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Cysne 23 Sep 2012 17:55

Land Cruiser V Rav 4 V Hilux
 
Hi All,

I've seen alot about Land Cruisers, also about Hilux's as overlanders, however I don't see much on Rav 4's.

In the UK, you seem to get a lot more for your money out of a Rav 4.

Any comments or information? I've chosen it has to be a toyota, but I need to choose past that. I like the Rav 4, just worried if I'm missing something by lack of popularity?

JulianVoelcker 24 Sep 2012 10:10

Rav 4s are a little like Freelanders, they are very basic 4x4s.

Whilst they are fine for pottering around on tarmac, very few people use them for much more than that, which is why there is very little after market kit like upgraded suspension available for them. A quick scan of the Old Man Emu catalogue doesn't list either.

Your best bet is to aim for a Hilux of Four Runner.

Walkabout 24 Sep 2012 11:33

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Originally Posted by Cysne (Post 393588)
Hi All,

I've seen alot about Land Cruisers, also about Hilux's as overlanders, however I don't see much on Rav 4's.

In the UK, you seem to get a lot more for your money out of a Rav 4.

Any comments or information? I've chosen it has to be a toyota, but I need to choose past that. I like the Rav 4, just worried if I'm missing something by lack of popularity?

Well, you've set your mind on Toyota, but you remind me of a thread of mine from earlier this year; http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-x-trail-61322
For interest, if you look particularly at post number 12 in there you can see what can be done with a Nissan X Trail.
I mention this because you don't say what you want to do with your vehicle but that thread does give an idea of what can be done with that type of vehicle = the lifestyle 4x4s (bearing in mind that most of the world is now covered in bitumen).

Julian is right; the RaV means "Recreational Vehicle" and I had one back in the mid-90s when they were first produced. I only ever used it as a road-going largish estate car (I had the long wheel base version) which, I thought, had useful 4x4 capability for when the roads are covered in snow and ice - but they come fitted with road tyres, so that all depends on how you drive anyway.
They are in permanent 4 wheel drive, of course, with no diff lock etc etc.
As Julian says, they are basic therefore.

AfricaOverlander 12 Nov 2012 20:13

It really depends on where you're going. I've rarely seen RAV 4's in Africa. You'll find them in some cities to be sure, but nothing like the Landcruiser, Hilux, and Hilux Surf/4Runner.

If you're looking for a reliable vehicle with solid parts availability, than you won't go wrong with either the Landcruiser or Hilux Surf/4Runner. Which ever vehicle you do purchase, if you live in the UK, be sure to swing by Julian Voeckler's place and have him take a look at it. He'll save you a world of trouble and make sure your vehicle is prepped to last.

Good luck!:thumbup1:

Cysne 6 Dec 2012 19:01

Going for a toyota, either a hilux surf or landcruiser.

Diesel also, do I want the 2.4 or 3.0?

Is the automatic ok?

Will visit Julian Voecklers place for sure!

Thanks

ChrisC 7 Dec 2012 22:19

I think the 3.0 litre if you can find one

Without doubt Julian is probably 'the' most knowledgable Land Cruiser mechanic this side of Australia or RSA.

Drwnite 8 Dec 2012 05:12

Kicking myself fo selling it :-(
 
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I have had quite a few 4WD's and have been going bush since childhood.

Toyota is IMHO the benchmark. Having built a HJ75 series Tray Back Ute (100mm shorter chasis then the HZJ for better entry and exits) Stating with a chasis and a tub, it turned out to be the most reliable, economical and all round beastie I have ever owned. 10 years witout an issue and was capable of 1350 K's without filling up.

Fitted was a 61 Series 12HT Factory Turbo Diesel Engine.
Aux fuel tank. 75Lt. Water tank, with pump.
Thomas PTO winch with 50m of 10m cable.
AC, CD, CB, Worklight and Spotties. Super springs, Quality gas shocks, Non flip Shackles and 33 inch tyres.

Build time was about 3 months, cost was around 10K at the time and wouldnt be all that much more now if you had the time to swap out or source parts.

Failing that just buy a 61 Series Sahara Wagon with the 12HT in it.

Bullet proof donks.

Hope this helps,

Cheers Dave

Cysne 8 Dec 2012 13:18

Thats abit of a beast. I like

TOYOTA LANDCRUISER FACELIFT COLORADO GXTD SILVER 8 SEATER | eBay

How about the above?

Drwnite 8 Dec 2012 22:20

IMHO,
Keep away from Plastic new age wana be 4X4's.

Be ready to travel to find the right car. Have someone who knows look at the car before you buy. The least amount of electric accessories the less will go wrong. Find one with a factory or fitted winch, bullbar and spotties. Buy from an owner not a dealer if possible.

