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Same discussion again. Roughly I would split it in 3 groups:

a) 33.3% who deeply dislike them and criticize them, some who are older and used to travel by bike intensively quite before LWD was filmed and especially those who started traveling because of them but do not reckon their influence (the laters sometimes look like "exclusive club wanabee members", those who bitterly repeat "it's a nice place, but there were too many tourists").

b) 33.3% who deeply love them, whose passion for motorcycle traveling was born or greatly boosted by watching LWR (they didn't travel much by bike before). Some are nice chaps, others ride 1200GSA (sorry for the bad joke, don't blame me, pleeeeeease).

c) 33.3% who reckon their "positive" influence, even if being a figurated documentary, in spite of the fact that they were previously motorcycle travellers or not (HUBB members would be at least halved if LWR hadn't been filmed). Some may dislike the casting anyway. BUT I guess many of them do not even bother answering these posts, since we ALL more or less know how much Ewan & Charly influenced motorcycle travelling.

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myself
Charley 100% like top biker
Ewan 100% like part time biker and he's an actor
russ malkin 100% just along for the ride
Claudio von planta 100% top bloke didn't ride before LWR saved there arses a few times
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Looks like I opened a can of worms with that comment!! LOL!!

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A support truck? You seriously think most people secretly want to head off on their trip with a support truck? Driven by your mum no doubt so she can mend your socks and tuck you in at night.

I have to admit the LWR and LWD series got me interested but I just find Charlie annoying on camera. Nothing to do with his support vehicles or massive budget.
No problem there. I find both of them pretty damned annoying. But I still love the shows. Being a construction worker, who can never seem to get ahead, its awesome for me to watch shows like that along with forums like this. I can live vicariously through of all of your/their travels.

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I love LWR + all, but I must be a lying sack of because I'd never want a support vehicle, even if I had the resources.
HAHAHA. I personally would not want a support truck tying me down either. But if I had the resources those two had to make things more comfortable...oh hell yes Id use them!! If you can honestly say that if you had the money, you would not use said money, well than youre better than I am. Even if that was just restricted to hiring fixers, hiring people to do paperwork for me, or just being able to stay in nice hotels if I wanted too. The support truck, specifically, I used as an example because that seems to be what everybody picks on the most. At the very least, to film a quality tv show you would NEED a support truck. Look at the Globerider DVD's...while I have several and enjoy them immensely, they are not of the same quality as LWR/LWD/RTD. Especially over on ADV, it seems the majority of naysayers concentrate on the fact that E&C did the trip without having a shoestring budget, so somehow, that means they really didnt have an "adventure".

If I had the money to budget for a trip, like many of you here do, and could realistically do said trip, I would. I dont NEED sponsors and fancy hotels and support trucks. My point is I do not believe ANYONE can honestly say they would not use the resources they have, whether alot or a little.

LOL. Alright, let the flaming continue.
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myself
Charley 95% like top biker
Ewan 80% like part time biker and he's an actor
russ malkin 20% just along for the ride
Claudio von planta 100% top bloke didn't ride before LWR saved there arses a few times
I haven't met Ewan so I can't really comment about him.

Charley I've met a few times, and each time he's been a top bloke. I think the narration in the latest series is a little over the top but that appears to be the way of most TV products these days. At this rate I'll end up giving up with the goggle box and just have a good read! Or I could turn off the sound!

As for Russ, well I've met up with him a number of times and he's a really good egg. Interesting, can tell a good story when he wants to and is very knowledgeable. A good bloke to join you over a drink or ten.

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I guess I'm obliged to finish by saying that BMWs are for wankers!
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Brave indeed ! And to be outvoted by so many wankers !
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Aventure.

As regards the belief that no-one, if they had access to huge resources, would take backup....You absolutely don't understand what adventure is. Oh how I wish I had loads of money. Then l'd be able to do many things, totally without backup for the absolute hell of it. Have you heard of Reinhold Messner? The Italian mountaineer who climbed many 8,000m mountains alone, unsupported and without oxygen exactly for the emotional experiences and mental rewards of doing it that way. That is exactly what makes a joke of anyone who uses support, they're missing out. Lindsay.
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I'd take a backup truck, but only to transport a troupe of dancing girls and cerveza.

