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Wanted: klr 650 or similar in B.A.

Looking for a KLR 650 or similar in B.A. from end of november onwards. I am around in BA in october but since I am still nursing a fractured wrist I won't be able to ride until later.

Let me know if your selling your bike around the above times. looking for something that can cope 2 up.

My understanding is that a foreign registered bike cannot get documentation for more than 8 months in argentina, if someone knows more than this let me know as I am not planning to leave the country while I am there.

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I may have a DL-1000 V-Strom in B.A. for sale around the middle to end of Feb. 2010. mikechill1234@yahoo.com
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Dr650

Hi,

I have a 2008 DR650. I have ridden two up with it and I have seen people on smaller bikes so I guess it would cope.

I am still trying to figure out my plans but I guess I want to sell it Dec/Jan depending where I need to go back to the UK for a few weeks.

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mine is for sale in Santgo de Chile from now

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...650-sale-45291

on my way back via argentina from Bolivia / Peru

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Buyers and Sellers, and Tileman, if the "documentation" you are referring to is the Argentine Temporary Vehicle Import Permit issued to the foreign tourist "owners" of all foreign registered motorcycles entering Argentina you are correct, these permits are issued for a maximum of 8 months.

The titled "owner" of the foreign registered motorcycle is permitted to exit the bike from Argentina, re-enter and request an additional 8 months Temporary Vehicle Import Permit at the border.

On the other hand, as a foreign tourist, you are permitted to purchase and register in your name a new (from an authorized dealer) or (from registered dealers and/or individuals) used Argentine registered motorcycle.

A foreign tourist is permitted to purchase and register and leave his/her Argentine registered vehicle or motorcycle in Argentina forever, without any special permit. The foreign tourist "owner" is of course permitted to leave Argentina without the vehicle or motorcycle.

As you will discover by reading my thread:

Buy new or used in Argentina and legally tour all of South America ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page)

in South and Central America and Mexico region on the HUBB,

A foreign tourist is generally not permitted to exit his/her Argentine registered motorcycle from Argentina. There are some rare exceptions and some borders are more attentive to this regulation than others.

Please post, on the above described thread, your intention to purchase a motorcyle in Argentina as I am attempting to provide information to the legisture here in Buenos Aires that might lead to changes in the restrictive regulations affecting foreign tourist owners of Argentine registered motorcycles. And, I am trying to have extended from 8 months to one year the time a foreign tourist can leave his/her foreign registered motorcycle in Argentina.

Much has been written on the Hubb regarding the possibilities and downside of a foreign tourist purchasing a foreign registered motorcycle (USA. EU, British etc) from another foreign tourist in Argentina and Chile. You might find some of the information important when making your decisions.

I am a member of the HUBB Buenos Aires Community.

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My understanding is that a foreign registered bike cannot get documentation for more than 8 months in argentina, if someone knows more than this let me know as I am not planning to leave the country while I am there.

cheers matt
you will get a permit equal to your visa. If your visa is 3 months your bike permit will be 3 months as the bike cannot remain in the country without you.
Makes sense, it is the way it is and it happens to me every time I go there.
There is an extension, it is complicated. Have not tried it in ages, I just go for a wonder every three months.

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you will get a permit equal to your visa. If your visa is 3 months your bike permit will be 3 months as the bike cannot remain in the country without you.
Makes sense, it is the way it is and it happens to me every time I go there.
There is an extension, it is complicated. Have not tried it in ages, I just go for a wonder every three months.

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Isn’t like that or at least in the Airport they give you the same amount of time left on your visa, the custom regulation says that they are able to give you from this 3 months up to a maximum of 8 (eight) months, usually at the port or frontiers.
Different case is if you are Argentinean who lives outside the country and are trying to bring in a vehicle as a tourist, they give you just 3 months and in some cases I heard about just 2 moths…
The extension isn’t complicate if you are a foreigner tourist, but you need first to extend the visa, usually is easier just cross to a nearest neighbour country. Completely different matter if you are Argentina born...
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Just to clarify this to willing visitors and without any interest of sparking a debate:

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Isn’t like that or at least in the Airport they give you the same amount of time left on your visa
This is exactly what I said with different words.

