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[quote=pbekkerh;223741]LOL hahaha, You only have to mention ADVrider in the subject, and people start arguing and the thread will go on for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever

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I'm not a member of ADV but I've had a look once in a while. I've also been following this thread on and off. Do agree the photos on ADV are pretty good, but that is about as far as my experience goes.

Still, I don't see why there should be an issue. The main similarity is that they both are centred around motorcycling... Otherwise, they are two differeent animals. I feel that HUBB satisfies one "market" and ADV another, so no major conflict, surely?

Seems to me that the general point on here is that reading ride reports is the big plus on ADV due to the photo storage facilities. Admittedly, adding photos to the HUBB is not easy (I'm not great with image adjustment).

Now, I don't know if HUBB is a business venture or just a hobby. If it is a business venture then maybe its worth investigating, but if it is just a hobby i think we should all be grateful for the HUBB being here in the first place.

Do we really want to change something on here? Before we know, it may have lost what we enjoy about it in the first place....
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I followed the link to the ADV thread that referenced this, but it no longer exists. Is it a bit of ADV having more sense then HUBB?

I never posted my travel blog to either. I figure obscure pop culture, old punk rock and even older bikes doesn't seem like much as far as rider's blog.

I asked questions on ADV and some mailing lists when I had problems. It made more sense to me than here for old Ducati questions.

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Seems to me that the general point on here is that reading ride reports is the big plus on ADV due to the photo storage facilities. Admittedly, adding photos to the HUBB is not easy (I'm not great with image adjustment).
Nothing to do with image storage or adjustment at all.

If you want to upload a pic direct from your server, some forums don't allow it as it clogs up their server & things slow down over time. Those that do often require you to downsize the image to minimise the impact on server capacity.

If you host the pics elsewhere on the internet i.e. Smugmug, Photobucket etc, all you need to do is create a link to that pic by cutting & pasting the URL in to the text box and then type in [IMG] at the start of the URL & [/IMG] at the end & hey presto, pic appears when you submit your post. No clogging up of anyone else's servers etc. This will work with any image on the 'net unless there's some sort of copyright protection in place to prevent it.

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on ADV we are firmly convinced that the heavy use of photos is a big part of our growth

I am not a tech guy and my computer skills stop and point and click, but here is some of what we do

in Jo Momma we do not allow attachments but in the substantive portions of the site we allow a single image to be be posted in each post and we do limit the size

we also have the little photo button in VB that allows easy linking of the photos

we have heard the for people posting in internet cafe's in places where dialup is still the order of the day that it can take a long time for threads to fully come up with linked photos

ADV has broadened over the years
we have forums for hacks / sidecars, and old skool forum for vintage bikes

for us the important part is not what or where, but "that" you ride

many of ADV members simply cannot make that RTW trip . . . yet

myself included

on a bike I have made it around some of baja and covered a fair amount of the Eastern US

never once on a guided tour and always looking for some sort of adventure and I find the best rides happen when the real plan is no plan

the adventure has more to do with the rider than the destination

I registered on HUBB years ago and think it is one of the absolute finest motorcycle sites on the internet and I lurk here pretty regularly

when I get to make that ride to TDF or maybe do the ALCAN rally, I think I'll spend more time here than I do now

like I said in the post with the pics of the Triumphs

on the site I have a small in modding there is no thought of ADV vs. HUBB, only ADV and HUBB

we look at the HUBB as a friend and a peer, not a competitor


and just for fun, here is some more bike pics from some trips I have gotten to take


my first "Adventure bike" the first time I ever had my bike on a long gravel road



riding above my skill level on a closed "road" in the midwest



a buddy making it up the same road I failed on



gotta save the turtles, takes them forever to cross the road you know



me and some buddies have an annual Winter Ride, gonna be there again in a couple of weeks



dropped my bike then too, and that was just getting it off the truck



lots of us trucked in that year
trucks are getting more popular as we get older



we tend to start out on roads, gravel roads ca be fun


but sometimes things get a little out of hand



met a guy from Dakar once in the middle of Illinois and he wanted a pic on my motorcycle, I thought it was pretty cool anyway



rode into a pretty big cave once
and yup, this was hard to do and very embarrassing





had a VStrom for a year or two, rode out great, but not the prettiest motorcycle I have ever owned



one of my favorite road lunches, thermos of black coffee and a toffee bar



I ever get a decent sized piece of property I am putting up a tipi in some corner of it



and I can actually say that I have ridden my motorcycle to paradise

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You make some very good points and I agree with them entirely. I think most sensible people would agree with your comments re, Adventurerider v Hubb, doesn't stop us having banter though does it? Loved the pics BTW.
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You make some very good points and I agree with them entirely. I think most sensible people would agree with your comments re, Adventurerider v Hubb, doesn't stop us having banter though does it? Loved the pics BTW.
Good point but I feel that some of the comments made at the start of this thread were way beyond banter, some implying that Advrider members were "wannabes" etc & that that the average HU member was superior in some way?
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Superior is way too strong a word for it. The differences between the two sites attracts a different audience. The HUBB guys, working with the sort of mutual respect everyone shows here, stick to the point, overland travel mostly on bikes. ADV rider has Jomamma and the areas for oldtimer, some of the hack stuff and the road touring stuff. To me you can split the interested people into groups (which will overlap). You've got the hardcore, serious, probably travelled overlanders who, depending on personal preferences, will like either site. Then there are the guys who maybe like the odd run on their bike, but mainly enjoy the "pub atmosphere". These are the guys on Jomamma who do creep out into other areas with sometimes odd comments. In between there are people who for many reasons can't (or don't want to) stray too far off the road touring thing. They might pick up a thing or two on HU, but in terms of joining in, there is just more for them to do on ADV rider. I don't think it's very fair to refer to these guys as wannabes.

