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Meh, I like Ewan and Charlie, they seem like good blokes and I like their show too.
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Warning! Rant ahead!

Ok, that's it, I've had enough!

I am a 38 year old guy who has been adventuring all of my life. I have spent hundreds of nights in a tent and sleeping bag, many a night in temperatures way way way below freezing (think Canadian Rockies in the winter) in 10 feet of snow. I've slept on dirt, rocks, sand, concrete, grass, asphalt, ice, in snow caves and under the stars. I set out on a solo backpack trip around the world when I was ten days out of high school. I ski tour, surf, rock climb, mountaineer, windsurf, and paraglide.

But guess what??? Up until two years ago, I hadn't sat on a bike in 23 years. Other than the dirt bike that I caused hell on when I was a teenager, I hadn't been near a bike until I bought my 2009 F800GS. Not exactly the resume of a gnarly biking adventurer. Here's what will really piss off some of you; it's covered from front to back in Touratech stuff.

But guess what else; I don't give a s*** if that offends some of you. You know why? Because I have seen the big picture. When I was 21, I had a bad snowboard accident which put me in hospital for a couple of weeks. While I was recovering from open-heart surgery, they discovered that my kidneys had sh** the bed too. So two years later I was the very fortunate recipient of a brand new (to me) kidney. After 30 or so days in the hospital looking outside at the beautiful snow capped peaks of Vancouver's North Shore, I realized that any day outside of a hospital is a good one. This has been further demonstrated to me now that my wife and I have had to go through 9 years of fertility issues just to start a family. Oh ya, and did I forget to mention the nice sized tumour I had carved out of my neck a couple of years back (benign thankfully).

The fact is, I had been thinking of buying a bike since 1999 when my university buddy and I began dreaming of a ride from East to West across Russia. That never happened but thankfully I picked up a DVD at the checkout one day called Long Way Round. For years I had dreams of getting a bike but guess who pushed me over the edge and got me back out on a bike? None other than Ewan and Charley.

So there you go; I drive a super shiny, Touratech farkled F800GS that cost almost as much as my wife's car. It only has 10,000 km's on it so far. I doubt I've been farther than 500 km's from my front door (we are incredibly fortunate to now have a four year old daughter and so I end up spending a lot more time with her than I do riding my bike). But that doesn't mean I couldn't go further if I chose to. I live for dirt roads and trails. I know for a fact that I could go around the world on my ride and have a hell of a good time doing so. Because of the fact that I've been shown just how bloody lucky some of us are to have the ability to even dream of such a trip I wouldn't take so much as one second to worry about what somebody thought of my GS. I'd just be riding along with a grin as wide as China knowing that I was privileged enough to have the ability to follow my dreams and see the world. I spend a great deal of time thinking about all those people who don't have the good health and fortune to consider a trip around the block on a bike let alone a trip around the world.

I feel I've earned the right to ride whatever the hell kind of bike I want. And I'll put whatever the hell I want on it too, regardless of whether or not that "dilutes" it for the hard core set that have had bikes since the earth was still round. Riding a "Brand X" 250 in nothing but a K-way jacket and a pair of worn out blunnies all the way from Oxford Street to Tunisia is not the only way to learn how to be an adventurer. Life has a way of teaching some of us the hard way... others just have to spend time worrying about how gnarly they are compared to that guy with the shiny new bike he bought after watching Long Way Round.

Ben
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Ok, that's it, I've had enough!


I feel I've earned the right to ride whatever the hell kind of bike I want.
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You have indeed.

No problem with that. The problem starts when some kid starts asking about how you get into this. If you hand him the TT book and tell him to go spend £30000 you are a muppet. If you tell him to get his CG125 into tip top condition and see how far he can get before his student loan runs out, that IMHO is more like it, especially if you help him build a rack to keep the ex-army panniers out of the back wheel. It's years, petrol and tyres that make for easy trips to interesting places, not a shopping trip. That's the problem with E&C and the dress up brigade they've spawned IMHO. If you are doing rather than playing and find the TT stuff works, go for it, but for every one like you we now have 9 stockbrokers who look the same but would get a nose bleed if they had a puncture in Islington and will just keep passing on the catalogue.

It's become very much like the difference between guys who took an ex-army Harley and lightened it and some of the current generation who bought a Dyna-super-extra-chop-glide from a place that called itself a boutique.

If you are a rider not a shopper you shouldn't worry about it.

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Ok, that's it, I've had enough!

I am a 38 year old guy...
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Time to right a book? Sounds like you've had a pretty interesting life Ben.
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Time to right a book? Sounds like you've had a pretty interesting life Ben.
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Maybe take a film crew with you on your next ride to K-Mart or Timboktou too: Get yourself on TV.
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Maybe take a film crew with you on your next ride to K-Mart or Timboktou too: Get yourself on TV.
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Why stop there, he could combine it with a cooking show, like these guys, Hairy Bikers :: Home


Just need the beard and the belly to go with it.
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Why stop there, he could combine it with a cooking show, like these guys, Hairy Bikers :: Home


Just need the beard and the belly to go with it.