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the custom regulation says that they are able to give you from this 3 months up to a maximum of 8 (eight) months, usually at the port or frontiers.
The customs regulation does not have provision for your vehicle to remain in the country without you.

You will get a vehicle permit equal to the amount of time you are allowed to stay as a tourist, as stipulated in your visa length and the date of your entry. If you don't then the person processing your entry has done a mistake.

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Different case is if you are Argentinean who lives outside the country and are trying to bring in a vehicle as a tourist, they give you just 3 months
This information is not totally correct.
If you are an Argentinian residing overseas you are entitled to come and visit with your vehicle and you will get a 3 month permit. You can renew this permit fup to 90 days.

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and in some cases I heard about just 2 moths…
What you heard is just hearsay, not facts. If the processing officer gives you two months then he has taken the law into his hands, nothing unheard of in Argentina.

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The extension isn’t complicate if you are a foreigner tourist, but you need first to extend the visa, usually is easier just cross to a nearest neighbour country. Completely different matter if you are Argentina born...
This is correct. Your vehicle temporary importation permit is surrogated to the length of your tourist visa and not the other way round.
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To clarify,

If entering Argentina via a land border crossing with a foreign registered motorcycle (as a foreigner) you will usually receive 8 months for the moto. We have heard this may vary slightly but on the half dozen occasions we crossed into the country from a neighboring country (Paraguay, Chile, Bolivia and Uruguay) we always received 8 months (never more, never less). And this is regardless of the length of the visa which, for us at least, was always 3 months.

BUT, when we entered Argentina from Uruguay by boat we were given 3 months for the motorcycle. Probably because we forgot to ask for the full 8 months.
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Temporary Vehicle Import Permits for Argentina

XTrovert, this message is in the interest of providing accurate information to fellow travelers....

I am in the business of parking foreign registered motorcycles and Argentine registered motorcycles for Foreign Tourists in Buenos Aires. I have surveyed the regulations, researched the law pertaining to the regulations and interviewed officials regarding Argentine TEMPORARY VEHICLE IMPORT PERMIT law.

I have been very careful, as is javkap, to post the facts, not from personal experience, but as stated in Argentine law.

I am in total agreement with javkap's post and anything you (XTrovert) have stated that contradicts javkap regarding Argentine Temporary Vehicle Import Permits for Foreign Tourists is incorrect.

Please provide documentation if you believe your position on Temporary Vehicle Import Permits is correct and javkap and I (xfiltrate) are wrong.

Javkap, as usual, you are absolutely correct regarding Temporary Vehicle Import Permits for foreign Tourists. I feel obligated to back you up. Please understand my need to help clarify the issue.

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Here is for discerning HUBB readers to draw their own conclusions:

I refer to the Temporary Tourist Vehicle Import Permit resolution
308/84, which is current, as per a search performed today at AFIP online library. AFIP is the Argentine tax and customs office.

Point 1.2 describe your motorcycle as accompanied luggage. Accompanied means that it keeps you company, goes with you.

Point 1.3 says that your vehicle will be allowed to stay the amount of time you are allowed to stay as it is written in your visa, and it can be extended if your visa is.

Point 1.12 reinforces this and explains how the procedure works.

It transpires from this that if your vehicle can only stay the amount of time you are allowed to stay as a tourist, your vehicle cannot stay when you are not here as a tourist.

If customs finds out that you have left your vehicle behind they will confiscate it (308/84 1.11; customs code art 970 & 1085), To recover it you will have to pay a fine no less than 30% of the customs arbitrary valuation of the vehicle (law 22415 art 970). Long story short you will loose your bike.

