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By the way, just to clarify I was referring to a photograph I took, with my camera, and a third party submitted without my approval or discussion - and was presumably paid for.

Thats naughty!

Not the same as the sketch which pictures something wholly different (no offence by way).

Quite happy to have a picture of me, us, or the bike published that was taken by a third party, such as appears else where in said book, in fact flattered.

That however is a whole different matter and not a legal breach of copyright.

I assume most people wouldn't submit someone else's photograph for publishing as their own, and that was the warning to the many of us that share our images after spending time together on the road.

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After 2 consequetive days of posts, Bob has been gone since Jan 07.
Well at least it was clear what he wanted.
I have been expecting a competitor to AMH and although I have not seen the Haynes yet, from what I hear it... has nice pix. The author even tried to poach some AMH contribs but the one I know of declined the offer of no fee.

It's not clear from here but did Haynes actually pay anyone to use their pictures?
I heard he did not have much success here and so did an FoC deal with BMW and TTech (so said Nick P to me) plus whatever words and pix he could get off others for free. Good luck to him; he gets quality pix but a bit of a brochure look that many readers will see through. But to do a book in full colour is expensive and I suspect the author just got a one-off fee from H, not royalties (% of cover price sales) so has no long term stake in the title.

FWIW, I have never had much success simply asking online for pix either and for me covers are always a compromise (I mean 'Chris Bright on an Enfield', really... ;-D). I do the work and trawl the many great AM travel websites looking for killer shots and yarns. There are plenty out there.

My fees seem embarrassingly low to me but I know that Rough Guides for example pay about the same for pix.
I think last time round I offered $/€50 or equivalent per half page of colour (so double that for a full page, 4 x for a spread); £200-ish for the cover (for which CB was commissioned as he was in the right place at the right time on the right bike and a good camera).
For the many monos in my book I dont pay as I dont want to be held back using monos by cost. So I do most of them myself. Monos are generally technical anyway plus any significant fee offered would be a joke to the 'tog but add up a lot to me on top of the colours and yarns. It comes out of my pocket (not the publisher) and maybe it was the same with the Haynes bloke so he did the BMW TT deal.
I thought about doing an AMH dvd with TT's backing and Nick in UK was potentially up for it. But in the end I thought I may end up dressed in flash BM gear on a flash TT-festooned bike - it aint me and anyway, we've seen that already on telly...

By the way, just to clarify I was referring to a photograph I took, with my camera, and a third party submitted without my approval or discussion - and was presumably paid for.

Yep, I know that feeling. I take pix of each rider on all my desert tours as its hard to get a good shot of yourself looking cool - and hand them all out after. Many riders do the same back and on their websites of course I dont mind.
But I was a bit miffed when matey from 2007 wrote a yarn on the tour for TB Mag recently and used mostly my shots without a credit or even a "do you mind if..." It's not about the money; it's just bad form (tbf, could have been the mag's laziness, not his).

Anyway, may as well ask while I'm here....
Doing a bigger and better AMH6 for 2009 - I'll track them down anyway but your killer pix and yarns wanted! £250 in gold for the cover!

Everyone - paid or not - gets a © credit and a copy of AM6 if they want. All text contribs are listed on the title page and have the opp to do a biog in the back too.

afn

Ch

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Someone bought me a copy of Adventure Motorcycling for Christmas. Lovely book, even if it is, as some have already pointed out, a bit like a BMW/Touratech catalogue, with everyone looking neat and tidy in their pristine BMW/KTM outfits on their(?) pristine BMW/KTMs. A bit sanitised then, but nice nevertheless.

I have to say, I am finding on the HUBB something that I don't find on ADVrider: A lot of people getting rather snide about the increasing popularity of our passion. Frankly, their utterings are reminiscent of the spotty sixteen-year-old who always claimed to have liked the band before they became famous. He invariably followed this remark with "They're not as good as they used to be".

The publishing of the all-colour Adventure Motorcycling is a natural reflection of the growing awareness of and interest in our shared passion. Some of that will be down to the much-derided (why?) Ewen & Charlie. So what?

What's wrong boys? Don't you feel special any more?

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I don't think anyone genuinely has deep hatred for E&C and the whole "all the gear no idea" scene but I do think that most of the people on this site are generally more nitty gritty, down to earth and free thinking people who just happen to use motorcycles as their transport. From the people I know from the HUBB, we are mostly working class people with dreams that we only achieve with hard graft, lots of saving and all the pain and woes that go along with that.

I think many of us make huge sacrifices to travel, so yes, the guy with the £20,000 bike & gear combo who pooters off to Wales for the weekend and calls himself an "adventure biker" spouting "I'd do a longer/harder trip if it wasn't for this n that blaah blaah" does raise a few cheeky grins and groans here and I dont think there's anything really wrong with that.. It's all tongue in cheek and no stockbrokers on 1200GS's have been unwelcome at any meetings as far as I know.

I guess we're a close knit community of odd balls who like our little niche of "not quite fitting in" and don't want it diluted and catagorised by all the bollocks that goes along with commercialising it.

Also, the one thing I have noticed is that everything to do with adventure biking seems to have rocketed in price since the whole E&C bandwagon thing. Eg. Aluminium luggage is incredibly expensive now compared to 4-5 years ago.

Just my opinion... I'm sure there are many others.

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Chris,

You could contact TBM, point this out and ask for payment. Pretty sure it is them who have breeched your copyright having not ensured who owns the c for the pix. In theory you could ask for whatever you thought would be cheaper for them than fighting you in court. If you can be bothered of course!

Matt

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*Disclaimer* - I am not saying my bike is better than your bike. I am not saying my way is better than your way. I am not mocking your religion/politics/other belief system. When reading my post imagine me sitting behind a frothing pint of ale, smiling and offering you a bag of peanuts. This is the sentiment in which my post is made. Please accept it as such!

I loved your book Chris.. And particularly like the yarns in the back

Your free to use any of my pics and crash/robbery/loss tales... Gratis !!

Por ejemplo.....

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