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Old 17 Feb 2008
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Just the facts, nothing but the facts - traffic

ref: Buenos Aires Herald (English Daily) February 17, 2008

World news headlines have placed Argentina as one of the most deadly countries for traffic fatalities. There were 20 or more traffic related deaths a day throughout Argentina, for 2007.

La Presidnta "Cristina" just unleased 600 new traffic police in Buenos Aires (Capital Federal) to combat a part of this problem. Buenos Aires (city) 234 traffic deaths for 2007, Buenos Aires (province) 3,134 traffic deaths for 2007.

Nearby Chcabuco district reported yesterday that during the last month and a half it reduced road crashes by 80% and seized 350 motorcycles for "documentation irregularities."

1/3 of deaths take place on weekends and holidays 12 % higher than on weekdays.

13% of the traffic deaths nationwide are motorcycle related.

Men account for 73% of the deaths and women 27%. No statistics available for visitors (tourists) from outer space.

58% of crashes occured in urban areas and 42% in rural area.

So, Eat, Drink and be Careful It might be a good idea to keep your documents in order and buy legally required insurance. xfiltrate
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That is pretty mad stuff. Funnily, I did not feel particularly at risk in BA. I mean the traffic was bad, and you had to keep your head in gear, but there are other places that I would have though were just as bad, or at least seemed to be...

Traffic in Paris is pretty abysmal, Naples was a mad house (never rode there on a bike, thankfully), and frankly Tallinn is not brilliant either although there is not the same sheer volume of cars on the road, thankfully...
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20 a day, 7300 deaths per year is high I am sure India and China and a few others would come out a lot higher. I bet you could add a zero for india

A few years back France was running at about 8000 a year.

It must be based on deaths per head of population, but I still don't believe it the be the most deadly.

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Originally Posted by SteveAttwood View Post
I am sure India and China and a few others would come out a lot higher.
I saw a report on Sky ‘News’ recently about the situation in Russia. Relative to the number of cars, it has the most dangerous roads in the world. 100 people a day die which equates to 312,000 in the last 10 years - more than the country's total death toll in Chechnya and Afghanistan. Read the link to see the average life expectancy of a Russian male nowadays.
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It must be based on deaths per head of population, but I still don't believe it the be the most deadly.

Yes, it will depend on how the statistics are presented; it could be done as deaths per mile/km of road and it would look very different again.

A quick fix for Argentina: take all of the men drivers off the road and road traffic accidents are down by 73% immediately. Alternatively, ban the women from driving and you save 27% of Govn statistics (and statisticians who won't be able to get to work?).
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South Korea is still #1, trailed by Thailand, then Turkey,then China, then India, but China is rapidly gound and by 2012 expects to be #1. We have 43 deaths a day on a normal day but during Chuseok and Sol Nal, it easily doubles. One wreck down south of Daegu had 119 vehicles including 4 buses and two petro trucks, 38 dead 361 injured enough to go to the hospital. Red lights are a signal to go faster before the green light traffic has a chance to move. Rearview mirrors are only shining the lights back or putting on make up. Eleven pedestrians are killed everyday in Seoul, five on crosswalks or even sidewalks. When the traffic is jammed, cars will take to the sidewalks and scooters and delivery motorcycles ride the sidwalks all the time. Naw, Argentina is safe place to drive.
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Dont know about statistics

but of the countries mentioned in previous post, we've now travelled in Turkey, India and Thailand.

And of these, India was just TOTALLY in a class of its own, regarding traffic!! It is sheer, absolute chaos all over, I am astonished if Turkey or Thailand are really ahead of India in road deaths. One explanation could be that India is so jammed - with trucks going 50-60kms per hour filling the roads - that you simply wont have room to go very fast, and so their accident will be less deadly.

It was still about a hundred times more relaxing to ride in Turkey, or in Thailand, than it was in India. To me, its got the worst traffic that I've ever seen anywhere, and by a considerably large margin, too! Indonesia and Pakistan are also bad, but still they dont even get close.
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