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Advise on Carnet
I have an AT 750XRV registered in the US and I am an Italian national - bike is currenltly in Italy.
Which country would need to issue me a carnet?
Is the carnet based on citizenship or country of registration?
Searched the web for answer - no results.
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There's no absolute answer to your question, but I would suggest that you start with the country the bike is registered in. For North American registered bikes, the carnet issuer is the Canadian Automobile Association (CAA).
See further info about carnets, and CAA contact details in the Trip Planning section on our site:
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/tri...er/index.shtml
Suzanne Danis at the CAA can answer specific questions and advise the amount needed depending on the countries you will be visiting. You can e-mail her at sdanis@national.caa.ca
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Hi
Just found out that Carnets issued by the UK AA will not cover Pakistan and are not likely to in the forseeable future.
However, the RAC Carnet does cover Pakistan at the 500% duty rate.
The cost of indemnity insurance for the carnet is 10% of 500% of the value of the bike, or 50% of the bike value (approx £1500 in my case). This covers countries en route UK to Oz. Half of this premium is refundable if the carnet is discharged at the end of the trip.
Anyway, this is a lot of dosh. Especially when you realise that the indemnity insurance company will still claim the 500% duty back from you (£15,000 for a £3000 bike!) if something goes wrong and you don't get your carnet stamped.
It may be possible to get double indemnity insurance, anyone have experience of this?
Otherwise a bank guarantee is the best bet, especially if you've got to pay the duty anyway if something goes wrong.
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Sean,
I'm a member of the AA but as you said, they couldn't give me a carnet for where I want to go.
Check this link out. I have just got my carnet from the ADAC (German Auto club)
They still issue carnets which include Pakistan, Iran, India and Egypt.
If you are not a member and have a UK reg bike (probably any EU vehicle) it'll cost you a couple of hundred €'s. You then give a deposit .. either cash of bank guarantee for €3000. This is if you want to go to those countries aforementioned with a vehicle of value less than €15000 (most of us I'm sure).
The bank guarantee has to be from a German bank so either way you have to have the cash. I personally transferred €3000 to the ADAC's bank account.
Superb service, give them a go.
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I am with Spud on this one. We tried to get Carnets from the AA and RAC but no joy after September 11th.
I also followed Martens advise (follow Spuds link)and the ADAC have issued us a Carnet for our Landrover Defender for all countries including Egypt.
We did exactly the same and transferred money to them. The Carnet is more expensive but the deposit is lots cheaper and whats more possible to attain.
I have a breakdown of actual costs if you want but it was about Euro 3300 altogether, with 3000 back afterwards.
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Hi Jasper
Interesting, why and when did the RAC turn you down? They gave me every indication that there would be no problem.
NatWest bank were happy to give me a £15K bank guarantee if I moved my current account from HSBC, HSBC are now reviewing whether they can offer a similar guarantee to retain my account!
Cost was approx 2% per annum (£300) which seems reasonable.
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Hi Sean,
I don't think the AA or RAC were turning us down, they simply weren't going to be able to give us carnets for Pakistan or Eygpt.
I guess it depends where you want to go really.
ps. I got my carnet issued 2 weeks ago so this is up to date info.
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Again in complete agreement with Spud. Both AA and RAC can't issue for Egypt but other country Carnets would be OK.
Full details are :- AA has uprate on India, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Banglsdesh and Libya. Total exclusion Pakistan and Egypt
RAC on 17/09/01 - Total exclusion on Yemen, Pakistan, Oman, Egypt, India, Afghanistan.
This was the case all up to the end of last year. We then found out about the ADAC and so I stopped chasing RAC and AA. They may have relaxed again by now for some countries, but still no Egypt. Even if this was the case we would still have to come up with 500% of GBP 8000 for deposit. ADAC is much better option.
I did need a letter from RAC to declare that they had no problems with ADAC issuing. Sue Collins at 01454 208000, Travel Services, provided this. She is a very helpful lady.
We also had our Carnet issued 2 weeks ago and so I back Spuds current status.
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Hi guys
Some more info...
I spoke to the wonderfully helpful Sue Collins yesterday and she thinks I will have no problems with an RAC carnet for pakistan or india. This is assuming that the political situation does not deteriorate between now and September when I set off.
My understanding is that the RAC itself has no problem with these countries, but it is the insurance underwriter who may be unhappy with the risk. As I have just negotiated a 12 month £12500 bank guarantee with my bank for £150, I should not have a problem.
Hope I'm getting this all right!!!!
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Sean,
I guess if the RAC are willing to give you a carnet for Pakistan when you go then all is well. A lot of cash to have held against your name though maybe? Expensive vehicle? I have given the ADAC around £1800 as a deposit for a Honda Dommie.
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Hi Spud!
Well, the £12500 guarantee is based on 500% of the value of my £2500 '94 GS, which is the highest duty that would be payable on my trip, should something go wrong.
Is your ADAC thing a 'double indemnity' i.e. they don't come to you for the 500% duty if you lose the bike?
The RAC's Davison insurance is only single indemnity i.e. they cover the duty in the short term to get you out of the hole but hit you for it later.
This means I would end up paying the £12500 plus their £1500 fee. You have to pay a lot more to them for double indemnity and Sue says most people don't bother.
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Hi Sean,
Not sure to be honest!
Basically I looked at the carnet as something I had to have to allow me to take my bike into other countries. Maybe I am being a bit 'happy go lucky' but I think that the carnet is really just another required piece of paper. If you can get one cheap then all well and good. I think it doesn't matter who you get your carnet from.. then main thing is NOT to lose your bike! Or at least.. don't lose the frame or engine (or the plates with the numbers on).
It the bike is stolen then you'll have a job to convince the authorities that you didn't sell it. I feel happier that I have effectively only given someone £1800 rather than £12500. I am not that hot at German but didn't see any 500% clause with the ADAC.
Maybe Jasper can help on this one?
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Very strange indeed!
We got our carnets before 11th September and so they are valid for the whole list of signatory countries. Australia has been crossed out because we didn't ask for it and Iraq also - but no problem with Egypt.
Kim Murphy at the AA is excellent.
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Hi Lisa,
Yup, apparently it was the events of Sept 11th that caused Pakistan to be removed from the list (AA). I guess these things change all the time though so you just have to keep on the ball.
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the main thing is NOT to lose your bike!
And.. not to lose the carnet ! Even if it is completly stamped. It seems many country's claim... even if they have no right... Kind of a lottery for them.'
A good idea is to fotocopy it from time to time and send the copy's home... just in case you lose the paper.
Strangely enaugh the ANWB (dutch AA) told me that the highest duty at the moment is Iran at 120 %. So I don't know what the 500 % is about. (Last year India was 300 %)
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