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Hi, this is the marginalized man, the cowboy sittin at the very end of the bar with his hat pulled down low and a report to give. Breaking news regarding the two Austrian hostages taken in the desert of Tunisia, is that the people claiming to have the couple, want to exchange the 2 hostages for a few of their own.

If anybody here can still walk you can go up to: Travellers' Advisories, Safety and Security on the Road, and read the latest reports for yourself. The news agencies report that there is a 3 day deadline for the exchange to take place, knowing the muslim culture as I do, (as a military brat, I graduated high school in Ankara, Turkey), and wandered around a lot, in the middle east deadlines come and go frequently, without any change. But, it is my opinion that the ones who are holding the hostages are not fooling around.

I certainly don't want to get thrown out of here too, so let me put this in a way that everyone can have easily.

Please note the use of the word game has no positive or negative connotation. As it states in the dictionary, a game is played according to the rules, toward a specific goal. That's it.

The point of view of the captors (the ones who took the Austrians) might be that their "brothers" were also taken hostage and being held against their will.

I, personally, doubt the "brothers" in question were just doing the tourist thing in far off lands, and more likely were on some kind of a mission, with a goal, much more important to them, than just having a great road trip.

I may be wrong, but I believe the "brothers" entered the game, knew the rules and decided to play. On the other hand, the Austrian couple's goal was to have a great road trip, they went to Tunisia, a sort of tourist destination, knew those rules and decided to play.

They had little or no interest in playing any other game, beyond having a great road trip.

Apparently, on behalf of the "brothers" the captors decided to change the rules in the middle of the game for the Austrian couple. They have been forced into a game they never wanted to play.

The world has taken note of this event, the true heart and spirit of the "brothers" will be on the stage of public opinion no matter how this game ends.

I know, in my well worn heart, that this game will end soon and the world will rejoice as the Austrians return to their home, with a story to tell the world.

That's it for now, you can't imagine how cold your ears get when you have had your head stuck in beach sand for a night or two. How is it out there in the desert Chris? xfiltrate

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You need to get out more.
The place you live in too safe. I have seen people die from the work they do and one from jogging, had a hart atack and died right on the street, seen a few crashes that killed people.
You can get kidnap but will that fear rule your life? It wont rule mine.
To reduce you chances stay out of places know for it stay out of places where people are mad at your country. Try to get away, if you do get caught try to get on there good side. Most want cash and dont want to kill you, If its political ask about there side of the story say anything to keep them from getting mad at YOU. A little sympathy for there plite will go along way.

As an American I know people hate my government. There are places I cant go because of the trifling and wars a few rich greedy people have made.
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Not so bad...

We are not so different, You and I......

That's the attitude that will get you free. Listen to them, you don't have to agree, but you HAVE to show respect for their beliefs. Besides mafia kidnappings, most are just wanting some attention and financial relief.

If you travel, leave your EGO at home!! Kindness and respect goes a long way. Have no AGENDAS and have a flexible schedule...

What most Gringos don't understand is that you ARE A GUEST and THEY OWN the home. I don't care what you "paid" for or what you think your "rights" are.....

Personally, I have only been held at gunpoint by Maoist "Shining Path" terrorists once, and we parted amicably .... Do I believe in their movement? No. They have killed friends of mine. Is anger and ATTITUDE going to heal the world? NO.

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If you are a trained and experienced *"remote viewer" (*DOD, CIA , etc and Wikipedia plus thousands of other internet references) and you are able to discover any truth about missing travelers in Tunisia, during a remote viewing sessions, do not post that information on:

Travellers' Advisories, Safety and Security on the Road.

Especially if your post is 5 days prior to breaking news of the travelers kidnapping. For example, I posted:

"This info gathered via a remote viewing session. Take it or leave it, but I had to try. I am better than average but certainly not 100% all the time."

"I believe They went caravanning into desert, after Matmata about 150-175 K oases, or further in direction of TOZEUR some reason they are without their own cloths, dressing as locals? Fuel problem of some kind, keeps jamming in. Not absolutely sure about this at all.

My advice immediate contact with Berbers between Matmata and KEBILI, DOUZ or as far as TOZEUR indicated. Contact should be done in a manner conforming to Berber culture and language. Someone should spend some effort here. Wish I was there!"