I prefer Kirsty and Nigela
No bikes in sight, but no beards or bellies either....

If he's a real troll, he'll be back soon.
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Why stop there, he could combine it with a cooking show, like these guys, Hairy Bikers :: Home


Just need the beard and the belly to go with it.
Interesting you should mention them. I thought the first series they did was OK (I like food porn almost as much as I like motorcycle porn), but from then on they seemed to be playing the characters they had created in that first series.

I personally believe this is inevitable when working for TV; you create a character, and then find yourself playing that character for ever. Sticking with TV in the UK, Gordon Ramsey, Nigella and even Miss(ing) personality herself, Delia have all done it. Even big name presenters like Schama or Starkey start overplaying themselves. So I was unsurprised E&C did it on Long way down, but then they are actors so that's what they do. I don't feel the Mondo enduro/terra circa guys did it though to give credit where it is richly deserved.
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This is me I suppose?
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Ye Gods!

This thread is still going ????
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FWIW - I think Ben is right on, and good for him!

We all started out knowing nothing, and we all learned and moved on in different directions - as far as we're concerned, whatever works for you is cool with us!

Personally I feel sorry for Ewan and Charlie - they've taken a lot of stick for what was for them a big adventure - they had as little idea as ALL of us did when we first hit the road. By the time they'd done two of them, they were probably as sick of the hype and crap as I know I would have been. I have even more sympathy now for them now that we have done our DVD series - I know how hard it is to get a good "take" on video and how many times you have to do it - it sucks and I'd hate it on a trip.

Let's remember to be TOLERANT of each other and appreciate that all of us have something to give and something to learn, and we ALL have different ideas on the "right" way to to do ANYTHING! Actually having said that, I think there is no "right" way - there's only ways that work for whomever is doing it.

Chris, who are you accusing of trolling? It's unclear to me - I don't think anyone here is trolling particularly, just a lot of emotion thrown out! Amazing how E & C are probably THE most emotional topic here. Perhaps a lot of envy?
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For me the Long Way Round was good TV.

I have been riding motorcycles a very long time,and I have met all types of biker's .

The way I see it is................................................ ..........................

It does not matter if you have ridden around the world or if you have only just started riding......... If your a Prat .your a prat, regardless of what bike you choose to ride.

Just because you may have ridden to every corner of the world does not make you a good rider, neither does it give you the right to judge other's who choose to do things differently.

It make's me laugh when I read these type of posts ...too many people full of self importance.



Live and Let Live.

Dazzer {The Prat that Never rode around the world } book and DVD to Follow.

ps, if there are any mistakes with my grammer .....Bite Me.
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This is me I suppose?
Hi Ben
I think an apology is in order. I thought, it would appear wrongly, that such an emotional first post using some IMHO quite emotive language and telling complete strangers some pretty personal stuff was a wind up. The sarcastic responses by me were not helpful.

Speaking personally, I have a very dry wit (some might say no wit…) and very rarely share personal adversities I’ve encountered with anyone and definitely not with strangers. We’re all different which makes the world such an interesting place.

Peace
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No "wind up" and no "taking the piss"; that really is my story.

Was it too much info than was required to make my point? Maybe. But to tell you the truth I don't have any problem who knows about my life experiences. It's not a bragging rights thing and it's certainly not a sympathy thing. I've stood up in the past and told my story to groups of complete strangers in order to raise awareness and money for various charities, so to me what's the difference? All I can hope is that when people read my words, they will not take the day for granted anymore (even if only for a little while). Maybe they'll stop a bit more to enjoy the view or breath a little deeper when out for Spring ride in the sunshine. Right, I'm probably losing you here again. But coming from where I am, I think I view the world outside my helmet in a different way than many if not most.

When you frame the whole "who sticks what on what bike and layer it on top of who gave them idea in the first place" argument into my terms, it all seems a little silly. To me anyway.

I get that peolpe don't want their passion high jacked by some Hollywood actor. And then to add insult to injury, having that same franchise spon a whole gaggle of adventure biker clones in the process. But I honestly feel deep down in my bones that E & C did not set out to do this when they planned LWR. It comes across to me as a couple of blokes following their genuine dream of riding around the world together.

For me, I feel incredibly lucky to have been introduced into this sport/lifestyle choice/activity in the first place. Ewan and Charley made me get off the proverbial couch and get after it. Now that I am on my way and I am hearing about other "more real-life" movies, like Mondo Enduro etc, I can't wait to get them into the DVD. We all have to start somewhere I guess.

So there you go, I guess that's why my "give a sh*t factor" is subterranean when it comes to whether or not someone approves of my bike and the way I have it set up.

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