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Warthog, it's in Travellers Seeking Travellers cos of the OP, who wondered if perhaps they were on the road at the same time as E&C, and we thus, seeking them.

And, one things just occured to me, something to ask ourselves as we have a snipe at the celebs. If there's no more E&C on TV, will you miss them? Cos one things for sure, no matter whether they got stuff free or not, they got biking on TV.

Maybe there's an opening for someone to jump in though, Poor Way Up, perhaps?
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Warthog, it's in Travellers Seeking Travellers cos of the OP, who wondered if perhaps they were on the road at the same time as E&C, and we thus, seeking them.

And, one things just occured to me, something to ask ourselves as we have a snipe at the celebs. If there's no more E&C on TV, will you miss them? Cos one things for sure, no matter whether they got stuff free or not, they got biking on TV.

Maybe there's an opening for someone to jump in though, Poor Way Up, perhaps?
Ahh, so it was a case of mildly wandering off topic....

As for missing them if they did not reappear on TV? Depnds on whether the next installment has the feel of LWR which I liked, or LWD which felt more contrived...

Perhaps my point of view was unclear: I have nothing against what they did or how they did it, except to say that its not how I would choose to do it, but I still enjoy watching it all....
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I can't see them doing another trip for a while, Ewan's just done two films he needs to publicise and probably has a couple more in the pipeline...not sure his wife seemed that happy about him swanning off either. I found the first trip entertaining, the image of them sinking in the mud on those 1 ton Beemers was amusing :-) They should interview Claudio, I bet he could write a book!
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To the Attention of: "Long Way Up" production crew

Wouldn't it be more interesting if "Long Way Up" was filmed from and featured the point of view of the South/Central/North American people that stars Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman rideby/meet along the way?

It matters little to me which bikes they ride, unless they decided to switch sponsors and ride bikes manufactured in Brazil.

It matters even less to me that they afford themselves the best gear, hotels, an expensive crew and equipment, and expensive contingency plans.

WHAT DOES MATTER TO ME IS THAT THESE TWO MEN, THEIR SPONSORS AND THEIR CREWS HAVE PROMOTED MOTORCYCLE ADVENTURE TOURING TO MILLIONS, and it matters even more that because of their efforts, "hardcore or not" many, many more international motorcycle adventurers will be riding internationally.

I believe communication can resolve all conflict, and that the communication/understanding between international motorcycle adventurers and the peoples of the world contributes to world peace.

Ride on Ewan and Charley and ride free.

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i dont really understand why people complain about the pair.
i had not even got a bike licence before i watched lwr, now i am saving for my trip from alaska to argentina next year with a friend who was equally inspired by the program. yes they moan alot but who cares, personally i think most of us moan when we are doing something difficult, and its the most difficult moments that we look back on with so much satisfaction that we did it.
the guys are not hardcore endurance riders that have been on the road for years they are bloody actors! you dont get much further from your comfort zone than that?!

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Just remember, they are filming a TV show. I would say that a lot of it is scripted or at least edited so to give entertaining conflict, man vs. environment, man vs. man, and man vs. himself, and the odd comic relief bit to keep people interested.
'Let's get the jeeps stuck in the mud and get the bikes out first. That'll keep the rider's the cheering and the cagers thinking about geting a bike.'
'Let's grab the wrong passport and piss off customs.'
'Let's tell C&E that there are bandits in the area and let them sweat."
'Hey Ewan, Charley, talk about your wives and kids and cry a little to rile up the macho guys and keep their wives watching...'
'Hey Charley, do a wheelie in front of that elephant to keep the macho street guys watching.'
"Let's make fun of the next guy's name and piss him off (BAM - Farty episode) and make 'some' people laugh at how rude and ignorant we foreigners can be...'

It's just entertainment, and it is entertaining(most of the time).

I do applaud them for trying to get local people into the picture. The unicef stuff is great. Having dinner with a local person is the best most of us can ever hope for seeing real people's lives without actually living there.

RE their bike of choice... they learned their lesson about sponsorship in Race to Dakar, we haven't seen a BMW 4x4 since. Those BMW bikes are up to the task, even if not all of us like them.

