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Wanted : Travel bike in Argentina/Chile Dec'09

I will be in Argentina/Chile this coming Dec/Jan and I'm looking for a travel bike. Preferably a KLR (thats what I am familiar with now), but will consider any on/off road bike ready for travel.
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I will be in Argentina/Chile this coming Dec/Jan and I'm looking for a travel bike. Preferably a KLR (thats what I am familiar with now), but will consider any on/off road bike ready for travel.
Heya FlashG

I am in Vancouver, looking to be in SA around end of dec 09.. santiago on jan 2 to 5, BA on Jan 17 then travelling north for 6 weeks.

I am Canadian too, VAncouver, and am looking to get setup with a bike. I would consider buying the right one or renting...

I just thought we should keep in touch, try to help each other out.

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guys, Talk to Ed Xfiltrate ( HUBB handle xfiltrate, ) he is bound to be able to point you in the right direction, tell him 5 EYes sent you
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Buying new or used in Argentina

FlashG and RSteeper, the following information might be helpful if you want to buy a new or used Argentine registered motorcycle in Argentina.

The following pertains to buying new or used bikes legally registered in Argentina with an Argentine license plate.

Please note, the following is not relevant for motorcycle sales, from one foreign tourist to another foreign tourist, if the bike is registered in a foreign country (USA, EU, Britain, any other South or Central American country.)

Yes as a "foreign tourist" you can legally buy and register a new or used motorcycle that is already registered in Argentina, or if you buy new, will be registered in Argentina in your name.

Elisa and I have purchased 3 new motorcycles in Argentina, the first two we puchased while we were foreign tourists visiting Argentina, and the last one after we secured our Argentine permanent foreign residence status. (DNI)

And, Yes, you can legally sell your Argentine registered motorcycle in Argentina. Selling in any other country would be a long expensive process and generally not worth the effort.

Buying new is easier and less risky than buying used. To buy a new or used motorcycle in Argentina as a foreign tourist.

Here is an overview of what you will need to do:

Secure a "domocillio" certificate issued by LOCAL Argentine police, you must go to the police station assigned to protect your neighborhood, (your hotel etc) in Argentina.

1. The domocillio costs about 10 pesos ($3 US) and is obtained by providing the police your ID (passport) or DNI and address. The next day, a police officer will hand deliver the stamped document to your residence, where you are staying in Argentina, pension, with a friend etc.

2. Take your passport. and domocillio to your assigned AFIP office, you will have to find out which office pertains to your residence address, and get a CDI which is a tax number for foreigners , not working in Argentina. This will take about 2 hours, faster if you go early. Cost approximately 10 argentine peso.

3. Investigate auto insurance, so after you purchase and your "Gestor" (one who transfers vehicle titles as a business) does the paperwork you can give the Vehicle ID and plate # to the insurance agency and you will be immediate covered, so you can drive your bike home. DO NOT RIDE WITHOUT INSURANCE!

A foreign tourist can purchase a new or used motorcycle registered in Argentina, Chile and other South American countries, but legally and officially a foreign tourist cannot export, (cross the border) of Argentina with his/her Argentine registered bike. I am currently working to have the law that restricts the travel of a foreign tourist riding his/her Argentine registered motorcycle reviewed and changed. You can help. Please see the last posts on my thread:

Buy new or used in Argentina and legally tour all of South America ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page) located and with a sticky, this regional forum.

As you will learn there is a way a foreign tourist can cross out of Argentina with his/her Argentine registered motorcycle, and that is to co-own the motorcycle with an Argentine or a permanent foreign resident of Argentina who has a DNI (National Identification Document) and lives in Argentina).

The Argentine or permanent foreign resident will have to accompany you to the border of Argentina, and "perhaps" secure a temporary export permit.

If you are buying used here are the documents the seller must provide:

It is wise to employ a GESTOR (one who transfers vehicle titles as a business) to assist you. Reputable GESTORS are available in Buenos Aires. They are well worth the money, and can speed the process of transferring the title to your name. if you buy new, the dealer will provide the GESTOR, the costs will be included in the final price of the new or used bike you purchase from a dealer.

Here is the list of documents needed from the owner of a used motorcycle.

1. Título de propiedad original: (Title)

2. Cédula verde original: (Green card, registration)

3. Formulario 08 o Contrato de Transferencia, firmado por el vendedor y, si es que el titular figura como casado en el titulo, entonces tambien por el cónyuge. Esta/s firmas certificadas por el Registro de Motovehiculos (aquel donde esta el legajo de la moto) o escribano publico: (No traslation for this but owner will know...it is a form to be signed.)

4. Verificacion Policial: ( Police check up for possible theft charges)

5. Informe de Dominio: (To check that the seller can legally sell the bike )

6. Estado de Deuda de Patentes, o libre deuda de Patentes: (Taxes up to date)

8. Libre deuda de Infracciones del Tránsito: ( No tickets or stolen vehicle reports)


Do not leave a deposit "reserva" for the used bike unless you have a physical copy of each of these documents in hand , or are absolutely convinced missing documents are available and will be provided.

You can have the owner sign an agreement to legally sell the bike to you within the next week or return your deposit. The deposit should be no more than $20.00 US dollars.

As I have indicated on other threads, a foreign tourist can legally buy and sell a new or used moto or auto in Argentina, but can be very risky.

We are doing our best to eliminate any risk involved.

The goal here is to mark the path for those foreign tourists who want to fly to Buenos Aires, buy a new or used moto or auto, register it legally, buy appropriate insurance, tour other South America countries and then return to Argentina to sell or store the moto or auto. And, to do this as legally and as economically as possible.

We are testing the system today and tomorrow. Please post questions, comments and personal experiences on this thread.

There is an excellent description of buying a used motorcycle in Chile posted by lachy and found in this regional forum under:

"Steps to Buying a Used Bike in Santiago Chile"

A very similar post regarding buying used in Chile is found on my thread and and posted originally by jolaglabek.

I have noted that recently many posts regarding foreign tourists purchasing motorcycles regestered in Chile have appeared. These are well worth reading.

I will leave it to others to respond to you regarding buying motorcycles in other South American countries.

Hope this helps and might I use your screen name to help convince Argentine legislature to change the law restricting the travel of foreign tourists on their Argentine registered motorcycles?

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Wow he sure does ;-)

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didnt I tell you guys , that Xfiltrate sure knows his stuff
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As per the law being changed in Argentina to accommodate for this, don't hold your breath.
Just buy in a more straightforward country like Uruguay and forget about dealing with Argentinian red tape which almost invariably puts you between a rock and a hard place where a bribe seems like a great way out.
BTW, do not bribe when in Latin America - you are only helping the rot continue forever. It ain't fun, not even an anecdote to tell your children or grandsons. It is illegal. In your country you will get arrested and make the headlines if you bribe
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