges extra for same policy but Fabrizio and Mariaelena provide awsome service and credit card payment is a huge plus.

I'm heading off to Spain and Morocco next week shipping my bike from LA via DHL (cheapest shipping by far!). I got insurance through mototouring and, except for the hassle of my bank repeatedly denying the charge because it's a foreign transaction, it was a smooth process and they were very friendly, via email at least.

However, due to CA DMV screwing up my title, I'm making a last minute bike change and taking one of my other bikes but there isn't time now to have an insurance card mailed to my US address.

So my question is, does customs accept the emailed copy of the insurance card or do they require the original?

I also used mototouring, fast & friendly. I just got a month, as I can get it cheaper in Bulgaria, but have to have the bike there for some reason.

I shipped into Germany & used a printed copy that was emailed to me, as I didnt have the original yet. I had no problems.

If you dont mind, PM me the DHL story.
Im always looking for a better way to ship a bike.

Thanks, Doug

Greencard insurance comparison Mototouring, Arisa.
 

Since arriving in Europe last July 2009 we have seen as noted on this sticky that Arisa have drastically put up their prices.

My last contact from them in May had the current 2010 price list as follows:
(minimum ) 29 days = 105,00 Euro
2 month = 210,00 Euro
3 month = 315,00 Euro
4 month = 420,00 Euro

This is a 430% increase!! :nono:

Now the comparison with MotoTouring in Milan (note the price increase from previous post):
15 days: 78,00 Euro
30 days: 98,00 Euro
45 days: 124,00 Euro
90 days: 189,00 Euro
180 days: 312,00 Euro


Milan MotoTouring doesn't have 12months insurance but will extend without limit so long as you have registration in your country of origin (outside of the EU).

If i fly from Australia and buy a UK bike do i need a Green Card insurance to travel in the EU or can i just get a cheap pay by the month policy then cancel when i am finished with the bike. Locky.

I just found that DZI insurance in Sofia, Bulgaria will sell a green card for 75 leva for 3 months (40 euros!) only covers EU countries tho.
they wont do it via mail (I asked) you have to go to the office to get it.
maximum 3 months, but can be renewed.
address is
3 G. Benkovski, Sofia
its right across the street from the russian church.

hope this helps

Doug

[url=http://www.dzi.bg]

Hi locky,

The best option for you would be the pay as you go model from eBike Insurance - Welcome to eBike Insurance

Insurance is also valid in Europe.

Enjoy your trip!

Frank

Westbound Turkey to Bulgaria/Greece... buy at Bulgarian border!
 

Like many, I used MotoTouring for Green Card insurance bringing my bike from Canada to the EU last April. 124 Euro for 45 days if I remember. I thought it was a pretty good deal in comparison and nice folks to deal with. Once I got to Turkey, however, had to buy insurance there ($10 US... "one month... three months... it's all the same"). Then later, headed back west, I contacted MotoTouring again for new coverage but there was not enough time to get the original and so I just took my chances at the Bulgarian border. Whoa! Glad I did. I crossed just west of Edirne, Turkey at the Captain Andreevo crossing near the triple junction between Greece, Turkey and Bulgaria. Nice office there. Lady was very helpful. 50 Bulgarian Leva (about $33.50 US) per month or about 1/4 the price. Exact same coverage and exclusions as MotoTouring was offering.

I think I'd still use MotoTouring for shipping into the EU as it is nice to have insurance in hand before you get there, but for traveling east to west, buy it at the Bulgarian border. :D

Does this BG insurance cover the whole of Europe? Did you get a Green Card with that?

Hi Peter
you get a green card that covers all of the EU, the same as from moto touring.
Does not cover SRB,MK,UA, etc

If you have a bike registered in BG, you get a green card cheaper, & it covers ALL of europe.
Ive had no luck finding someone to issue one for a non BG registered bike.

Doug

That's good news, thanks.

Car insurance
 

Hi there,

We have a UK registered landcruiser which we are preparing for an overland trip. We need to modify the suspension to increase the payload and clearance, but have just found out our current insurance company won't insure us if our car is modified at all, and we can't find any other insurance companies to cover us as we don't have any no claim bonus. We are off to Europe for three 1/2 weeks in September. Can anyone recommend a cheap third party insurance company that covers UK registered vehicles? Sounds like the Italian one doesn't insure EU registered vehicles? After the Europe trip we are coming back to the UK, then we are leaving in February for an overland trip to Cape Town. Any help much appreciated.
Thanks

Eligibility Requirements for European insurance coverage:

• You are not a citizen of the country in which you will be travelling or living.
• You will keep US/Canadian license plates on your motorcycle
• The motorcycle to be insured is not a sports- or high performance motorcycle or over 1500cc
• You are at least 25 years of age and not over 65 years of age (Drivers over 65 MAY be eligible)
• The motorcycle to be insured is not a rental, short term lease or buyback
• You own the motorcycle to be insured
• The motorcycle is not over 20 years old or valued over $30,000."

can i get greencard (insurance) for my europe trip if im under 24 years old and im take my honda cbr600f4i with me?

Just a quick "me too" on mototouring.com. Cheap (considering the options- 98E for 30 days) insurance that you can get online before you arrive and they'll send you a scan of the green card if you can't get the original before you arrive.

I dealt with Mariaelana (mariaelena@mototouring.com) and she was great.

Mototouring s.r.l. – tour operator & motorcycle rental
Via del Ricordo 31 - 20128 - Milano - Italy
Tel. +39.0227201556- Fax +39.0293660584
P.I./C.F. 11303890153
Mototouring - motorcycle / bike rental, motorcycle tours and riding tours throughout the world

+1 for MotoTouring

Mariaelana was very professional and easy to deal with although I think I'll check out Bulgaria when I'm there next... next year probably.

I am curious about this is well- I will be 20 this summer and will need insurance to travel from Germany through the Balkans and out through Turkey, on a US registered KLR 650 in my name

What options are there?

Jake