I wish to stress here and now, contrary to what I may or may not have written in the past, that I now 110% idolise Charley-no longer- Boring. I think the sun rises, shines and falls out of his (ample) Arsch. I am now -officially- his biggest fan, evva.

I luv u Charley!

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I'd take a backup truck, but only to transport a troupe of dancing girls and cerveza.

I wish to stress here and know, contrary to what I may or may not have written in the past, that I now 110% idolise Charley-no longer- Boring. I think the sun rises, shines and falls out of his (ample) Arsch. I am now -officially- his biggest fan, evva.

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Long Way Round Review by an over lander

Amigos:

1. My first motorcycle was a 50 cc Japanese bike with pedals traded from a well heeled philatelist shop in Tokyo, Japan for 3 valuable U S postage stamps awarded me for good grades from my Father's collection, sometime in 1958. When I was 12 years old, I became a leather jacketed, white shoed regular at the kimono clad hostess gin bars of occupied Tokyo established for the occupation soldiers after WWII. If discovered, I would have been sacked and sent back to the States.

2. My first exciting and extremely difficult and dangerous international motorcycle journey was ten years later in 1968 from San Jose, Costa Rica to Los Angeles, California on a Honda CD 175cc motorcycle, (the largest bike readily available new in Costa Rica at the time), after a 2 year stint as a teacher with the United States Peace Corps in Puerto Limon, Costa Rica.

3. Since then I have motorcycled 6 South American countries and from Spain to Turkey and back and more.

4. We all have arrived here, January 12, 2013, and not one of us, not one have the right to evaluate the path of others that brought them here.

5. I am in Buenos Aires, Argentina and am more than pleased to meet and greet any over landers, Charley included, who find themselves in Buenos Aires.

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Amigos:

1. My first motorcycle was a 50 cc Japanese bike with pedals traded from a well heeled philatelist shop in Tokyo, Japan for 3 valuable U S postage stamps awarded me for good grades from my Father's collection, sometime in 1958. When I was 12 years old, I became a leather jacketed, white shoed regular at the kimono clad hostess gin bars of occupied Tokyo established for the occupation soldiers after WWII. If discovered, I would have been sacked and sent back to the States.

2. My first exciting and extremely difficult and dangerous international motorcycle journey was ten years later in 1968 from San Jose, Costa Rica to Los Angeles, California on a Honda CD 175cc motorcycle, (the largest bike readily available new in Costa Rica at the time), after a 2 year stint as a teacher with the United States Peace Corps in Puerto Limon, Costa Rica.

3. Since then I have motorcycled 6 South American countries and from Spain to Turkey and back and more.

4. We all have arrived here, January 12, 2013, and not one of us, not one have the right to evaluate the path of others that brought them here.

5. I am in Buenos Aires, Argentina and am more than pleased to meet and greet any over landers, Charley included, who find themselves in Buenos Aires.

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Ref your point number 4: Thanks mate, but I and everyone else has the right to evaluate whatever and whoever I/we want, including the paths of others.

How is your point number 1 relevant to this discussion?
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Happy to engage

What I meant to say which was obviously not understood by you, is that international over landing on motorcycles is good because it encourages peoples of the world to know one another and at whatever level communicate with words instead of bullets and bombs and it is my belief that casting negative interpretations upon peaceful attempts for the peoples of one culture, one nation, one race, etc to venture forth and experience albeit on a motorcycle, other cultures, nations, races etc should not be evaluated negatively as each of those who embark on such a journey do it differently, with the fact remaining that they have done it.

Of course, at a personal level and, I might add here a egocentric level, each of us, you included, have the right to hold personal opinions regarding the ventures of others, but as far as evaluating the ventures of others, you may or may not have a clue as to motivations or intent of those you evaluate.

This is all I am saying.

As for my first point, I was simply trying to establish my credentials as an international over lander that might qualify me for commenting here.

Why you are so antagonistic, I do not know. I am only trying to promote international over landing for the purpose of peoples getting to know one another, a process that might preclude people bombing one another, like you have attempted to bomb me. What are you trying to do?>

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My point is I do not believe ANYONE can honestly say they would not use the resources they have, whether alot or a little.

