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ITour price for self-drive based on 1pax with 1 motobike & 2 pax with 1 vehicle 2013: USD7941,- per group

Hi there Jimmy46 - in this deal, is the bike considered one group and the car is considered the other group? Seems rather unfair that the "car group" pays the same as the "bike group"?

I think the way to make China manageable is (a) shortest possible path (b) largest possible group. Arranging a big group is never going to be easy but the traveller always has some options for route.

At 23 days, this route is longer than it needs to be and consequently expensive

Myanmar is starting to thaw out these days. Maybe we can look forward to some competition against the Chinese monopoly in the future.

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Jimmy46

Tomos and myself appear to be the only two who are flexible about which direction we travel in. Either way it involves freighting the bike and ourselves in one direction whether it be AUS to UK or vise versa.

The reason for my post has always been to offset the cost of crossing China by joining with other genuine starters crossing China in 2013. The direction or route in which I cross does not matter as much. I am not gong to pay $14,000 USD to cross by myself.

There have been a few Aussies and a few Brits express interest but nothing concrete yet.

If I understand Tomos correctly he would entertain the prospect of crossing China from Mongolia to Laos as would I if that is the only interest being shown.

The only positive about starting in AUS is that we would be travelling through South East Asia before the monsoon whereas travel the other way would be straight into the monsoon.

If we continue to communicate I am sure will find a cost effective way to cross China.

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I have received a reply from Tibetriesen. They have an inquiry from a 4x4 wishing to transit China ( Mongolia to Laos) in september 2013. There is a possibility to join the group and share costs.

If you travel alone, a working vehicle for our guide is needed, it should be much more expensive.
It is on the best you can travel with another vehicle. From Sept. 2013 we have an inquiry for the routing like below. Maybe you can join in.
Itinerary English version: Mogolia - Erlianhaote – Xian – Sichuan - Yunnan - Mohan – Laos in 23 days:
Day01 Entry in China through Erlianhaote (also Ehrenhot)
Morning
enter China via Mohan border, after custom formalities drive to hotel. 2N at 4*Haifeng Hotel

Day02 Erlianhaote: completion of formalities.

Day03 Erlianhaote Uangab (353km). 1N at 3*Bihai Hotel
Day04 Uangab – Zhangjiakou – Huailai – Great Wall by Badaling (285km in 3.40 St.). 2N at Great Wall
Day05 Great Wall by Badaling: Wandering.
Day06 Badaling – Huailai - Xuanhua - Datong (280km in 3.50 St.). 2N at 4*Yugang International Hotel
Day07 Datong: Yungang caves, Nine-Dragon-Wall. Huayan monastery, Hongqi Market.
Day08 Datong – Hunyuan - Yingxian (141km in 2.30 St.): On the way you can visit wood pagode in Yinxian and hanging monastery in Hunyuan. 1N in Yingxian
Day09 Yingxian - Taiyuan (250km in 3.20 St.): Drive to Taiyuan. On the way visit Jinci Tempel. 1N at 4*Shanxi Grand Hotel
Day10Taiyuan – Yuci– Altstadt Pingyao – Jiexiu – Linfen (255km in 3 St.): You can visit old city Pingyao (UNESCO). 1N in Linfen
Day11 Linfen – Houma – Yuncheng – Weinan - Xian (390km in 5.15 St.). 2N at 4*Grand New World Hotel
Day12 Xian: Terracotta Warriors, Big Wild Goose Pagoda and City Wall, Morschee.
Day13 Xian – Hanzhong(356km in 7 St.). 1N in Hanzhong
Day14 Hanzhong - Guangyuan (Mingyuexia, Thousand-Buddha-Fresco) (184km in 4 St.). 1N at 3*Guangyuan Hotel
Day15Guangyuan (Huangze Si Tempel) – Mianyang – Panda Zoo - Chengdu (158km in 3 St.). 2N at 4*Wuhou Express Holiday Inn
Day16 Chengdu: Qingyang Gong Tempel, Maosoleum of Du Fu, Tee drink in People’s Park, Old city wide and narrow lanes.

Day17
Chengdu – Ya’an (141km in 2 hrs). 1N at 4*Beite Star and Moon Hotel
Day18 Ya’an – Xichang (280km in 3 hrs). In Xichang visit slave museum, Qionghai lake, Datonglou old city). 1N at 3*Pretty Hotel
Day19 Xichang – Panzhihua - Kunming (G108, 507km in 8.11 hrs). 2N at 3*Camelia Hotel
Day20 Kunming: visit Qiongzhu Si Tempel, West Mountain and Dianci Lake, stone forest.
Day21 Kunming – Yuxi (97km in 1.30 hrs). 1N in Yuxi
Day22Yuxi – Mojiang – Pu’er - Jinghong (446km in 6.30 St.). 1N im 3*Yunti Hotel
Day23 Jinghong - Mengla – Mohan (180km in 3 hrs) – Laos: Early morning drive to the border for Laos. Help with the departure formalities.
End of the trip.
Tour price for self-drive based on 1pax with 1 motobike & 2 pax with 1 vehicle 2013: USD7941,- per group



Its a bit late in the year for me but maybe of interest to others.


