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Old 29 Jan 2009
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Here, here !!

And while this thread might have brought out the worst in some of us (including me, sorry for that) it has resulted in something HUGELy important...

... now everyone should have there settings for any posting on full, so that they can see the icons for posting both pictures and youtube videos.

And who knows perhaps that'll result in a few more ride reports appearing here.
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Ride Reports on the HUBB

Don't hold your breath on seeing to many ride reports from guys on extended trips...especially while on the road.

The reason being...Internet access is limited in many ways, whether is be finding it, speed/bandwidth, cost, time.

In order of priority while on my trip, I visited the Internet cafe/access point for the following:

1. Arranging visas, and other route planning necessities.
2. Telling those closest to them...I was ok...and maybe taking care of issues at home while on the trip.
3. Sharing in detail with ride reports/pics...the recent passages of the trip.

#1&2 take minimum 1/2 hour...and #3 is something we all enjoy doing when travelling but we unfortunately can't share our trips in a timely manner...as much as we'd love to...thats what spawned the monthly/quarterly HUBB E-zine...it was Grant/Susan's way of keeping the riding community abreast of other travellers.
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HUBB vs ADV

I live in N Ireland and have had some excellent trail riding in Wales with guys I met through ADV. Subsequently I have discovered a lot of the same guys posting on HU. I don't read Jo Momma but I do own a Mossberg pump action shotgun.....

Too much shytetalk on ADV I agree but the site is a lot more user friendly than HU
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What really got Ride Reports on Advrider going was the pictures accompanying the text. The more people posted stories, the higher the bar was raised--hence the tremendous amount of traffic on that site. We can do the same here if more people participate and contribute material. It's been my experience that when posting a few teaser lines with a link to your own website, few people will click to to it--so give us the whole enchilada here.

And it doesn't have to be bi-weekly postings from the road while traveling. Keep some notes and when returning home, (if ever) upload your story. It may take awhile, but eventually word will spread what is happening on HU and that can only lead to bigger and better things.

Although I have only had the honor of meeting Grant and Susan one time a few years ago, I have watched their hard work and determination on this project evolve into the most useful site on the Internet for international riders. Fellow travelers via the HUBB have provided vital information to many of us when in need and we should all stay involved. Remember this is a learning experience for everyone and the end result will be an even better and more refined HU. Grant and Susan, keep up the great work!

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There's a fascinating thread over there at the moment about a thread in JoMomma. Partly it's interesting to see people attempting to justify their behaviour, but it's also interesting to see people commenting about which parts of ADVRider are essential. And it seems that many of the contributors don't NEED JoMomma, or political threads, or scantily clad people.
Which is odd given their popularity.

Oh, and also, another difference. HUBB members tend to be thinner.
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...Oh, and also, another difference. HUBB members tend to be thinner.
Only sometimes, less smart.
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What really got Ride Reports on Advrider going was the pictures accompanying the text. The more people posted stories, the higher the bar was raised--hence the tremendous amount of traffic on that site. We can do the same here if more people participate and contribute material. It's been my experience that when posting a few teaser lines with a link to your own website, few people will click to to it--so give us the whole enchilada here.

And it doesn't have to be bi-weekly postings from the road while traveling. Keep some notes and when returning home, (if ever) upload your story. It may take awhile, but eventually word will spread what is happening on HU and that can only lead to bigger and better things.

Although I have only had the honor of meeting Grant and Susan one time a few years ago, I have watched their hard work and determination on this project evolve into the most useful site on the Internet for international riders. Fellow travelers via the HUBB have provided vital information to many of us when in need and we should all stay involved. Remember this is a learning experience for everyone and the end result will be an even better and more refined HU. Grant and Susan, keep up the great work!

Here's my first thread

if anyone would know it is Glenn

he has some of the most heavily subscribed ride reports on all of ADV
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LOL hahaha, You only have to mention ADVrider in the subject, and people start arguing and the thread will go on for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever
Maybe not. They are over there talking about shutting Jo Momma down right now.
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Long time lurker's useless observations

IMHO...
I like to view HUBB from work at times. Mainly because I really appreciate the richness of storytelling that the riders from other countries (I'm in the USA) bring to the party here.

I find the story telling on HUBB pretty darn good. Frankly, story telling about places I'll probably never have the money to go to. Everybody I know on Advrider uses the site for two things: the classifieds section, and the pictures on the Ride Reports. I don't know anyone who uses it for technical knowledge. But that is because I don't ride with anyone who has the bikes so common to Advriders. I'm from So Cal and for the bikes I ride on and off road I use Thumper talk for tech and yahoo groups for tech. In particular, I really like the Yahoo group for the FJ1200. I do know that the few times I have tried to find information on Advrider for stuff like, say, which GPS to buy, I've been lost in a morass of conflicting information, wrong information, and worse.

