Hi
We just back from our trip to africa , and we did it without CDP , if you need more info please contact

I did 11 countries in west Africa 7 month ago without carnet and was asked about it only once in Cameroon border with Nigera. No one bothers to check your driving licence or insurance either.

Hi chris73uk,

what route/countries did you cross?

Cheers,
RN

Did Africa... ? A little vague..

I think you only really need one for Egypt and Sudan.. but life is sooooo much easier with one.

Stamp , stamp, Cheers !!

brrrrrmmmmmmmm

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The carnet is required in Egypt and Sudan. They also ask for it in Chad and Cameroon, but you can blag your way in without one.
In Cameroon they allowed me in without one and in Chad they gave me a temporary import document valid for one month.
Morocco free, Mauritania small charge, Mali free , Burkina Faso small charge, Togo small charge, Benin small charge, Nigeria free, Cameroon free, Chad free, Sudan small charge.
I haven't been to Egypt, but they are so corrupt, one would probably have to pay even if in possession of a carnet.

There are reports of riders doing the full round african route without a carnet...

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...769#post382414

I believe and hope the major hassle/expense is Egypt!

I can relate to the fact that having a Carnet is soooo much easier but is the expense (including huge deposits and such) really worth it....

I'm planning an african round trip (to SA and back) on a 03 XT600 and they are asking me for €500 for the carnet and a €15,000 deposit!!???
The deposit is 3 times the value of the bike as new....wtf....it's a 12 year old bike!???

Meaning I think I'll risk it without a carnet!

Cheers,
RN

Risk.....well.....there is no fun without risk.

what exactly means "small fee"? i am also thinking about doing the trip without a carnet, but if i have to "bribe" my bike into nearly every country in west-africa i might end up cheaper getting a carnet beforehand. (not considering the deposit though of course)..
and is it really true that no one asks about international insurance? same for morrocco?
i appreciate any thought

Hi,
I travelled 2002 - 2005 with two Carnet de Passage across Asia and India - two carnets, because after only 3 days I had a crash in Latvia with a drunken car driver (after midnight): broken legs, 7 months rehabilitation and then buy one more BMW R 80 GS, and of course one more Carnet.

Only in India I had problems with the custom - not for come into the country from China / Nepal, but only to get out to Pakistan across Wagah-border (Arimtsar / Lahore); there they have a very properly border procedure, even with daily parades, no exeptions possible:
They did not want to let me out of India, because my carnet was valid only one year, but my second start to travel (with a fine new Carnet) was in January 2003, 3 1/2 years before.
I told the custom officers, that of course this Carnet is still guilty, because I must bring back this "old" Carnet with a EU-custom stamp and only then I will get back my 3000 €. All my trying (also offering some money) did not help, I had to let back my bike in India - where it is standing and waiting for me until today!!

And back home in Germany, of course I did not get back my deposit money from the german auto-club ADAC - I had to wait and write and wait, etc. until 2013, then finally I got my money back, 14 years after I made the deposit of 3000 € to the ADAC (of course with no interest money!!)

Therefore never again with Carnet!! - also because I am no longer inhabitant of any country; I am a traveller for the coming ten years; the world is my home (and the roads and garages!).

Norbert Berentz
- actual in Pointe-Noire (Congo - Brazzaville), looking for an angolan visa!

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