In terms of the "I saw Ewan and Charley and bought twenty thousand pounds of gear (but have only ridden to the next town and didn't like it because it rained on the way back)" crowd, I think the style of ADV rider simply suits them better. If you posted a "my £1400 extra loud aftermarket exhaust saved my life" thread here, it would be ignored, tactfully challenged and ignored some more. Post it on ADV rider and you'll get told what they think. The very very few people like this enjoy the attention and so stick with ADV rider.

Now, if we are calling someone who wants to do a long trip but doesn't know something a wannabe, that IMHO is unforgivable. On HUBB the advice is given straight. On ADV rider the new guy is treated like an apprentice in the various engineering works I've worked in. Either style works so long as the new person can live with it.

The result probably is that the average HUBB contributor has done more overland bike miles than the average on ADV rider. That doesn't really make anyone superior, just different. If you looked for very specialist information, the simple numbers on ADV rider could well yield the better result though.

I think the comparisons using disco's and bars summed it up best.

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Good point but I feel that some of the comments made at the start of this thread were way beyond banter, some implying that Advrider members were "wannabes" etc & that that the average HU member was superior in some way?
Steve, thats how it reads to a first time poster. Lot of bitching about nothing!! This looks like a really good site which I didn't know about until today. Advrider is a great site, and on face value it looks different but the intent is the same. Like minded people talking about something they love, bikes and travel. Lets leave it at that!! Bigem
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I see ADV as the WalMart of motorcycling (a little bit of everything for everybody) and the HUBB as the REI (specialized high quality stuff).
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The Hubbs problem

We say that the HUBB is specialized.Well here,s an example from yesterday!
Check H-Jay,s Question on both the Hubb and Adv Latin America forums asking for hotel recomendations in Bogota.
On the HUBB one reply,one recomendation!
On ADV nine replyies,two recomendations! and quite a bit of information thrown in for good measure.
So whilst you argue about who is better for what ADV through sheer numbers is stealing the show,so carry on with the pissing contest.
Once again if the HUBB does not push for a similar style Ride Report and pics it will slowly become irrelevant.
ADV has pics,info,classics etc.HUBB has info
TIME FOR A CHANGE.
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Superior is way too strong a word for it. The differences between the two sites attracts a different audience. The HUBB guys, working with the sort of mutual respect everyone shows here, stick to the point, overland travel mostly on bikes. ADV rider has Jomamma and the areas for oldtimer, some of the hack stuff and the road touring stuff. To me you can split the interested people into groups (which will overlap). You've got the hardcore, serious, probably travelled overlanders who, depending on personal preferences, will like either site. Then there are the guys who maybe like the odd run on their bike, but mainly enjoy the "pub atmosphere". These are the guys on Jomamma who do creep out into other areas with sometimes odd comments. In between there are people who for many reasons can't (or don't want to) stray too far off the road touring thing. They might pick up a thing or two on HU, but in terms of joining in, there is just more for them to do on ADV rider. I don't think it's very fair to refer to these guys as wannabes.

In terms of the "I saw Ewan and Charley and bought twenty thousand pounds of gear (but have only ridden to the next town and didn't like it because it rained on the way back)" crowd, I think the style of ADV rider simply suits them better. If you posted a "my £1400 extra loud aftermarket exhaust saved my life" thread here, it would be ignored, tactfully challenged and ignored some more. Post it on ADV rider and you'll get told what they think. The very very few people like this enjoy the attention and so stick with ADV rider.

Now, if we are calling someone who wants to do a long trip but doesn't know something a wannabe, that IMHO is unforgivable. On HUBB the advice is given straight. On ADV rider the new guy is treated like an apprentice in the various engineering works I've worked in. Either style works so long as the new person can live with it.

The result probably is that the average HUBB contributor has done more overland bike miles than the average on ADV rider. That doesn't really make anyone superior, just different. If you looked for very specialist information, the simple numbers on ADV rider could well yield the better result though.

I think the comparisons using disco's and bars summed it up best.

Andy
The disco & bar analogy is one of the more objectionable as it gives the impression that Advrider's are all loud, brash types whilst HU members are more serious down to earth types? This could be applied to some of the JM only posters but is far from accurate if applied as a stereotype to the rest of us. Using your analogy, would it be fair to regard all HU members are real ale drinkers sat in the corner of an old pub, stroking their beards, talking bollocks & bemoaning progress in the shape of fuel injection & radial tyres on bikes? I think not......

Comparing the Tech threads on both sites, I know that Advrider has the greater pool of knowledge. There are some on HU who still fail to realise that there's a massive gulf between those who only post in JM and the rest of us who post primarily in the bike related threads.

If anyone on HU wants some challenging, free of charge riding, then feel free to sign to Advrider:

UK:
UK AdvRider Rally - Rhayader, Wales - ADVrider
Return to Rhayader - 3rd UK Advrider Rally in Wales - ADVrider
The 4th UK AdvRider Rally Trip report and Pics thread. - ADVrider
Equinox Aftermath - ADVrider

Europe:
The Polenta Riders: ADVRIDER European Rallye 2005 - ADVrider
European Adv.Rider Rally -Take 2 - ADVrider
The Official II° European AdvRider Rally Thread - ADVrider
3rd European AdvRider Rally - Pyrenees 2007 - ADVrider
4th European Advrider Rally in the Pyrenees - ADVrider







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