Yep, I knew that and according to recent reports, it seems to be true.

And especially don't post if you are able to describe anything about the kidnapping with any detail that might turn out to have been true.

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No, let's keep it all quiet, let's pretend they are the bad guys and we are compassionate loving people.

And second, never offer a solution that requires the participation of others that might actually, and this based on well documented similar situations in the past, help the abductors release their victims.

..... xfiltrate
Uhm... forgive me, if this is a really stupid question (or if it had been asked) - but if you ARE confident in your training/experience -- why are you posting on a public newsgroup about something which is so critical?

Would not your best course of action be, getting in touch with police / authorities / at worst, the relatives of the missing people?

Surely with talents such as yours, you have a responsiblity - else why bother making them public at all?
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Uhm... forgive me, if this is a really stupid question (or if it had been asked) - but if you ARE confident in your training/experience -- why are you posting on a public newsgroup about something which is so critical?

Would not your best course of action be, getting in touch with police / authorities / at worst, the relatives of the missing people?

Surely with talents such as yours, you have a responsiblity - else why bother making them public at all?


At least you seem to have been able to understand xfiltrates posts, I think a few of us have been totally confused!
The terrorists seem to have NO problem kidnapping innocent tourists and stopping The Dakar, I bet they could 'Not take out' (Red) Ken Livingstone...Mayor who's screwing London.

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Dear Uhm, no, I do not think your question stupid. Actually, it comes as a relief, and puts words to the feelings , of what I now perceive as the opinions of others posting on: Travellers' Advisories, Safety and Security on the Road.

In my haste to get my results out to family, authorities and people, whom I perceived to be competent people on the ground, like over landers, and perhaps former Peace Corps volunteers residing in Tunisia, my initial post went to my source of the data regarding the "Missing Couple," and that was Grant.

Immediately after I posted on the HUBB, I e-mail various contacts, such as the "bulletin board" for Peace Corps Tunisia, and, rather than send my results, to the police/military I left that to those who actually had com lines open to "authorities."

My goal was to get what I knew to be true out there as quickly as possible, and I made a huge error in judgement. I knew my data would be valid for a few fleeting days at best, the reality is by the time the authorities deployed, my data would be outdated.

It was a desperate attempt, to get the information, I knew to be true to family etc, through Grant, whom has previous knowledge of a real life example of my remote viewing abilities, if he checked me out.

I know my data was relayed to the authorities. At the time I posted, the couple was reported as missing, not abducted and the authorities are much slower to react to missing people.

You are absolutely right, I never should have posted my information on the HUBB, and as you have read and quoted recent posts, I have strongly advised others against posting information, obtained outside of the context of what is known to be the mechanics of the physical universe, on the HUBB.

Short answer, I made a mistake in my haste to get my information out. Thank you for noticing my mistake and pointing it out to me. I promise it will never, never happen again.

My posts made no sense to people who have no knowledge of the day to day contributions of remote viewer worldwide.

Several of the major governments of the world have secrete remote viewing units, for intelligence gathering purposes. Russia, China, the US and several others all have well funded and extensive remote viewing programs and have had for the last 30 or 40 years. I have met personally, a qualified remote viewer, who works and is paid quite well, for combatting industrial espionage in Great Britain. xfiltrate

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Unhappy huh?

Maybe its me but I even tried Google Translator - English to English (hidden option) on the above but it didn't come any more understandable than the original, only more blabla.

I've given up!

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kidnappings problems

ive read this thread and i think i understand some of the points being made...and i must emphasise that i in no way wish to underestimate the potential dangers of being on the road...and perhaps im in danger of becomming blase but i have to be honest its the dangers and the problems that make the trip enjoyable (even if only in retrospect) and the good thing about dangers is that at least there will be something interesting to put on the web site

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Remote viewing when it works is scary. Seen it done know people that can do it they wont talk much about it. Like an out of body experience. Nothing can stop the viewer. Not walls, not electronics nothing but possible a stronger viewer.

Some say its all hocus pocus, government conseracy thing but a hell of a lot funds have been put in to it. Its the deepest darkest hush hush sorta of thing.