I'd be looking at, a car that is proven and will stand up to some punishment, the 61 series Turbo Diesel and the 80 series Turbo Diesel are awesome 4X4's. Simply add 33 inch tyres and go ;-)

Auto is not my choice although there are plenty out there and I have not heard of any issues with the boxes. Mind you it will depend on what you tow and they are not quite as fuel efficient.

One thing with all of the Toyota diesels is the oil must be changed every 5000 Kilometres or so without fail, easy to do albeit expensive at 9 litres or so.

The 2 models or variations to look at are;

1990 Toyota Landcruiser Sahara HJ61RG

http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/research/used/details/1990-toyota-landcruiser-hj61rg-104305?R=104305&Silo=Spec&Vertical=Car&Ridx=52&eap i=2

1992 Toyota Landcruiser Sahara HDJ80R

http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/research/used/details/1992-toyota-landcruiser-hdj80r-104657?R=104657&Silo=Spec&Vertical=Car&Ridx=45&eap i=2

Start searching and good luck,

Cheers Dave

Walkabout 9 Dec 2012 00:25

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Originally Posted by Drwnite (Post 403409)
IMHO,
Keep away from Plastic new age wana be 4X4's.


Unfortunately, that is easier said than done in both the UK and Europe in general; nowadays they are all moving toward the plastic cars while you guys have a much bigger choice of the desirable vehicles it seems to me - when such a desirable vehicle does come up for sale it has such a rarity value that the asking price is very high - that is not necessarily a "no no" for some folks if they want to own a rare one, have the readies to hand and get in quick before it is sold.
Dare I say that it is much easier to find an old Land Rover nowadays with no electronic gismos than other makes here in the UK - OK, I'll get my coat right now!!
:offtopic:

Drwnite 9 Dec 2012 08:55

G'day Dave,

True enough but............. going over 40 mph might be an issue !

On a serious note, I did a bit of a search and found 80 Series turbo diesel landcruisers far cheaper in the UK than they are here with far less miles too boot !

TheWarden 9 Dec 2012 09:31

nothing wrong with the LC 95 as an overland vehicle avoid the d4-d and get an earlier one, an awful lot easier to find than a decent 80

Walkabout 9 Dec 2012 12:17

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Originally Posted by Drwnite (Post 403464)
G'day Dave,

True enough but............. going over 40 mph might be an issue !

On a serious note, I did a bit of a search and found 80 Series turbo diesel landcruisers far cheaper in the UK than they are here with far less miles too boot !

Good day also.
Hmmmmmm, I'm on marshy ground with almost anything to do with 4 wheels compared with motorcycles.
What would greatly assist me - maybe Cysne also -is if you guys could say a bit more about how the LC range varies in the models and what is most desirable to have, and what is not. I don't mean the after-market stuff to be added to the base vehicle, but I see the LC specified in advertisements with air suspension (for instance). To mention the LR one more time, my background with them goes back to the days of leaf springs and heavily overloaded vehicles painted NATO green.

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Originally Posted by TheWarden (Post 403466)
nothing wrong with the LC 95 as an overland vehicle avoid the d4-d and get an earlier one, an awful lot easier to find than a decent 80

Similar to my comment above, but with respect to engines.
In contrast to Cysne's find on ebay it is also possible to find this 1988 vehicle which is being broken with just 90K miles showing on the clock.
Toyota Land Cruiser 1988 breaking | eBay
ps Just to clarify, I don't believe the 90K on the clock either!
I'm just interested in what life can be expected of the various engines which in general seem to go well over 150K miles for the diesels and similarly for the big petrol engines.

Also, is the "95" series the one that is marketed in the UK as "Prado/Colorado" i.e. with a 3 litre diesel engine??

TheWarden 9 Dec 2012 13:32

The 90 or 95 was sold as Prado or Colorado, the 95 is the LWB version like in the eBay link above. IIRC the 90 is the 3 door version.

Newer ones have the D4-D more electrics and better mpg than the simpler earlier version. Colorado's in the uk came with a locking rear diff whereasthe prado only has a lsd.

I'm not that clued up on the other cruisers ans slightly biased having a Colorado.

The 80 series is better in many respects but the LC95 is a very capable overlander and big enough to sleep in the back

Walkabout 10 Dec 2012 11:07

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Originally Posted by Drwnite (Post 403409)

Or this one?
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...78-troop-67773

And is this asking price better than can be found in Australia?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWarden (Post 403487)
The 90 or 95 was sold as Prado or Colorado, the 95 is the LWB version like in the eBay link above. IIRC the 90 is the 3 door version.

Newer ones have the D4-D more electrics and better mpg than the simpler earlier version. Colorado's in the uk came with a locking rear diff whereasthe prado only has a lsd.

I'm not that clued up on the other cruisers ans slightly biased having a Colorado.

The 80 series is better in many respects but the LC95 is a very capable overlander and big enough to sleep in the back

Thanks for that over view.
It confuses me, but names are easier to remember than numbers, if only because the names tend to be used in "for sale" advertising.
(but motorcycle models have a similar issue).


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