That said, I was goggling something else and found this string of posts on HUBB in the search reply and it piqued my interest. I landed on Page 7 with Mutineer calling Peanutsdad a liar. I'm not first-hand familiar with exactly what Peanutsdad is saying. Still, I find his general observations, or claims about Mutineer to be spot on. I saw a post in the Which GPS to Buy section of Advrider some time ago-earlier this year I think, when I was buying a GPS, from a guy who had a hard time finding anything useful in the section after wading through a hundred or more pages of nonsense with a sprinkling of useful stuff. I thought the guy's post was pretty accurate. And as I recall his tone was frustrated but funny and constructive. As the pages pile on and on in those busy sites how does one sort the wheat from the chaff?

In any case, I remember clearly that Mutineer went into the poster's account and changed his avatar to a crying baby, called the guy various names, made some stupid remark about his parents or something, deleted all his quotations and personal stuff, boasted about his authority on Advrider as a Mod, and so forth. I remember at the time thinking, WTF is all this? Made me feel like I was in high school. All the while a bunch of others cheered it all on. Great, make it even more difficult to find something useful on which GPS! I don't want to make any sweeping generalizations about something as unimportant as a web site. Still, I think peanutsdad was accurate in his description of Mutineer. I can't comment about the claims Peanutsdad makes about the politics over there as I'm not in those sections. I can't imagine a happy person setting aside hours everyday to post gibberish about nonsense. And I am not privy to how miserable always vote...

I'm not saying Mutineer is a jerk or immature or liar. I'd just be repeating Peanutsdad then. And it would undermine my central point to call someone a liar, offer personal details about them being banned from a site I am a Mod on, or by writing I don't care about him. Who knows what people are really like without the anonymity and insular nature of internet postings? Perhaps they'd like each other in an environment that made each personally responsible for their actions in the flesh and here and now (like riding does). But I went back over to Advrider and reread some of Mutineers posts because his congenial tone here struck me as completely different than his antagonistic, bullying, boorish writing over there at Advrider. I remembered him because his in your face avatar of Johnny Cash giving the middle finger seemed so full of impotent rage. I think his example is perfect for the discussion (?) in this thread as to the differences in the sites' tone. We have the same person acting completely different on another site ostensibly about the same activity!!! I am suggesting his behavior and reckless manner on that site are, to me, emblematic of a sizable group of people on Advrider I reckon I can call Posers. I don't really see the same tone on this site or Pashnit. Advrider seems to cultivate this wannabe badass cloak that many assume at Advrider with all their Inmate Culture BS and pedantic treatment of Noobs. Is that what Adventure has become? Has it become a lifestyle in a corporate notebook like Surfing? I am never in the Jomamma style section of any site. And I don't have any of the bikes you good folks have implied as being the ones Advrider really excels at community support for (big KTMs and BMWs I am guessing). There are Yahoo forums for the bikes I have and they are very, very good. Just try and post something mean spirited or political on the FJ1200 forum!

I think at some point a forum gets too large for its community to be useful in many ways. That works in favor of the PowerPoint presentations the Ride Reports have become at Advrider: a picture, a predictably clever caption, a list of pratfalls, a picture of a greasy meal. And it's great for the classifieds section for 100% dirt guys. But I think the format of v.bulletin forums is really pretty weak for sorting technical information. Sure, it's a step up from Yahoo's groups which don't do story telling or photos well at all.

Unfortunately, I think the drama of what will the public choose-written words or pictures-has already been decided. That's why they call them Web Browsers and not Readers I guess. I read Lawrence Hacking's book To Dakar and Back (does that give away my primary scoot?) several months ago and after I read the book (about two weeks) I realized I hadn't been on any of the rider sites during that time. And I didn't miss them at all.

My thanks to the founders of HUBB. Literacy is grand!!! And thanks to you guys everywhere else for giving a poor So Cal guy a glimpse of the world.

