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We crossed into Senegal a week ago from Mauritania (Diama Bridge) and Senegal are now not accepting Carnets at all.
We had to buy a local carnet for 2,500 CFA which lasts 10 days and then you can get it renewed at a customs place - for free (yeah right!) - and add another 15 days. Everyone else I have spoken to who has crossed the border in the last week have had to do the same. We're off to the customs tomorrow to try to renew so will post again if I have any more news. The customs guy said that he thought it was a temporary situation. Kate |
Libya
Great idea for a sticky but Libya only accepts its own version issued at the border - all in Arabic (your guide/tour agent usually organises it in advance for you). I'm doubt the Customs there would even look at a typical FIA CdP.
IME it's common for the motoring organisations who issue FIA carnets to make the list of countries longer than it actually is. Was that the origin of the original list? The following discussion is very useful. As always the best advice comes from Hubbers on the road! Ch |
Ok, so we keep an eye on developments in Senegal and Libya is a no. Thanks for all your contributions, keep them coming.
The 'original' list was a page on Wikipedia, but I suspect that that in turn is based on the ADAC page, as that is considered published. Anybody can publish anything on the net, that's what we are doing here. Cheers, Peter. |
Update on Senegal Carnet situation:
We went into the office at Place de l'Indépendence in Dakar and renewed our temporary carnet a few days ago. To find the office go to the Royal Air Maroc office and look to the right as you face RAM – go into what looks like an office building set slightly back from the other buildings, take the lift to the 5th floor and walk down to the 4th (I kid you not!!) and you will find the customs office through the first door – ask someone to show you as it’s not easy to find, we showed someone the paperwork and they took us straight there. We were NOT charged for this renewal but were told to come back at 4pm to collect it having arrived at 10am! We said that we were needing to leave very soon and were very polite and smiley... he then completed the procedure in less than 5 minutes! We had to show him our carte gris, vehicle insurance, passport and driving licence (IDP) for the owner of the vehicle and the original temporary carnet. Despite being told at the border at Diama that we could renew at “any customs office in Senegal... there is one in nearly every town" we asked again in Dakar and the response was that the only places to renew the temporary carnet were at Dakar, Kaolack, Tambacounda and Zinuinchor The renewal now lasts for a whopping 15 days! When we’ll need to complete the procedure over again! BTW: If you renew this earlier than the last day, you will lose any outstanding days ie: renew on day 6 of a 10 day carnet and you lose 4 days. I have received an email from Paul Gowen at the RAC and he says “Have been in contact with AIT Customs Secretariat in Geneva & they had feedback from French/German clubs with exactly same comments. Embassies in London/Paris were still saying cpd accepted !!” Kate |
Information from the TCS (Touring Club Switzerland)
Hello All,
Regarding the Carnet de Passage, you might be interested in the information provided by the Touring Club of Switzerland. The dedicated page from the TCS: http://www.reisen-tcs.ch/travel/fr/h...dokumente.html "The TCS can issue such a document for persons who are not residing in Switzerland if there is no possibility to obtain a Carnet de passages in their residing country", statement found in this Application Form (in English) http://www.reisen-tcs.ch/etc/mediali...demande_en.pdf As for cost, if you apply for a CDP with the TCS (in French) : Le CPD est remis contre une garantie sous forme d’un versement en espèces (caution) ou d’un cautionnement solidaire (formulaire TCS uniquement) auprès d’une banque suisse. Le montant de la caution est le suivant: Valeur du véhicule Caution • jusqu’à CHF 9’999.- : CHF 3’000.- • dès CHF 10’000.- : 50% de la valeur • Exceptions: La caution doit représenter 100% de la valeur actuelle du véhicule pour les pays suivants (montant minimum CHF 3’000.-): Egypte, Inde, Jordanie, Kenya, Pakistan, Turquie. Cela concerne également les véhicules immatriculés en plaques suisses temporaires et les véhicules destinés à être immatriculés en Suisse. They also provide a map showing the countries where it is mandatory and where it is recommended, which I have made available here: http://images.imagehotel.net/nuhz42rz2y_tn.png This map come from a PDF file provided by the TCS, which is available here: http://www.reisen-tcs.ch/etc/mediali..._CPD_carte.pdf Off course, some statements from the TCS may be outdated or wrong. That's where you guys and girls jump in with your first-hand experience. :thumbup1: |
Hello, Very interesting to read that Egypt has it's own carnet available at the borders.
Costing 2000 Euros, and refundable upon exit. I have a Land Cruiser valued at £10k I would therfore need an insurance policy to cover a carnet of £80k So if one is traveling through Africa to the Cape, could one leave off Egypt from the UK carnet, as it is 800%, and simply leave a deposit of 2000 Euros instead? On of the big issues with travell through Africa, is the 800% carnet for Egypt. If this can be avoided buy leaving a deposit, then this could be an excellent idea. Comments please Graham |
that there map aint right
heres my two peneth.
a lot of south america is shown as obligatory for a carnet on that pdf map. this is tosh as we never were asked, or needed it for the whole of the americas. it makes wonder if the carnet providers just feed us what they want us to hear to drum up business for themselves. or am i too cynical? anyway while im here talking carnets, i want to go have a little adventure riding to timbuctu early 2009.i need to escape the british winter!! i though i could do it without a carnet without undue hassle. would someone tell me that this is correct or not if you have been that way recently. cheers and have a good xmas wherever you are oz |
Have not done it myself lately but no CdP needed to get to Tim. Both Mori and Mali give there own versions. Visas have eased up too. More info below
Ch Sahara Overland ~ Country Information |
The 'List of Carnet countries..' page needs to be updated re Australia - as the page linked to under the Oz heading in it correctly explains, a Carnet IS required, not optional.
Cheers Clint |
Ok, thanks for the pointer. I tried to read the relevant pages, but they have changed and are no longer as clear as they have been. It does seem as you now NEED a carnet.
Page updated. |
The Stans??
Hello
Any idea about a carnet for the 'Stans, Russia and Mongolia? Some say you need one, some say you don't (of course!!) Anyone got any recent info about border fun? We'll be heading off to Japan overland (well, ish, you know what I mean!) on a lovely old AT (worth about £1000, but to us, it's our baby!!) Cheers! ImiBee |
Aus
Another hint for Oz: you may not leave OZ without your vehicle.
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The countries in red is based on the governments of countries that have signed up to the CDP agreements. Check the list on the CDP. If the locals on "the ground" choose not to implement it, that's all well and good:clap: John |
Of course: if a country hasn't signed the agreement then they can't issue carnets. Let's remember that the purpose of the carnet is to avoid having to deposit $$$$ at a border. You deposit it with your AA instead and you have a better chance to get it back! :smartass:
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