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We are at war, he was the enemy and was killed within the rules of engagement under which his assailants were operating - big boys games, big boys rules I'm afraid.
Are you in war with Pakistan or Saudi?
Is it within the rules to kill a suspect (and a few others) in a foreign country where you have no right to be?
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Hello people
I've deleted a couple of personally offensive posts. I would like to leave this thread where it is, rather than moving it to the Bar. Pls remember to discuss the issue (or don't read it at all if you don't like it being discussed) and not insult other users because they have different views to you.

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Are you in war with Pakistan or Saudi?
Is it within the rules to kill a suspect (and a few others) in a foreign country where you have no right to be?
Nope, at war with AQ in case you hadn't noticed. OpSec determined that Pakistan should not know about the raid in advance or they never would have got him. Justified, I rekcon. I don't see an Pakistani casualties - do you?

This was an assassination on the sovereign territory of another country wasn't it? IMHO, justified and well executed. Well done ST6.
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Nope, at war with AQ in case you hadn't noticed.
Okay, so you think a war against an organization gives you the possibility to kill suspects and the people around him/her in any country without prior arrangement with the government?

I don't think we share enough basic values to continue this discussion.
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Nope, at war with AQ in case you hadn't noticed. OpSec determined that Pakistan should not know about the raid in advance or they never would have got him. Justified, I rekcon. I don't see an Pakistani casualties - do you?

This was an assassination on the sovereign territory of another country wasn't it? IMHO, justified and well executed. Well done ST6.
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Okay, so you think a war against an organization gives you the possibility to kill suspects and the people around him/her in any country without prior arrangement with the government?

I don't think we share enough basic values to continue this discussion.
I agree regarding the bit about continuing the discussion.

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Could you please take this little sub-discussion off line?

IMHO the main thrust of any disussions on the HUBB should be based around how the events of 1st/2nd May 2011 (depending on what time zone you're in) affect m/c and 4x4 and bicycle travels in different parts of the world and at home.

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Last edited by chris; 5 May 2011 at 11:22. Reason: Clarification on what I agree on ;-) I NEED TO WORK NOW AT THE JOB THAT PAYS MY SALARY!!!!
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More stuff deleted. I asked you to PLEASE take your discussion off line!

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Sorry Chris.

I thought that the thing I wrote was essential to understand how people you meet on the road might look at this incident.

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Sorry Chris.

I thought that the thing I wrote was essential to understand how people you meet on the road might look at this incident.

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Well, it´s become pretty obvious, that Pakistan (or at least some people there with high rankings) knew about bin Laden´s existence in the country. So telling them would´ve clearly jeopardised the whole operation, and also put the strike team in great danger.

Not saying that this was 100% legal, though. But they probably care more about the fact, that they got him, after over 10 years of hunting him down.
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Legal right doesn't mean moral right and neither does moral mean legal.
You have to make your own mind up as to whether the circumstances fit either, all or none.
And you'll have great difficulty persuading anyone with an opposite view to come round to your own way of thinking.
What is morally right is a very personal opinion, so not black and white - the law is much the same when you go in to it.

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There are so many "rights" and so many "wrongs" at so many different levels, it's mind boggling to me.

September 11th was an atrocity beyond words. The annihilation of UBL didn't make me jump up and down. Yet, I'm glad he is gone. It's just a continuous saga of sadness for mankind for a while (...until different shit hits the fan).

I am with the administration of not showing any pictures and getting gory with details. I'd prefer the fuzz being kept to a minimum. Ben Laden does not deserve the press and attention. And, it doesn't make the job of our (any) troops in the region easier
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Well I do not see the killing of this man to make any difference in overlanding. The people that hate me because where I was born still hate me. The ones willing to kill me will still kill me.

We do not know what the USA and Pakistan may have on arrangements. We do know the USA has spent billions to get Pakistan to help it and Pakistan must walk a thin line in helping the USA. I do find it odd that the USA can sent jets and helicopters in to a military city in a nuclear power and it not be known seen or stopped. Let alone sit on the ground for 40 min. and no one stop and see what there doing. Seal team 6 or not you can not hide an operation that big that long.
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Well I do not see the killing of this man to make any difference in overlanding. The people that hate me because where I was born still hate me. The ones willing to kill me will still kill me.

We do not know what the USA and Pakistan may have on arrangements. We do know the USA has spent billions to get Pakistan to help it and Pakistan must walk a thin line in helping the USA. I do find it odd that the USA can sent jets and helicopters in to a military city in a nuclear power and it not be known seen or stopped. Let alone sit on the ground for 40 min. and no one stop and see what there doing. Seal team 6 or not you can not hide an operation that big that long.
You will probably find the aircraft were not able to be detected by radar. It may be that a cover story or distraction of some sort was put out to confuse the Pakistani military as to what was really happening on the ground.
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BBC News - 'Stealth helicopters' used in Bin Laden raid

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