As far as dangers and the problems on the road kidnapping rates near the bottom. I think about it but alot less than getting sick and being dehydrated in the desert or hitting a dear that jumps in front of me. Both have happened to me and both had the ability to kill me faster than a kidnapper.
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funny how they won't talk about it

apparently the british government spent money on researching hitlers horoscope! I wouldn't necessarily use that as proof. Care to explain what you saw?
I'm obviously a sceptic, but would love to have something like this proved to me.
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They might not, but I will talk about "it"

Ollie, first, your conclusion that I was trying to prove anything by referring to government funding, of anything, was not and is not my intention.

Here are the basics. Most people see from red to violet on the color scale. All other colors perceived by the naked eye fall some where in between. And of course there is black and white.

The difference between red and violet is the difference between the the distance between the crests of the waves of light for each color.

We know throught the use of scientific "tools" that below red is infra red and above violet is ultra violet, light not commonly perceived by the human eye without the aid of scientific instruments, we can call "tools."

Only when "tools" were developed that could detect infra red and ultra violet were these proven and included in the spectrum of light.

It is only when we develop scientific instruments, "tools" that can detect a soul or spirit, which has no measurable< AS OF THIS WRITING> matter, energy, or space or time, will there be proof of how "remote viewing" works. At least how it works for me, and I am more than well aware that there are other methods of remote viewing currently in play and many trained in these other methods are more accurate than I am.

Here is what I posted:

5 days prior to breaking news of the travelers kidnapping. I posted:

"This info gathered via a remote viewing session. Take it or leave it, but I had to try. I am better than average but certainly not 100% all the time."

"I believe They went caravanning into desert, after Matmata about 150-175 K oases, or further in direction of TOZEUR some reason they are without their own cloths, dressing as locals? Fuel problem of some kind, keeps jamming in. Not absolutely sure about this at all.

My advice immediate contact with Berbers between Matmata and KEBILI, DOUZ or as far as TOZEUR indicated. Contact should be done in a manner conforming to Berber culture and language. Someone should spend some effort here. Wish I was there!"

Yep, I knew that and according to recent reports, it seems to be true.

(the one week ago post dates on the thread are not accurate, as anyone who read the posts in real time knows)

This is what I perceived via a remote viewing session and it was posted on the HUBB 5 full days before the news of a kidnapping. Based on current media reports, their direction of travel and the route they were on appears to have been correct.

As much as you would love to have remote viewing proved to you, from my point of view, you will have to wait until science can measure, detect and accurately define the soul or spirit of man/woman. Once that is achieved and it will also be proven that the soul or the spirit has perceptual abilities that can expand the perceptual abilities of a human body and mind.

This is my own personal opinion. Others utilizing remote viewing for increasing their own perceptual abilities might not agree with me. Some might, but most probably not. There are many points of view on remote viewing.

I have the ability of perception beyond what is explainable in terms of the mechanics of the physical universe. I have no need whatsoever to prove these abilities to you or anyone else, but to use these abilities to help humanity survive. And, I want to learn, to know, when and how to share my perceptions with others, in an acceptable manner, that is, I do not want to create effects in others that they cannot have easily. I apologize if I have created any effects in you that you did not have easily, or I have offended you in any way. That was never my intention.

Hey DLbiten, I am quickly becoming a fan of yours, please let's hear more. thanks xfiltrate

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I cant prove it to you but you know that feeling when your riding down a twisty road and you dont make a mistake? Like the bike was finding its own way down and your gust along for the ride? When have that feeling like you need get out of the place your in? None of that can be quantified its all a feeling some say its your soul or spirit reaching out to you.

Your spirit know whats on the road its been there. If you can feel what the spirit "sees" you get the chance interpret that. Step that up a bunch and you have an out of body experience. Where your along for the ride, but the spirit still gose whew ever it wants. With practice you can get the spirit go to places you want as in remote viewing. Problems are your unconscious mind dose the seeing for you it dosnt get things right all the time and I think it has a sense of humor you conscience mind dose not get. The spirit will go where ever it wants to getting it to want to go some place is poor at best. You spirit is tied to you with a "silver string" the same string written about in books and songs from the Bible to rock.

But to prove all this no way. You will need to experance it.

I dont do it any more. Its hard work to keep up you skills and the info you get is a burden at times, some times wrong, some times sick and scary.

xfiltrate can get his spirit to want to go some place and let it out of his body for a time.
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Interesting

Great - I love talking about all of this, usually over a or three at the bar. Well I'm in a bar, but they won't let me drink with my breakfast at work

Now, obviously from my previous posts I'm a sceptic, but a sceptic with an interest, and there’s a difference.


