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motoride 24 Jan 2005 13:54

Buy bike in US, rtw and back to Australia
 
Hi,I'm veryX3 happy to know this site,it's so helpful..^^
I'm Korean and holder of Australian residenceship and I'd like to buy the motorcycle in US to save the initial shipping cost of 2,500 AUD from Sydney to L.A. and travel the world over 2 year.
(North-South america-Euroupe-Asia-Australia)
If I buy the bike in US(such as 2005 F650GS),how about registration? Is it possible to buy?
In this case,what should I do to get back the deposit of carnet after I export the bike to Australia permenantly after rtw?
Also,I don't know how much do I pay for the import tax to Australia.
Please,give your priceless opinion and forgive my poor English.^^
I can't make choice between buy the bike in US or Australia.
Which is the best choice?
Thanks.

SH,Kang


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simmo 24 Jan 2005 15:21

Hi SHK

The Carnet is probably the determining factor. In order to get a Carnet in the US you would need a US address and have to arrange your deposit bond or insurance in the US...someone may be better able to explain US procedures to you here. I had this problem when deciding wether to buy in the UK or ship to Europe as I needed a Carnet for Iran.

As you are resident in Australia you could get your Carnet in Australia at your residential address and organise the deposit bond insurance through the NRMA,RACV etc.

If you have the time it is not too expensive to send the bike by ship to the US eg Sy-LA, this might save you money in the long run. You could then fly over to meet it and ride away.

I believe the import tax for motorcycles to Australia is 10% of the value, however to register it here you need to show the roads authority that it meets the Australian Design Regulations. This is relatively simple if the bike is a model common to australia ( such as the F650GS) but can be difficult otherwise.

cheers

alec

beddhist 24 Jan 2005 16:48

If you avoid Ecuador you won't need the carnet until Iran. By then your carnet may well have expired... Perhaps the German automobile club www.adac.de will provide you with one? Try contacting them.

Don't import your bike into AUS on a carnet! Get your import clearance beforehand. The Oz govt. has a website, check the Carnet link on the left.

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Salut from Southern France, the bikers' paradise,

Peter.

motoride 25 Jan 2005 13:31

Oh,thanks for reply.
Hm..I think the 1 year carnet will be expired when it's time to enter Iran. So if I don't need the carnet from US gov,is it possible to buy the bike in US? How about registration? ^^
Because the price of F650G is chipper in US,10% Australian tax can be handled.
What do you think?

Simon Harby 27 Jan 2005 09:40

Re shipping into Australia, we have just done this and used our carnet de passage. It couldnt have been simpler. I am not sure what the worry is about using a carnet is Aus??


simmo 27 Jan 2005 13:37

Simon I dont think its the temporary import on the carnet thats the issue, rather the attempt to permanently import after its come in on a carnet. Permanent imports are treated diferently.

cheers

alec

motoride 28 Jan 2005 12:28

Yeah!! I find that I can buy the bike in US with my
Korean IDP and tourist B1/B2 US Visa.^^
2005 F650GS is 2,000 USD cheaper than Australia and also
I can save the initial shipping cost of 2,000 USD from Sydney to California.
That is 2,000+2,000= 4,000 USD
And Australian importing tax is 10% = 1,000 USD
Total saving= 3,000 USD !! ^^

The only problem is the carnet..
I can ride the North-> South america-> Euroupe-> Turkey with no carnet
(I think this route will take 1 and half year).
So,the problem is after that, I mean pass the Iran for Asia.

In this case,is it possible to get the carnet from Euroupe such as www.adac.de or
from US by mail ? (but you said that I cannot get the carnet from US because
I'm not resident).
If it can, do I have to return to Germany to get back the deposit?
Or can I just pay the 2 % insurance of total deposit amount?
(Is it refundable? or not?.. I don't know..T.T)
If 2% insurance fee is not refundable,I'd like to take the following route to avoid carnet.
(Because,Iran,Pakistan and India need a carnet..wow! what a huge money for this!!)

If there is the way of avoiding Iran,I'll take that because
China and Russia don't require carnet. But I don't know how to pass without Iran for Asia.
Is there another way for this? Such as crossing the Caspian sea from Azerbaijan to
Turkmanistan by ship.^^ (On the map,it seems very close..^^)
If it's possible, I can ride without carnet on North-> South america-> Euroupe-> Turkey
->Azerbaijan->Turkmanistan->China->Tailand->Australia. ^^
It it's impossible,next choice will be Euroupe->Russia->China->Tailand->Australia.

Please, desperately need your help..!!

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beddhist 28 Jan 2005 14:09

China is impossible without guides and very expensive. Some Asian countries also require carnet. Contact the ADAC for info on whether they can help you.

The insurance premium on the carnet is not refundable, of course, but the deposit is.