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I don't know anyone who uses it for technical knowledge. But that is because I don't ride with anyone who has the bikes so common to Advriders...And I don't have any of the bikes you good folks have implied as being the ones Advrider really excels at community support for (big KTMs and BMWs I am guessing).
ADVRider is very helpful for technical information re the R1200GS, it is the first place (online, anyway) I would turn with any techical questions.
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For the life of me, I cannot figure out why the JoMomma section on advrider even exists. And if there is something wrong with that site, it is that so much garbage and insults are allowed there for no purpose other than for merely maliciousl bantering. But the solution is easy, just stay over on Ride Reports for professional quality photography and an abundance of skillfully written stories. I have recently tried to stimulate a similar style over here by posting in Ride Tales, but on my thread, as well as most others over there, has almost zero feedback.

Replies for accurate technical information are almost instantaneous on advrider, as is valuable input on after-market motorcycle products. Thousands of bikers constantly monitor advrider and most are anxious to assist fellow riders. Are there differences in opinions? With that many participating, you bet there is but that is the price for a large forum base and you have to decide what people make their claims on and who is just being a know-it-all. BTW--the biggest jerk-know-it-all on any motorcycling website is a regular poster here who is often moderated, and now completely banned on advrider. Still, much to the annoyance of many, he is tolerated here.

Do mods abuse their authority? Sometimes yes. As Pioneer Rider saw a problem on advrider, so did I over here when attempting to "out" a disgruntled ex-boyfriend (Wildcat92) of Benka's over here who had started a website slandering her with lies. This rejected lover initiated a thread to draw attention to the website he started by posing a supposedly innocent question. Unknown to many is that this particular person is the source of many, many anonymous emails and nasty rumors about other people in our community.

Even though the mods knew the identity (via a surrogate) of the bogus poster, because he is a personal friend, they deleted evidence of who was behind the sickness and closed the thread so no more obvious information about their pal could be posted. Was this censoring to protect a creep fair? Certainly not, but it is still the prerogative of the the mods and site owners to decide what gets posted on their site. Like it or not, there are no constitutional guarantees here nor should there be. All in all, the job gets done to the best of everyone's abilities and both HU and advrider are incredibly valuable sources of information for motorcyclists around the world.
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But the solution is easy, just stay over on Ride Reports for professional quality photography and an abundance of skillfully written stories.
People differ, personally I seldom read Ride Reports. If I do it’s mainly because I know the people personally or the story is from Africa. I seldom find that kind of stories on adv-rider.
But I know that many people enjoy reading the stories, it’s just not my kind of fun.


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I have recently tried to stimulate a similar style over here by posting in Ride Tales, but on my thread, as well as most others over there, has almost zero feedback.
This brings up an interesting subject. Why do people post Ride Tales? Some do it to promote their books, some because they like (positive?) feedback and there are a variety of other reasons.


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Replies for accurate technical information are almost instantaneous on advrider, as is valuable input on after-market motorcycle products.
It’s instantaneous if you are in the right time-zone.
There is a lot of technical expertise on advrider, and that’s maybe the main reason why I visit it. On the other hand there are better forums (for me) in my time-zone with even greater expertise but I guess that depends on what bike you are riding and what you are looking for.
When it comes to after-market products I find that my personal needs differ to the major crowd on Adv-rider.

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BTW--the biggest jerk-know-it-all on any motorcycling website is a regular poster here who is often moderated, and now completely banned on advrider. Still, much to the annoyance of many, he is tolerated here.
He has not been her for a while (moderated user).

I’m not saying that advrider is bad, but (for me) most of the posts are not interesting; and they do have a lot of posts.. Luckily people have different interests.
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Long time lurker's useless observations...I am never in the Jomamma style section of any site...


You're in the "JoMomma" section of The Hubb.
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I like both places. However, I was initially turned off at ADVrider because of all the FYYFF! stuff, but SV kinda straightened me out on that, even though I trolled on him once over at ADVrider. Plus I got drawn into a few JoMomma threads, where I won't ever post again. It's like doing heroin, once you get drawn in it's hard to break the addiction.

Nevertheless, I spend most of my time at ADVrider in the trip planning and rider reports area. There is a lot of great information there, and there is a lot of great information here as well.

I also like the moderating at ADVrider with respect to ride reports. The temporary banning policy actually does work to modify one's proclivity to litter another rider's ride report.
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Since getting on line back in 2003.
I now believe that many bike related web site's have there share of people that do more talking than riding Bike's

Now be that on the HU or Advrider.

Now last weekend we had a meeting which was attend by People that like to get out and ride bike's..a total of 45 rider's came to Dent In Yorkshire on a wet weekend.

It was a mix of rider's from The HU site and The ADvrider site.
No one was interested in which site they post on , only that we were all out to have a great weekend.

That to me is what it's all about, and alway's as been.

Ridding bike's and having Fun.

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