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Folks, it's just my opinion........

I personally couldn't care less if C+E never get on a bike again.

"We're hardcore," they say over and over again. And then they proceed to get everything handed to them for free, they get specialist SAS training to deal with bandits, they get "fixers" at every bend in the road, they ride through a river then describe it as "the biggest challenge of our lives", they have a tough 200 mile day then get a 5* hotel in which to recover, they camp out for a few nights then think they have almost become nomads of the land, they throw thespian tantrums with a few swear words to boot and they reckon they are "pioneers" for motorcycle travellers.

NO THEY AREN'T. They're 2 spoilt boys who happen to like bikes. Don't get me wrong, I am quite sure we would all jump at such a trip if given the chance and I have no gripe with them for taking advantage of the opportunities that have presented themselves. In fact, I would even go as far as to say....well done chaps, you manipulated your positions well.

But "hardcore" ?????
Not on your nelly, C+E, if you want "hardcore" just take a look at the guys who did Mondo Enduro and Terra Circa.........and lots of other people who submit their travel tales on sites such as this one (which doesn't include me by the way coz my bike travels have never gone outside Europe. But then I'm not claiming any titles either!). I'd like their shows much better and I'd respect them much more if they simply got on with the trips and stopped making reference to how they are experts, tough guys, macho men and whatever other ludicrous claims they make. Coz they really aren't any of these in comparison to other everyday bike travellers.

Like I said earlier......it's just my opinion, but I believe it's an opinion based on fact (and not jealousy!).



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Yes phtest.......I reckon you should indeed do thaT.
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stopped making reference to how they are experts, tough guys, macho men and whatever other ludicrous claims they make. Coz they really aren't any of these in comparison to other everyday bike travellers.
have watched the series a good few times and dont remember much of this happening, in fact the opposite and ewan admits over and over how inexperienced he is and that if was nto for all people that they met that helped them they may not have done trip.

but hey as few lads have said already e+c have brought bikes back into the good books in the media and have draw some good lads and lassies into biking and they are very welcome.
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also go email fron Russ the producer says that he may be doing his own trip and with charlie on BAM 2 there stilllot happening and look forward to watching them
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Its called Irony try and grow a sense of humor.
Although, I'll agree that C+E are hardly hardcore! I have to give them credit for getting me off my back side and finally given it a go.
Sure, as soon as I started reaserching, I found out and read about (particularly in this site) about plenty of people out there that were really hardcore.
But hey, good on them! Not only can they afford to do it and enjoy it, but they're making money off it. And more importantly, they're giving motorcycle adventure huge exposure.

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Flippin' eck.. is this thread still going? This subject has been round the world more times than Charley Boorman...

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I'm one of those who watched "Long Way Round" and enjoyed it immensely.

It motivated me to walk the Uk's "Coast to Coast" in 12 days and that was a good adventure. I may only tour Scotland and soon Europe, on the bike, but I am content.

Ewan & Charlie may not be hardcore, but they are entertaining and are in the business of making programmes for us to watch. This necessitates the backup team and succeeds in its aims very well.

Nick Sanders made a DVD around his RTW speed record that was very interesting, but will never make the TV as it is bellow standard to broadcast and is not entertaining enough. That's because he has no crew to ensure the final product has quality and entertainment value. I think Nick is amazing but I use him to illustrate the point.

People set their own adventure. in their own comfort zones. Big, small, safe, dangerous, solo, group, it is still an adventure and a challenge for them. For me walking 190miles or biking 1,500miles was a challenge, and things seem to be getting bigger each year (next year 3,500miles Europe).

Comparing anyone famous or not, to the most hardcore solo RTWist on a limited budget is elitist and people should be respected for what they wish to do.

Whatever they do next i'll be watching and will buy the DVDs. They have introduced a generation to motorbikes in a very positive way and I salute them both.

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People set their own adventure. in their own comfort zones. Big, small, safe, dangerous, solo, group, it is still an adventure and a challenge for them.
BRAVO! Well said.

That's the whole point .. we're all different. The trip that qualifies as a lifetime's adventure to me .. could be perceived as childishly simple/easy by another.