Ask when entering the country with your vehicle if you can leave it here and come back later, and you will receive a stern warning not to do that. You may even be refused entry, so be careful.
In fact there isn't anyone checking if you leave your vehicle here and go overseas and your passport does not get a special stamp like in Panama or Honduras, but this does not mean the practice is allowed or legal.

You are advised to be in possession of a written copy of the alleged legislation that says that you can leave your vehicle here and come back later. - ask for a copy to those people who maintain it does exist.
Please also be advised that a defense that someone told you leaving a vehicle was ok after he/she [sic] "surveyed the regulations, researched the law pertaining to the regulations and interviewed officials" will stand no chance in a court of law.

It may be also the case that storing (as in parking) for profit a foreigner's vehicle on a temporary entry permit while he/she is not in the country falls under Article 971 of law 22415.

SO DEAR VISITORS FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW
DO NOT RISK LOOSING YOUR VEHICLE BECAUSE OF ILL ADVISE GIVEN BY PEOPLE WITH COMMERCIAL INTERESTS.

Clarifications:

Yes you can stay up to 8 months if your visa or your extended visa allows you to stay for 8 months (point 1.3) but it is incorrect administration of the law if you get 8 months vehicle permit straight away unless you have a visa for 8 months of continuous permanence into the country.

An Argentinian residing overseas can stay up to 90 days, not extendable, provided he/she satisfies some requirements (Point 1.3)

Substantiation follows

ANEXO III RESOLUCION N° 308/84
ANEXO III

1. ADMISION TEMPORARIA DE VEHICULOS DE TURISTAS, EXCLUIDA LA REPUBLICA ORIENTAL DEL URUGUAY

1.1. Los turistas que deseen ingresar con su automotor desde el exterior deben reunir las siguientes condiciones:
Ser extranjeros con residencia permanente en el exterior, o ciudadanos argentinos con más de un (1) año de radicación en el extranjero. Estos últimos, deberán probar la residencia con la indicación respectiva del domicilio en la libreta de enrolamiento, libreta cívica o documento nacional de identidad y con un certificado en original extendido por el Consulado Argentino del lugar de residencia.

1.2.El presente régimen contempla además, la admisión temporal juntamente con el automotor, en calidad de equipaje acompañado, de los turistas que los portan, de los siguientes elementos:
Acoplado;
Motocicleta, motoneta y motobicicleta;
Casa rodante;
Lancha con o sin motor fuera de borda y bote;
Máquina fotográfica, filmadora;
Televisor y heladera para auto.

1.3. El plazo a otorgar para la permanencia de los elementos mencionados en los puntos 1.1. y 1.2. será acorde con el autorizado al turista extranjero por la Dirección Nacional de Migraciones no pudiendo exceder de ocho (8) meses. A los ciudadanos argentinos radicados en el exterior se les concederá hasta un plazo máximo de NOVENTA (90) días improrrogables, en concordancia con las disposiciones legales vigentes.

1.4. Las interesados deben integrar el formulario pertinente por duplicado, debiendo tener presente que el retorno al exterior del automotor y los efectos ingresados al país, al amparo del presente régimen, lo deben realizar dentro de los plazos indicados en 1.3. los que se computarán a partir de la fecha de ingreso establecida por la autoridad aduanera interviniente.
Cumplida la integración lo devolverá al agente aduanero.

1.5. Los funcionarios intervinientes procederán a la verificación de los datos consignados constatando su veracidad con los documentos correspondientes (Sector 2 y 3). Queda a cargo de la dependencia optar por uno a varios sistemas selectivos de control a utilizar en forma simultánea o alternada, de los que deberá dejar constancia diariamente en el Libro de Novedades de la clave a aplicar. Se autorizará la operación, si correspondiere, integrando el "casillero vencimientos", estableciendo el plazo concedido según lo dispuesto por la Dirección Nacional de Migraciones conforme se indica en el punto 1.3., adjuntando al original del formulario OM 1867 A "Declaración Jurada Admisión Temporaria Vehículos de Turistas" el certificado de residencia citado en el punto 1.1., cuando se tratara de ciudadanos argentinos.