So, what I believe you are describing is the equivalent of being 'in the zone', where the conscious mind, lets the far superior sub-conscious take over. I get this much more playing sport. Not just fast moving sports, but sometimes also things such as swimming or running (I'm not fast at either). Friends of mine who rock climb say the same thing. More specifically I get it playing squash, cricket or even rugby, and it's the greatest feeling on earth, and I think that’s why some people play sports. Interestinly I have read of epileptics getting something similar before a seizure.

I have also heard it linked to things like Zen archery and tea making, which is also intriguing. But none of this I think is anything out of the ordinary. I am currently reading Born on a Blue Day, regarding a unique individual with autism. This shows us what a human mind can do, when some of the 'shackles' are thrown off. Well worth a read for anyone who's interested. Also, for a thouroughly scientific exploration try reading 'the Man who mistook his wife for a Hat'
I suppose perhaps where our view points may coalesce is perhaps remote viewing is something you believe could be an extrapolation of this?
And that would make me happy, but ........
..... the question I would suggest is why can’t we have proof? Without being able to prove it, it means nothing? Surely we could ask xfiltrate (or another viewer) to come into, say, my house and tell me I am watching Eastenders? (He’d be wrong!). Otherwise what use is all of this to people like the military?
Please don’t get me wrong, I believe we haven’t explored a minute part of what the brain can do, and there is plenty for science to learn. But if you can’t prove any of this, surely it’s all just fantasy?
Personally I would like remote viewing to be possible, but I don’t think an argument of ‘The military are exploring it’ and ‘you can’t prove it’, is going to win over many people. I want proof – goddamit!
And a ……
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Statistically you stand more chance of setting foot on the south pole then being kidnapped while being away form home.

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B*gger i have been there (well close enough anyway) twice .. so does this mean i am a target?? I shoudl stay home???
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Basic problem and an idea

No problem buying you a , or even nudging others to do the same. I predict you will be swimming in soon. lol

The basic problem is remote viewing, my definition, has aspects that cannot yet be measured, and certain measurements would be required to present as facts for peer evaluation (other scientist to duplicate) and as required for the inclusion in scientific journal articles. This is the route for something to be proven.

Many remote viewers started their quest for enlightenment as scientologists. Scientologists are not asked nor required to believe anything that is not absolutely true and proven by their own experience. This threatens many governments and many have gone to great effort to stop the scientologists, primarily because a key teaching is the importance of ethics in all aspects of life and this includes in governments. This insistence and the "putting in" of ethics in governments of the world is very disturbing to leaders of governments in general.

If you want to know what eithics are being put in by the scientologists, please refer to the official scientologist web site and check definitions.

OK, getting your ethics in via scientology or finding out about ethics and putting them in on yourself, by yourself, doing, or getting training in remote viewing by remote viewers, and by abiding by their protocol, will enable you to prove to yourself that remote viewing works or not .

It is a lot of work. Just getting my ethics in took me 30 years. I am a good person, but had no concept of ethics as required to enable myself to "remote view." You see, we, people are basically good and we withhold from ourselves our abilities for fear we will harm others. It is only when we gain the certainty that availing ourselves of our abilities will not hurt others, but help others survive, that we allow ourselves to have those abilities, like what is commonly called - remote viewing.

For me it is a lot of work. Each session, for me, requires half a day, at least, I have to be well rested, alcohol/any drug free comfortable and not hungry. I have to be there comfortably, sometimes for hours before I even exteriorize. Once exterior, as DLbiten said it is a bit scary and I have encountered others, also exteriorized. No harm has ever come to me, except becoming very depressed for short periods of time upon seeing things that upset me greatly.

Part of the training is to enable one to have facility up and down all the emotions and have the ability to put oneself in the appropriate emotion based upon accurate perceptions of others and the environment.

OK it is a lot of work. I suggest you get on with it. No one, is going to give you anything, you have to do the work.

Please do not launch into an attack on scientology here. I am merely stating the fact that many, including those who established the remote viewing programs of the militaries of the world, were or are scientologists. That is all! I do not put here at all, my opinion of scientology or of any other religion or philosophy. xfiltrate

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