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BRAVO! Well said.

That's the whole point .. we're all different. The trip that qualifies as a lifetime's adventure to me .. could be perceived as childishly simple/easy by another.

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Bravo +2, anything that encourages people to have a try is good.

What I'm less comfortable with is how people react to the details. From Maxander's other posts I detect (tell me if I'm wrong) that he's viewing this as a starting point and comes here to pick up other aspects. At the other end of the scale some clown will eventually get into big trouble when he's found a thousand miles from home with a part welded BM GS, half the Touratech catalogue and a signed photograph of EM/CB. This isn't the LWD/R boy's fault, it's how the media presents everything and how some people seem to soak it all in as fact. If the only result is Metal Mules costing £2000 a set because they are a must have for stockbrokers, so be it but I worry the effect will be worse.

I could criticise Chris Scott's book for now being used as a shopping list (not his fault, the lists are a useful starting point). Ted Simon was always more of a journalist on a bike not a biker (something he's said himself). Nick Sanders is ****ing dangerous and it's pure luck he isn't now a stain on some roadtrain or bit of armco, but lots of people ride like that and he's just a more famous example. They all got info out there and gave people ideas. The biggest issue with LWD/R is the shear size of it's profile because Ewan McGregor is an actor, it swamps the other sources and hence worries me.

I'll stick by the idea that if they'd made a Holywood feature film of Mondo Enduro the results would have been similar to LWD/R.

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The biggest issue with LWD/R is the shear size of it's profile because Ewan McGregor is an actor, it swamps the other sources and hence worries me.

I'll stick by the idea that if they'd made a Holywood feature film of Mondo Enduro the results would have been similar to LWD/R.

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Agreed, but that's the commercial factor. They made LWR initially because they had a famous name to launch the project at the highest level, and without Ewan you could argue that it would never have been made at all.

You see the contrast between LWD/R RTD where there is obvious big sponsorship and career directors / producers on mainstream TV channels, and the amateur DVDs that would be lucky to make Men & Motors, Discovery Whatnot, or direct to DVD. It doesn't mean the amateur stuff isn't good, it's just more for the enthusiast fringe audience.

LWD was great entertainment and could not have been made any other way and still fit the mainstream market it was sold into.

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Yeppers, there's a world of difference in the promo world with the right personalities fronting / backing a film project. Take aussie Rossco's good work for instance. Rossco has put together a bloody brilliant promo of his adventure ride called "This Way Up". The download for which is here: http://www.radium.tv/thiswayup/This%...Up%20Promo.wmv

You can get the full story from this ADVrider thread, which you'll find self-explanatory. I piped-in on the thread with my tuppence-worth at post #55. [BTW, I am not a regular visitor or prolific poster on ADVrider, but I do hang-out there from time-to-time under the screen name 'Keef'.]

Ross &Co deserve a BIG break with this project, that's for sure. I'm certain he would appreciate your support .. and any constructive help /ideas /comments would no doubt go down well too.

I thought Rossco's project would be worth mentioning under this particular HUBB thread, as it's highly relevant IMHO.

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PS - Incidentally, I have no commercial interest in "This Way Up" whatsoever.




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Flogging a dead GS...err..horse...actually no!

Just read on wikipedia that McGregor has confirmed Long Way To Go for June 2010, possibly South America.

Im actually excited. By Any Means 2 is quite enjoyable at the moment.
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By Any Means 2 is quite enjoyable at the moment.
I thought so too, maybe it's because it's a part of the world that's not overly exposed, or maybe it because there's more bikes in it.

I'm kinda getting to like Charlie a bit more now.
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I have it from the horses mouth ( well Ewan) this is happening in 2011. Thats all he would tell me.

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After LWR, Ewan and his wife went back to Mongolia and adopted a little orphan girl. That tells me all I need to know about the man.

And I'd ride or get drunk with Charley given the chance - he seems close enough to a "regular guy" for me.

There's a lot worse things than two guys promoting motorcycling in a positive light, however they choose to do it.
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