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Hello

The quickest and shortest way to cross China would be to ride on highways from Mongolia to Laos - which motorbikes are not allowed to do. Bikes are also banned from parts of the major cities.

Don't know that I am looking for quick and short anyway - it's all about the journey. Three to four weeks crossing China is a fair effort on roads that rate between poor to fair.

I have sought quotes from every guide company I could find on the net and all the quotes are very much the same or very close.

Assuming four bikes and a 4 X 4 the costs come down to $3,500 USD approx.
Still expensive.

Got one Brit, Tomos, who is a genuine starter - still looking for more. Still undecided as to direction of travel or route.

Cheers
David

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Hi there Jimmy46 - in this deal, is the bike considered one group and the car is considered the other group? Seems rather unfair that the "car group" pays the same as the "bike group"?

I think the way to make China manageable is (a) shortest possible path (b) largest possible group. Arranging a big group is never going to be easy but the traveller always has some options for route.

At 23 days, this route is longer than it needs to be and consequently expensive

Myanmar is starting to thaw out these days. Maybe we can look forward to some competition against the Chinese monopoly in the future.

cheers
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Transit China

Hi David, subject to timing I am 100% committed to traveling through China.My preferred route is Mongolia to Laos. I know its not going to be less than £2000 plus my costs ( food, fuel and accommodation) and could be 50% more.On the subject of duration I cannot see why you would want to pay all this money then race through China without drawing breath, 30 days would seem to be the norm for this route, I was told that adding a bike to a 4x4 trip would add a few days as bikes are not allowed on expressways.
Just to be clear for this to work for me I need to be entering Laos late mid to late July. If this fits count me in.

Thanks Jimmy
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Jimmy

Tomos contacted me with the good news about another definite starter from the UK side. Tomos himself would prefer to start from UK so it appears that a UK start it will be.

Which Chinese guide company is the quote from? Are the other riders Tomos mentions firming up in their interest?

This is a once in a lifetime trip for me so I want it to be enjoyable. Don't mind the odd day when we do big k's but not a mad rush.

Will keep in contact.
Safe riding.
David

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Hi David, subject to timing I am 100% committed to traveling through China.My preferred route is Mongolia to Laos. I know its not going to be less than £2000 plus my costs ( food, fuel and accommodation) and could be 50% more.On the subject of duration I cannot see why you would want to pay all this money then race through China without drawing breath, 30 days would seem to be the norm for this route, I was told that adding a bike to a 4x4 trip would add a few days as bikes are not allowed on expressways.
Just to be clear for this to work for me I need to be entering Laos late mid to late July. If this fits count me in.

Thanks Jimmy
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Hi David.

I've just come across with your thread and looking for the same info.
I'd rather to make this trip from Europe to SE on the lately 2013 summer.
My goal would be riding on my bike and through Kashgar, take the G219 road to Tibet and get out by Laos or Thailand.

If the shit finally hits the fan... pls count with me.
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Interest in UK to AUS

Thanks Max for your interest.

That is the way our early planning was tracking. I am committed to join forces with Tomos who now has plans to enter via Mongolia.

Please keep in touch. I will try to post updates more often.

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Hi David.

I've just come across with your thread and looking for the same info.
I'd rather to make this trip from Europe to SE on the lately 2013 summer.
My goal would be riding on my bike and through Kashgar, take the G219 road to Tibet and get out by Laos or Thailand.

If the shit finally hits the fan... pls count with me.
Max.
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Update of plans

Thank you to everyone that has shown interest or sent private messages of advice and support.

UPDATE :

I have decided to travel UK to AUS. The decision was made after weighing up the level of committment of those expressing interest.

At this stage I will be joining forces with 'Tomos' and 'Jimmy46' (both Brits but I am prepared to overlook this). My early planning was to enter China via Kazakhstan and exit via Laos. 'Tomos' has found another group entering China via Mongolia. I am happy to change my plans to join with a reasonable sized group through China so as to offset the cost. The point of entry is not absolutely vital.

The internet is full of rumors and mis-information. The latest is that Laos borders are closed to motorcycles or will be closed next year. I have been unable to confirm this information - without adding to the rumors - anyone have a credible source confirming this?