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Salut from Southern France, the bikers' paradise,

Peter.

liketoride2 28 Jan 2005 20:25

In the US carnets are obtained through the Candadian Automobile Association, not the American AA for some unknown reason. If you go to: http://www.caa.ca/e/travel/id/passages-usa.shtml you will find info on applying for the carnet, fees, etc., and can download an application form there.

It would seem from the application form that you don't need to be a US resident to get the carnet, but only to have a US mailing address. Perhaps the dealership that you buy the bike from would allow you to use their address for this purpose.

The phone number for CAA is (613)247-0118, then ask for the department for carnets. I've heard from a friend that the person who deals with carnets for CAA is named Suzanne and that she is very helpful. Perhaps if you called her and described your situation she could help.

I hope this info is of some help. Good luck and have a great trip.

Mike

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motoride 29 Jan 2005 13:53

Thanks for rely..wow..I'm so suprised of your fast feedback!!

1.ADAC
I cannot find the E-mail address to ask them directly because they service only in Germany on webpage.T.T
Q)I don't know if I can get the carnet from them.
But I download the carnet guide and it said that;
-I must return carnet to ADAC by expiration date.
(Q: Is it possible to do by mail? or do I have to go in person?)
-It shows bank gurantee is 3,000 for 15,000 bike for
Esypt,India,Iran,Parkistan and South africa.
(Q:Bank gurantee is the fee or deposit?
Q: Does it means only 3,000 for all this countries or
3,000 X number of country?)

2.China is expensive and need guide? Why?
You mean the Tibet? One of my friend cross the
Taklamakan and Gobi desert by cycle,alone.
I don't know what you are meaning..???

3.Yeah! I'll ask to CAA ..^^

Thanks.
SH,Kang

beddhist 31 Jan 2005 03:12

Quote:

1.ADAC
I cannot find the E-mail address to ask them directly because they service only in Germany on webpage.

(Q: Is it possible to do by mail? or do I have to go in person?)

(Q:Bank gurantee is the fee or deposit?

Q: Does it means only 3,000 for all this countries or 3,000 X number of country?)

2.China is expensive and need guide? Why?
Carnet: you either fill in a form online, or write to their carnet department:

ADAC Touring GmbH
Grenzverkehr
Am Westpark 8
81373 M√ľnchen

You can return the carnet by mail, but you must appear in person to get it in the first place.

The bank guarantee is an alternative to a deposit, but as a non-resident you will have to deposit the money, as no bank will guarantee anything for you (you are not a customer of theirs). This you will get back. Only one deposit per carnet, not per country. You won't get back the fee (a lot less).

China: Don't know why they are so difficult, but I suspect their govt. is hiding things from its own people. Check out this: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb...ML/000189.html



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Salut from Southern France, the bikers' paradise,

Peter.

simmo 31 Jan 2005 06:12


Hi SHK

your email bounced so I will answer your questions here

The insurance fee guaranteeing the duty payment is not
refundable.

There is
1. Cost of Carnet itself (approx 350 AUD)

2. Deposit Bond covering possible duties (refundable) or insurance (% of total liability) not refundable.

3. Carnet Bond ( around 250AUD) refundable on return.

You can get from Az to Tk or
Kz over the caspian. Just remember that visa situations for Turkmenistan are not reliable. Many travellers use Stantours.

Good luck getting a Carnet in Germany...it would be good to hear how you got on.

You may be able to organise the Carnet from Aus on your trip but check with NRMA/RACV before hand.

cheers
alec

motoride 31 Jan 2005 09:12

Thanks so much..^^;

Few more questions;

1.Only one deposit per carnet, not per country.
This is still so confusing...
If I go to Iran,India,Parkistan and south Asian countries which has different percentage of deposit,
Q)Only have to pay the deposit for Iran as its rate is the most high?
Then,I can go other countries with Iran carnet?
Or what?
I have to know how much money do I pay..!!!

2.ADAC
You mean..If I pay the deposit(I have to), I can get back it by Australian bank account by experation date(within 1 year am I right?)after send back the carnet to them by mail? Don't need to go to ADAC in person ffor this?

3. Is it possible to get the carnet from NRMA(Australia) in Euroupe by mail?

I also think it's better to take the Stantour ,but I have to find which is the best choice to get the carnet for that from..CAA,ADAC or NRMA.
(I mean which is the possible way..^^)
So,I need above information ,Answer me please..^^

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Chris of Japan 31 Jan 2005 14:50

For information on Carnets, why don't you contact the Korea Automobile Association
http://www.kaa21.or.kr
I think they are member of the FIA that issues the carnets.
http://www.kaa21.or.kr/kaainfo/info_main06.asp They should be able to answer all your questions in Korean, even if they cannot actually issue the carnet to you.

motoride 1 Feb 2005 14:23

WoW...!!
Why can't I think of that !!
Korean Carnet..!!

Thanks..I'll try and let you guys know..^^


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