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Old 29 Feb 2008
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With ref to the question of people getting paid for their pictures, Chris Scott does pay for his colour pics. Did the Haynes man pay or did he rely on people getting a warm moist sensation from seeing themselves in print?
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Why is there a difference between B/W and color pics?

Personally I think that pictures should be paid for and the photographer should always be credited.
There are also laws about this subject.
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sorrythe question was meant for bob.

After 2 consequetive days of posts, Bob has been gone since Jan 07.
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Lazy journalism

Sounds a bit like this chap on 4wd section http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...dcruiser-33439

Just trying to get you to do the work for them. That's the beauty of the Hubb people take and people give, not just ask a and make a quick buck.

The advice Chris and the others give here is invaluable - i'd much rather suport them than some multinational like Haynes or google.
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Hi everyone

Here's an opportunity to be part of something special - I am writing a manual on adventure motorcycling in conjunction with Haynes Publishing which will be launced in early 2008. "Adventure Motorcycling - A Beginner's Guide" is expected to be a leading title for Haynes and will receive considerable promotional and marketing support.
Can it really be adventure motorcycling if one has to use a manual to figure out how to go about it?

Plus who are you and why does Haynes care? If you guys are out to make a contribution to the AM community please provide details, but this sniffs like somebody is out to make money off our hard earned lessons...if so, no thanks...I prefer to share my experiences with others who do the same, and that is the beauty of the HUBB.
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The advice Chris and the others give here is invaluable - i'd much rather suport them than some multinational like Haynes or google.
Well put. I wonder if I'd ever have gone on my big trip if I hadn't found a copy of 'Desert Biking' purely by accident amongst the 'Lovely Planets' in my local Waterstons.

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"Refitting is the reverse of removal" - how many times has Haynes lied to me with that simple sentence? I hope their new manual is more truthful. That said Just the title makes me curious and well worth a flick through at the book store. It is easy to be dismissive about this sort of venture and there is an air of disdain here about the commercialization of bike travel through LWD and LWR.

What we love is getting popular - there seems to be a storm of interest in this kind of activity these days. Perhaps some of us on the HUBB want to get together to do a "1000 places to visit on your bike before you die" type of book. Then as bike travel gains in popularity we can be more specific and we can do "1001 places to visit on your GS1150 before you die". Anyone in on it?

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Got my hands on a press copy last week - I must say it's beautifully put together - Chris's book is the default, full of insanely brilliant information that you'd never think of.

The Haynes book is stunning, the visual shots all do look as if they've come out of KTM and BMW press sets, but the information it contains is really very good - it's a well done introduction to Adventure Biking - in fact I'd go as far as to say if you've not even really thought about it before, get the Haynes have a read and get inspired, then when you actually get into planning your trip get the proper book from Chris S.

I'll be writing a full review in the next few days for a few sites but I'll post it up on this thread too.

Oh incidentally Haynes pay standard NUJ rates for shots used in their books.

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Matt, I eagerly await the 4 hour video of you reading the book!

I hope it includes a section on drinking "wodka" in Russia, a skill we all need to learn!
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The Book of Lies!

As this is the name used by everyone I know when referring to a Haynes manual I would be a bit concerned about relying on it for anything serious, but then again replacing your brakes is potentially serious....

The AMH is a great read, but perhaps under marketed as I didn't get a copy until it was too late. No doubt if Haynes did a manual it would inspire more people as it would probably get mentioned in all their standard titles, along with being stocked in Halfords! Lets just hope they get some other input - does the book tell people about HU, the font of all knowledge?
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Matt, I eagerly await the 4 hour video of you reading the book!

I hope it includes a section on drinking "wodka" in Russia, a skill we all need to learn!
Trust you! It won't be four hours though.... maybe three and a half....

Horizons is indeed mentioned in the new book - in fact Grant has a half page to himself to talk about HU and his trip on page 34. On page 33 they suggest HU as a good place to start on the net to start researching your trip.

I'm still not passing judgement yet, haven't really got into it properly.

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Are they still looking for contributors? I was a beginner myself not so long ago and have some interesting-ish pics of me and the Elefant in central asia if they want them
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Are they still looking for contributors? I was a beginner myself not so long ago and have some interesting-ish pics of me and the Elefant in central asia if they want them
Hi Henry - I don't think so the book has now been published.. .I'm sure Mr Wicks will post up on the forum again if there's a revision.

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Had a flick though it in Halfords yesterday while buying some Carlos Fandango Super-Wide wheels for my Corsa

It's a pretty looking book. Lots of pics of shiny new bikes parked in front of scenic bits. Even got a pic of the new Tenere with (i think) Ait-Benhaddou in the background. All the pics are credited; mostly BMW / Touratech.

No information you can't get in more depth from other sources though.
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It's not clear from here but did Haynes actually pay anyone to use their pictures?

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Take this as a warning, not as any misappropriation by the publisher, but by abuse by fellow travellers.

It is fairly standard practice when you have shared time together on the road to copy and share photographs – in the digital age you may wish to consider that carefully.

You may find your copyright images appearing on other peoples web sites without your approval, you may find them in their published books, but worse, you may find them in a professionally produced book without your knowledge, approval, and naturally without you being paid for your photograph.

This has happened to us previously, and once again in this book.

That is not only illegal, it’s not at all within the travel ‘ethos’ I and most of you subscribe to.

This is no reflection on the book, from my very brief perusal since purchase today it is worth buying for the images alone. There are a few folk from on here in there, and there are references to all our old favourite mines of information. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with contributing images or words to anything of this sort – no need for snobbery inverted or not. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

But be warned - when you share those images of your travels with your new best friends they might not offer you the same courtesy you would offer to them in return!

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