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chris 21 Aug 2011 17:39

ATA Carnet question (NOT Carnet de Passage et Douane)
 
Hi guys

Has anybody had experience using an ATA Carnet, not a Carnet de Passage et Douane?

For 2012, an option is to freight a dirtbike to Mongolia and do some riding there and in Siberia. I contacted a reputable German freight company who send monthly containers (including bikes) to Ulan Bataar and the German chap said I would require an ATA carnet from my Chamber of Commerce. I questioned whether he meant CdPeD and he confirmed the ATA carnet is what I must have. Apparently Mongolia doesn't recognise the CdPeD. (Arriving at a landborder you don't need either of them...)

I found this link,
The London Chamber of Commerce
but before I call them (I'm currently out of the UK) it would be good to hear if anyone else has used/needed to use one for their bike/car/other stuff.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

cheers
Chris

Zimi 31 Aug 2012 10:44

I got this information, probably from the same guy as you (Andreas Koenig), that you have 2 options:

- Make an ATA Carnet and then the bike must be out of Mongolia 3 months after it came in.

- If you don't have the ATA Carnet, you will have to pay a 21% tax at the customs for your bike. Andreas told me that often it is pretty hard to get this money back when you exit the country. But this is an option if you want to sell your bike in Mongolia for exemple.

chris 31 Aug 2012 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zimi (Post 391048)
I got this information, probably from the same guy as you (Andreas Koenig), that you have 2 options:

- Make an ATA Carnet and then the bike must be out of Mongolia 3 months after it came in.

- If you don't have the ATA Carnet, you will have to pay a 21% tax at the customs for your bike. Andreas told me that often it is pretty hard to get this money back when you exit the country. But this is an option if you want to sell your bike in Mongolia for exemple.


Indeed I received my information from Andreas. He didn't give me the details you state when I had contact with him last year.

FWIW, I "imported" my Transalp (for up to 1 year) 2 days ago at Mongolia Customs in UB, so I can park it here without stress for me or the supplier of the parking. (I'll find out tomorrow morning when I fly out if there's really no stress for me!).

My bike hasn't actually officially been "exported" from the UK...

I paid 15.5% tax on an alleged bike value of usd600, which I theoretically can get back next year when I return and leave for Russia.

I don't think anyone, least of all Mongolia Customs, knows what the rules are or aren't :stupid:. I think it depend on the phase of the moon, who is getting evicted on Celebrity Big Brother or on how many different types of vodka on a supermarket shelf can be called "Chinngis"....

chris 1 Sep 2012 10:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris (Post 391076)
(I'll find out tomorrow morning when I fly out if there's really no stress for me!).

Made it through UB airport no problem. Did the usual passport/visa stamp/hand luggage x-ray thing that everybody does at every airport. Either it was no problem leaving the bike, cos they don't have any way of checking how I arrived, they don't care how I arrived or the day spent at Mong Customs "importing" my bike into Mongolia was worthwhile. I suggest it's either of the first 2 options.

Whatever, the storer of the bike is happy that they have a copy of the piece of paper I received at Mong Customs saying that I paid 15.5% import tax.

I did have a problem getting Ernie (goat skull, as seen in river drowning video) out in my hold luggage though. I now have lovely piece of paper called "Certificate for Parasitic current and disinfection" and am usd21 poorer (no receipt was available and the bloke who took the money was fat. I wonder how he gets the money to eat so much?:oops2:


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