I wish I was a cameraman and could go along for the ride and get paid for it...
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go to youtube and type in: ewan and thingy
9 different video clips that sum up C&E's death defying challenge
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go to youtube and type in: ewan and thingy
9 different video clips that sum up C&E's death defying challenge
Seen them.... Brilliant !
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Imitation is the fondest form of flattery

I viewed bits and pieces of the suggested YouTube productions and could not help but laugh. Those who wrote and produced the series of 9 shorts now being presented on YouTube must be Ewan and Charlie's greatest fans.... proving once again that ancient adage "Imitation is the fondest form of flattery."

It brings to mind the shadows the men and women represented here who are more than likely the very people Ewan and Charlie are trying to imitate. They might be doing a better job of imitation than we can now know.

I will reserve further comment on Ewan and Charlie's adventures until the shows are over and I see how it all ends. There might well be a very surprising and endearing ending.

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The best trilogies come in threes...

You can bet if they do ever make a "long way up", it will be the same crew, they'll be riding BMWs, and the format will be pretty much the same... it's a successful entertainment franchise (as others have said) and they will not mess with the format.

If you don't think you'll enjoy it, don't watch it - simple.

Goodness only four pages this time, and already this subject is almost as tedious as the "how much should I get paid for an article" thread...

Toot toot!

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Goodness only four pages this time, and already this subject is almost as tedious as the "how much should I get paid for an article" thread...

Toot toot!

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Hee hee - wrong thread - I think... It can be difficult to tell these days x
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That won't get him much synthetic oil for his BMW (Runs and hides)

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Just wanted to say, I'm not a biker, but I loved Ewan and Charlies shows. I am definately going to get my bike license, once I've got my car license (still on my Learner's). I thought their trip was just fantastic. Sure it wouldn't be the same if you're not a Movie Star, but who cares? They really did not take themselves that seriously either.

I think it maybe seems a lot more "commercial" than it probably actually was. Most of the time it was just 3 guys on bikes, with Claudio filming on a handheld camera. It wasn't like they had a huge film crew and directors following them around everywhere. The cars were mostly just with them at the borders, usually it was just the 3 bikes on their own, and the two cars on their own, on seperate routes.

They had a support crew and fixers and stuff to keep them on time to meet their deadlines. They were making a TV show after all. I am sure they would have done it without the TV show and support crew, and they probably will in the future.

Motorcycle adventuring has been brought into the mainstream by Ewan and Charlie and I think some people are just a bit bitter that they aren't as "cool" or "rebelious" anymore because of it. But there is nothing wrong with being mainstream. If you like it, do it, don't do it just to "be cool". Whatever anyone else says shouldn't actually matter. I'm really enthusiastic about getting into motorbiking now, because of Ewan and Charlie, I don't care if other bikers think that I'm "uncool" because of that.

And the BMW 4x4 on Dakar. The problem was just that the company that was modifying it to get it up to race standards didn't have enough time to complete it. And gave it to them with heaps of things unfinished and unconnected. It wasn't BMW that really had the problem, it was a seperate modifying company called... "Sceptre?" or something like that. They were basically just crap and the guy kept making lots of excuses as to why they were over budget and hadn't met the deadline. BMW comes off really well in all 3 shows I think. Simon was sort of from BMW, he was good, and John the Mechanic that royally saved their butts was from BMW as well I think. And the bikes seemed to do the job well.

The reason they had Nissans (or whatever) on LWD instead of the BMW from the Dakar was probably because of an existing deal with Nissan (or whoever) from LWR where they used the same vehicles. Dakar was a bit of a seperate franchise.

And that's just my little rant.
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It wasn't BMW that really had the problem, it was a seperate modifying company called... "Sceptre?" or something like that
It was Scorpion racing, and they were probably busy with the amount of professional teams who needed their cars modding.

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I believe Simon Pavey runs the BMW off road training centre in South Wales.

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Ive read C+E have done plenty of overland trips on their tods. Ewan went from east to west coast USA on some cruiser with a lighter and ash tray installed. Apparently he "smoked all the way". In the same article he goes on to say that "he likes the idead of LWU, but would probably do it on his own due to busy schedule".
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