Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > All Miscellaneous questions > Travellers' questions that don't fit anywhere else
Travellers' questions that don't fit anywhere else This is an opportunity to ask any question, and post any notice you wish that doesn't fit into one of the other sections.
Photo by Ellen Delis, Lagunas Ojos del Campo, Antofalla, Catamarca

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Ellen Delis,
Lagunas Ojos del Campo,
Antofalla, Catamarca



Like Tree2Likes
  • 2 Post By John Downs

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 7 Oct 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 37
So, costs of indefinite travelling

I'm in a rather fortunate position. My house will rent for a good chunk more than my monthly mortgage payment is. With all investments, minus all costs, I should clear circa £1,000 (GBP) a month (could be more if I switched to interest only, but would like to keep paying off the capital). Indefinitely. I also will have some savings to work from also.

At some point in the future, I'd really like to take some time out, indefinitely to ride around the world.

In short, my question is whether £1,000 a month is enough?

Obviously I realise the actual question is more complicated than that - taking into account factors such as where I go, where I stay in those places, what bike I ride, how many miles a month I cover etc.

I plan to ride a BMW 1200GS (2011/2012 bike) which supposedly does 40mpg

I want to see a lot of the world (who here doesn't!!), and I understand that if I'm in Africa camping, I'll spend less ££ than if I'm in 5* hotels in Europe. I don't plan to stay in luxurious accommodation, some nights camping, others in b&bs, motels, hostels etc. I would have thought on average, 200 miles a day, 3 days a week, so lets say 2.5k miles a month just riding about. So, about 60 gallons a month, or 250 litres a month. I estimate this to be £400 (worst case scenario) a month. This leaves me with £600 or £20 a day. To me, that doesn't sound like enough taking into account repairs, tyres, food etc.

However, I've seen people talk about travelling on £500 a month, but it seems too cheap to me!

I would plan on starting in Europe and seeing lots of that in the summer and then heading into the Southern Hemisphere, probably Africa around September, following the sun! So, if some savings are spent in first part of trip, not the end of the world.

I would always have a contingency budget of £2k to get me out of a bind, and £10k minimum of credit card space if relly needed.

Am I mental?!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 7 Oct 2012
Wheelie's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Oslo, Norway
Posts: 658
I'm betting we are going out of the recession, and that property prices will rise. As the UK, as Norway, has its own currency, and government borrowing is mostly in their own currency, they have been able to keep interest rates low. My bet is that the growth in the property market, rematal prices, and salaries, will be greater than the interest growth.

If I was to go on a trip, I would go for interest only and live a bit more comfortable now. If my bet is correct, then 5, 10, 20 years from now, the relative size of your loan compared to the rent you get, is ever smaller... even if you havent paid down on the loan wit a single pound.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 7 Oct 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheelie View Post
I'm betting we are going out of the recession, and that property prices will rise. As the UK, as Norway, has its own currency, and government borrowing is mostly in their own currency, they have been able to keep interest rates low. My bet is that the growth in the property market, rematal prices, and salaries, will be greater than the interest growth.

If I was to go on a trip, I would go for interest only and live a bit more comfortable now. If my bet is correct, then 5, 10, 20 years from now, the relative size of your loan compared to the rent you get, is ever smaller... even if you havent paid down on the loan wit a single pound.
That's all well and good, if you're right. If you're wrong however...

Also, interest rates can't be kept this artificially low forever and when they go up, people will default. People will lose their houses. House prices will drop. If I can afford it, I'd rather have more of the mortgage paid off. It's also only a £200 a month difference or so either way anyway. No big deal.

In the last 10 months, house has increased a fair chunk anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 7 Oct 2012
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bucks, UK
Posts: 642
Short and sweet, that's not enough!
Our trips (Asia and currenty South America average out at £70 per day for 2 people and 2 bikes (BMW 650's) that's everything included in that figure from the time you walk out the front door.

Cheers
Pete
__________________
Vietnam, Cambodia & Thailand 2016
Buenos Aires to NYC 2012-2013: www.facebook.com/curryhunt
India and back 2009-2010:
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 7 Oct 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgiggle View Post
Short and sweet, that's not enough!
Our trips (Asia and currenty South America average out at £70 per day for 2 people and 2 bikes (BMW 650's) that's everything included in that figure from the time you walk out the front door.