LOL. Alright, let the flaming continue.
No flaming, just that I find it surprising that you're so adamant about the fact that everyone thinks the same way that you do.

There are experiences and people and foods and situations (some good, mostly bad) that I've found myself in as a result of not having the resources at hand. All of these experiences are the reason for travel in itself.
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Amigos:

1. My first motorcycle was a 50 cc Japanese bike with pedals traded from a well heeled philatelist shop in Tokyo, Japan for 3 valuable U S postage stamps awarded me for good grades from my Father's collection, sometime in 1958. When I was 12 years old, I became a leather jacketed, white shoed regular at the kimono clad hostess gin bars of occupied Tokyo established for the occupation soldiers after WWII. If discovered, I would have been sacked and sent back to the States.

2. My first exciting and extremely difficult and dangerous international motorcycle journey was ten years later in 1968 from San Jose, Costa Rica to Los Angeles, California on a Honda CD 175cc motorcycle, (the largest bike readily available new in Costa Rica at the time), after a 2 year stint as a teacher with the United States Peace Corps in Puerto Limon, Costa Rica.

3. Since then I have motorcycled 6 South American countries and from Spain to Turkey and back and more.

4. We all have arrived here, January 12, 2013, and not one of us, not one have the right to evaluate the path of others that brought them here.

5. I am in Buenos Aires, Argentina and am more than pleased to meet and greet any over landers, Charley included, who find themselves in Buenos Aires.

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Are you sure your post has any thing at all to do with Charley B.?

I think you have posted this post in the wrong thread.

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What I meant to say which was obviously not understood by you, is that international over landing on motorcycles is good because it encourages peoples of the world to know one another and at whatever level communicate with words instead of bullets and bombs and it is my belief that casting negative interpretations upon peaceful attempts for the peoples of one culture, one nation, one race, etc to venture forth and experience albeit on a motorcycle, other cultures, nations, races etc should not be evaluated negatively as each of those who embark on such a journey do it differently, with the fact remaining that they have done it.

Of course, at a personal level and, I might add here a egocentric level, each of us, you included, have the right to hold personal opinions regarding the ventures of others, but as far as evaluating the ventures of others, you may or may not have a clue as to motivations or intent of those you evaluate.

This is all I am saying.

As for my first point, I was simply trying to establish my credentials as an international over lander that might qualify me for commenting here.

Why you are so antagonistic, I do not know. I am only trying to promote international over landing for the purpose of peoples getting to know one another, a process that might preclude people bombing one another, like you have attempted to bomb me. What are you trying to do?>

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I see what you want to say here and I totally agree. Well said.

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What I meant to say which was obviously not understood by you, is that international over landing on motorcycles is good because it encourages peoples of the world to know one another and at whatever level communicate with words instead of bullets and bombs and it is my belief that casting negative interpretations upon peaceful attempts for the peoples of one culture, one nation, one race, etc to venture forth and experience albeit on a motorcycle, other cultures, nations, races etc should not be evaluated negatively as each of those who embark on such a journey do it differently, with the fact remaining that they have done it.

Of course, at a personal level and, I might add here a egocentric level, each of us, you included, have the right to hold personal opinions regarding the ventures of others, but as far as evaluating the ventures of others, you may or may not have a clue as to motivations or intent of those you evaluate.

This is all I am saying.

As for my first point, I was simply trying to establish my credentials as an international over lander that might qualify me for commenting here.

Why you are so antagonistic, I do not know. I am only trying to promote international over landing for the purpose of peoples getting to know one another, a process that might preclude people bombing one another, like you have attempted to bomb me. What are you trying to do?>

xfiltrate
Antagonistic? All I was doing was disagreeing with you. Sorry, I won't do it again. You're 100% right all the time.

Why do you need to assert your credential? Kimono clad hostess gin bars?

Bombs?
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All that waffle about kimonos and bombs and postage stamps... Well, taking all that into consideration, I've 'evaluated' BMW motorcycles again, and once again found that they're only for wankers!

Just trying to be helpful here!
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