Will try and post updates more regularly.

Cheers
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UPDATE :

For all those still toying with the idea of doing this trip and want to know how long it will take please read the following.

This was my estimation of the travel time I posted some weeks ago. It is as follows BUT those plans have changed and looks like we will cross into China via Mongolia.

Distance alone will not determine how long it will take. Rest days, border crossings, police and government officials, vehicle reliablity, staying injury free, stopping occassionly to smell the roses, etc will all play a part. The distances listed below are all approx. only.

Some European tour companies offer group tours from Moscow to Bangkok or Istanbul to Bangkok. These tours are listed as taking 50 - 60 days. My estimate from UK is approx. 80 days.

Distance UK to Istanbul is approx. 4250 kilometres divided by 300 (distance travelled per day) = 14 days.

Istanbul to Georgia border = 1980 klms divided by 300 = 7 days

Georgia to Chinese border = 4300 klms divided by 300 = 14 days

China time and distance is determined by the guide company we employ. The government determines the route we will take. Different provinces from time to time are no go zones. But I have a quote for 28 days which includes four rest days.

Laos, Thailand and Malaysia will take another 14 days.
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Looking for travel partners.

Plan to travel from AUS to Malaysia, Thailand, Laos and into China. Travelling the Silk Road into Kazakhstan, etc. before ending up in UK. I am also prepared to do the trip in reverse if I cannot find starters in AUS and starters exist in UK.

NAVO, the travel guide company, has given me a quote for a solo crossing of China, which is expensive, so I am looking for other travellers to share the cost.

I have a BMW R1200GS.

I want to travel during the northern hemishere spring, summer or autumn next year 2013. It takes at least three months to get Chinese government permissions.

Two years ago I did a solo bike trip from USA through Mexico and Central America to Chile. Keen to get going again but this time with company.

David
Hi Dave,

I did the Oz to Europe trip back in 2010 and happy to send any info ( GPS, Journals etc ) email bergrider at hotmail dot com or PM here.

I'm in Egypt, finally heading North again ( part 3 of my RTW run ) so please be patient as IT if scarce.

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David,
I have just discovered your blog. Unfortunately I may be a little late. My son and I will be travelling from Australia to Europe next year on two BMW R1200s .We will be leaving Victoria in April, through the centre to Darwin then Singapore to Europe. We originally planned to travel through China but like everyone found the cost to be too high. We are now looking at other routes. We would still like to travel through China. If your current plans change and you decide to go from Aus to UK let us know.
If anyone else out there want to travel through China in June please contact me

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Clive and Chris,
Thanks for the contact. First an apology, I am still learning to use HU so I hope that I am posting this reply in the correct place.
Do yo have a firm idea of your entry and exit points in China?

Paul
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Hi Paul
we are thinking of going up the KKH entering China at the Khunjerab pass,exiting China at Touragart pass.
Were thinking maybe around June ,we are flexiable if we are going to team up with other people.
We do know of 3 other intrested groups with similar plans,im thinking that in the new year we are going to have to make concrete plans with those who are interested.

cheers Clive and Chris

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Information - thank you

Frank

Thank you. No point re-inventing the wheel - I am keen to get as much info. as possible so will be in contact.

Keep safe. When I was in Egypt had to travel in a convoy down to Luxor - still the case? Felt more of a target in the convoy than when I managed to slip out and about by myself.

Cheers
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I did the Oz to Europe trip back in 2010 and happy to send any info ( GPS, Journals etc ) email bergrider at hotmail dot com or PM here.

I'm in Egypt, finally heading North again ( part 3 of my RTW run ) so please be patient as IT if scarce.

Cheers !
Frank.
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Invitation.

Paul

Thank you for making contact. I am committed to a group based in UK. I am betting on the fact that this group will not evaporate and I am left high and dry.

If the worst happens I may be contacting you.

I reckon your trip leaving in April is the way to go. You miss the SE Asia monsoon which starts August/September - then late May/June in China and Europe for their summer.

I was going to ship the bike via Toll Marine, Darwin to Singapore.

Anyway that is all now changed. These Brits I am joining seem genuine, not just dreamers, and I have given my word.

Safe trip and enjoy.
David

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David,
I have just discovered your blog. Unfortunately I may be a little late. My son and I will be travelling from Australia to Europe next year on two BMW R1200s .We will be leaving Victoria in April, through the centre to Darwin then Singapore to Europe. We originally planned to travel through China but like everyone found the cost to be too high. We are now looking at other routes. We would still like to travel through China. If your current plans change and you decide to go from Aus to UK let us know.
If anyone else out there want to travel through China in June please contact me

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