1.6. Seguidamente, numera, sella y firma el formulario (Sector 4), entregando el duplicado al interesado. Asimismo le proporcionará una oblea identificatoria, OM 1998/2 (Anexo XI) debidamente integrada, la que el turista deberá colocar obligatoriamente en la parte superior derecha interna del parabrisas del automotor.
El original la archivará en la dependencia por orden de vencimiento.

1.7. Las dependencias de entrada, cuando constataren que la salida no se ha efectuado en término, precederán a cursar nota a la División Despacho para publicar en Circular Interna de la Repartición la solicitud de secuestro de la unidad. Asimismo ésta División comunicará a Gendarmería Nacional, Prefectura Naval Argentina y Policía Federal, dando cuenta de la infracción cometida (Art. 970 Código Aduanero).

1.8. Cuando la salida se realice a través de la misma Aduana, estas dependencias exigirán a los turistas el duplicado del formulario, verificando que la salida se efectúe en término, como también que retornen al exterior los elementos y objetos que ingresaron. Autorizará el egreso e integrará el Sector 7.

1.9. Cumplido la dispuesta en el punto 1.8. se anexará el duplicado al original reservado en la dependencia y se cancelará la admisión temporal.

1.10. Cuando la salida se canalice por una aduana distinta a la de ingreso, la dependencia actuante, procederá como se indica en el punto 1.8., remitiendo el duplicado del formulario a la Aduana de entrada dentro de las cuarenta y ocho (48) horas de producida la salida para que la misma cancele la operación de admisión temporal.

1.11. Si las Aduanas de egreso constataran que la salida se intentara realizar vencido el plazo acordado, procederán al secuestro del automotor e instruirán el sumario contencioso correspondiente en concordancia a la dispuesto por los Arts. 970 y 1085 del Código Aduanero.

1.12. En los supuestos en que la Dirección Nacional de Migraciones extendiera la permanencia originaria de los turistas extranjeros en el país, las dependencias aduaneras concederán ante solicitudes formales la extensión del plazo de admisión temporaria del correspondiente automóvil, objetos y elementos, compatibilizando dichos períodos.
La extensión así acordada no podrá exceder el plazo originario y el de su eventual prórroga previstos por el Código Aduanero para los elementos destinados a ser utilizados por el viajero o turista.
La dependencia que otorgue extensión de la admisión temporaria deberá comunicarlo a la Aduana de entrada.

1.13. En el supuesto que un turista, ya sea argentino como extranjero, durante su permanencia en el país, se encontrare dificultado o impedido de conducir su vehículo, podrá optar por una de las siguientes alternativas:
a) permitir el manejo del vehículo a terceras personas, siempre que estuviera presente en el rodado el titular de la admisión temporal, en cuya caso no será necesario la autorización escrita.
b) Autorizar a terceros a conducir su vehículo sin su presencia, previa presentación de solicitud fundada ente la Aduana más próxima y con constancia de la dificultad o impedimento que alega, ya sea para la circulación en el país o al solo efecto de su reexportación.

1.14. Las dependencias aduaneras para los casos citados en b), accederán a la peticionado, de corresponder, no pudiendo exceder la autorización el plazo de permanencia en el país del rodado de que se trate, o al solo efecto de la reexportación.

1.15. Las solicitudes de admisión temporaria no canceladas deberán reservarse en la Aduana de entrada con las constancias de las remisiones de las notas a la División Despacho solicitando el secuestro de los automotores, por el término previsto por el Art. 934 del Código Aduanero.

1.16. En aquellos lugares donde se constate la infracción y se secuestre el vehículo se procederá a la apertura del sumario correspondiente, debiendo la autoridad jurisdiccional aduanera del lugar comunicar la iniciación de la causa como su resultado a la Aduana por la cual ingresó la unidad.

Link to Law 22415 http://www.pensamientopenal.com.ar/0...conomico01.pdf
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