Cheers
Pete
Fair enough. So £2100 for 2 people, 2 bikes. I imagine its not halved for 1 person, 1 bike! £1500 a month?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 7 Oct 2012
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Bassett, Nebraska
Posts: 276
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMoose View Post
I would plan on starting in Europe and seeing lots of that in the summer and then heading into the Southern Hemisphere, probably Africa around September, following the sun! So, if some savings are spent in first part of trip, not the end of the world.

I would always have a contingency budget of £2k to get me out of a bind, and £10k minimum of credit card space if relly needed.

Am I mental?!
Of course you're mental! I like you already and we haven't even met.;-)

Everyone is different. The only way to find out if YOU can travel around the world on 1000 pounds a month is to give it a go and see for yourself. I know I could do it easily.

Worst case scenario you find out after a few months that the sacrifices necessary to travel on your alloted budget aren't to your liking and you head home or try plan B.

Best luck!
John Downs
__________________
South America and back on a 250 Super Sherpa Minimalist Adventure http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=831076
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 8 Oct 2012
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bucks, UK
Posts: 642
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMoose View Post
Fair enough. So £2100 for 2 people, 2 bikes. I imagine its not halved for 1 person, 1 bike! £1500 a month?
So 50% more than you have!
If you find somewhere cheap to sleep and stay there a long while, don't put any fuel in the bike, eat from supermarket out of date shelves you can do it for that but if that's the case why not throw the towel in and live on the streets all together!
__________________
Vietnam, Cambodia & Thailand 2016
Buenos Aires to NYC 2012-2013: www.facebook.com/curryhunt
India and back 2009-2010:
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 8 Oct 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 86
My personal experience:
petrol - about 20 euros a day when on the move, 5 when just riding around
accomodation - 0-20 euros a day
food - 0-10 euros a day with a few exceptions when I had a massive dinner in Italy and France
service - about 1000 euros for the 80k kilometres, so around 20-30 euros a day

All in 5-80 euros a day on a GS500, staying mostly in helpx places in Europe. Africa can be cheaper in some places but much more expensive in others. Visas and other documents cost a lot, too. I would assume that the beemer will have higher service costs, carnet de passage will cost a fortune and be a bit of an overkill if you only want to do 200 miles a day for 3 days a week.

If I were you, I would fly to some place South-Asia, rent or buy a small bike and live on that grand nicely.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 8 Oct 2012
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Staines, UK
Posts: 59
I think you could do it on £1k but you'll have a better chance if you go for a smaller bike, give up , and develop a taste for rice & lentils.

Like others have said, give it a go and if you eat too much into your safety net then switch tactics. Personally, if I were in your shoes (you lucky sod!) I'd use a bicycle instead. But that's just me.
__________________
More malformed, irrelevant opinions here.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 8 Oct 2012
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Wessex, UK
Posts: 2,136
I think your £1000 per month should be sufficient under certain constraints such as where in the world you head and relying on you living a fairly modest lifestyle particularly when in developed countries and spending less time in these countries and more in cheaper, probably Asian countries, even Africa can be surprisingly expensive.

The other thing will be living on less than your £33 a day that you have so you are saving up for those big expenses such as shipping, renewing travel insurance which can be £700-800 a year, servicing bike especially if there is a major repair or a pair of tyres especially if you are not capable of working on your own bike.

Using a GS 1200 rather than a 250- 500cc single could be the real fly in the ointment. The extra running cost will require you to make such serious savings in other areas such as choice of accommodation, you will have to camp a lot, no in the evening, entering places of interest, adventure sport and side trips will be unaffordable, this for me anyway would take the joy out of the trip. Aim for a bike which does 70 mpg, weighs 150kg or less and packs down to 1.5 cubic metres.

You have a great opportunity and good luck with it but I think you will have to change your choice of bike to make the trip last beyond your savings.

Last edited by mark manley; 8 Oct 2012 at 09:21. Reason: correction
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
China - May/June 2013. Sharing guide costs (Nepal to Kyrgyzstan) sanpedro Travellers Seeking Travellers 68 30 Mar 2016 18:38
travelling till Australia - Questions Challenge01 HU Travellers Meetings - Australia 4 21 Feb 2013 07:49
Stop your bike getting nicked when travelling? nicola_a Travellers' questions that don't fit anywhere else 16 8 Aug 2012 14:43
UK to Australia barebones costs luadraman Route Planning 10 11 Dec 2011 10:49
NYC to Brazil, need some help, also, costs involved? HaChayalBoded Route Planning 4 7 Nov 2011 20:28

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

HU Event and other updates on the HUBB Forum "Traveller's Advisories" thread.
ALL Dates subject to change.

2024:

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

HUBBUK: info

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 14:31.