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I can see a market here for The rambler friendly trail rider suit, come on, to show the ramblers your support, the suit will be lime green with a Big Yellow stripe up the back.

I think an offroad day should be arranged for trailriders and 4x4's on that lane next summer, thats if the disposed residents from Dale farm have not turned it into a caravan site by then, that would really give them something to moan about.
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Here are a two paragraph I have highlighted from a email sent to the BBC.

To Me this say's it all, and once again show's how selfish some people are.



At some point you could have pointed out that according to the OS map there are at least 17 footpaths in the Great Longstone parish, yet only one unsurfaced unclassified county road. Could your reporter not at least have asked the activists what the problem was with using these paths and why they chose to use a road instead?

I also note that Cherpit Lane starts and ends on tarmac roads with no footpaths that are no wider than it is, yet carry more traffic travelling at higher speeds. Isn’t there more danger there? And, don’t the cars (and even 4x4s) which tow caravans to the site at Dale Farm on the lane pose as big a threat to other users as those vehicles which are using it for other purposes?
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Does this mean that you wont be putting your name down for one of our Bunkhouse Trail riding meetings
What ever gave you that idea ? :-)

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I love the last Line... "For the sake of the environment, just make the national parks "zero emission zones". !!!!
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You cant park anywhere in the yorkshire Dales NP in the summer because all the Enviroment friendly Ramblers pack the place with their cars..Drive 20/30/40 miles to park up and walk 5 miles and then moan about any other group useing the NP...Hypocrites....

I have been working and riding Yorkshire Dales area for 30 years, and I can say that the most complaints come from Townies , {Outsiders that have moved into the NP.} they even complain about Farmers getting Muck on the roads and Cows making a Noise...the Locals tell them ...If You Dont Like it F--k Off Back to the Town you came from.

I say...Live and Let live... when Leigh and I go walking, were smart enough to walk on FOOTPATHS there easy to find as they are over 140.000 miles of them , and we never have to come in contact with 4x4 or motorcycles.

When I go trail riding I only ride on Legal Trails.. {nick name Green Lanes }... so why is it that a walker thinks he or she as the right to stand in front of us to block our way ? If you try to do that on your High street. I should think that the police would take you away .


Dazzer.... Trail Rider.
Ok, in all seriousness, there is room for everyone. But more consideration is needed. Yes, they are byways and highways. But it does churn up the surface and make a mess.

Being on a FP does not guarantee not meeting powered vehicles. Nor does it mean you will not come across the result of them.

The "townies" are the ones who got the access opened, by "walking" onto the land.

I agree, walkers should not stand in front of vehicles, but vehicles should also give as wide a berth as possible.

I don't doubt that there are a lot of responsible riders here, and the NP are doing a good job to sort things out.

But when the green lanes get as cut up as they do, it becomes an issue.

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What ever gave you that idea ? :-)



Being on a FP does not guarantee not meeting powered vehicles. Nor does it mean you will not come across the result of them.


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If you meet a vehicle on a footpath they driver/rider is breaking the law obviously. That has no relevance to this argument.
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will someone PLEASE take that F--king Whistle off Joyce...



Just watched the film on iPlayer. Question: Are any of the antis under the age of 65? They're retired and have nothing else to do but spend all their day with the sole purpose of hate. When they've finished with the bikers/cars, they'll start on each other.

Suggestion: If the bikers/drivers stay away for a month, in this time the geriatrics will all have done each other over. When they are gone, legal motorists/vehicles riding legal roads can return unmolested.



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Do walkers never wonder how chewed up drove roads got when herds of cattle were wandering up and down in pre-moterised times?

Push your 'boat' out...risk getting your boots dirty...or simply walk down a path rather than a ROAD

What a selfish bunch we all are these days
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Do walkers never wonder how chewed up drove roads got when herds of cattle were wandering up and down in pre-moterised times?

Push your 'boat' out...risk getting your boots dirty...or simply walk down a path rather than a ROAD

What a selfish bunch we all are these days
Cow power OK, horse power however, now that is the cause of this modern problem. Ride safe.
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Cow power OK, horse power however, now that is the cause of this modern problem. Ride safe.
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What´s it like to be so self righteous? Pretty cool, especially here in Chile where I am at present riding on big boy´s dirt roads and offending no-one. Ride safe.

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Cow power OK, horse power however, now that is the cause of this modern problem. Ride safe.
So it's ok for you to ride your (I assume) legal horse powered motor vehicle legally on a Chilean dirt road, but legal riders of legal vehicles on legal roads in England and Wales can go and fcuk themselves?

Seeing your profile says you're from St Andrews it doesn't surprise me that Scotland has already had it's green lanes closed if the potentially detrimentally affected inhabitants are in favour of having their passtime taken away by a bunch of miserable nimbys who need to walk on a dirt road (road = vehicles) so as not to get their boots so muddy as on a footpath (foot = walking boots).

There are plenty (98% of unpaved tracks) in the UK available for walkers to walk on (called footpaths and bridleways). Why do they need to walk on the remaining 2% that are legal roads? Maybe they are too stupid/blind to be able to follow a thin footpath line on a map and have to follow a thicker line signifying a road. Why don't they just go for a stroll round the M25 or up the M1: A lot less mud and services every 20 miles.
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Perhaps someone could start a pressure group to get all green lanes paved, the same as they seem to do to overused footpaths.
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Perhaps someone could start a pressure group to get all green lanes paved, the same as they seem to do to overused footpaths.
Your spot on
when I was a Kid we used to walk the 3 peaks

Now a lot of it has been paved..and why ........Because the 1000's of walkers had caused so much erosion and the paths had become as wide as a main road in places that the YDNP had to spend a fourtune to put it right.
Now.... while these footpaths were under repair the NP laid pallets covered in mesh so the walkers could still gain access to the area.

Now a green lane may only have 100 yards of damaged but the NP can put a TRO on it and close it....

I'm not smart enough to work that one out...Because to me that seems Unfair
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Could be the last remnants of prejudice against noisy, smelly, antisocial bikers (and their bikes)?
When I was young and daft I enjoyed going to many race meetings, in Scarborough you couldn't get on a campsite, served in most pubs or cafes being a biker and yet now they have "Bike weak" it almost makes me laugh. The racing's not as good or as well attended.
Don't know what the hell I'm getting at but it makes me think.....
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There is no way I'm argueing against the rights of 'trail riders' to use the legal trails, BUT as with the sportsbikes on the road there are a lot of enduro riders who take the view that trails/green lanes are their own private race track. Unfortunately, as others have said, the UK is densely populated and there are limited places where you can 'let rip'.

The problem is internal, yes I'm well aware there are a lot of illegal users on mini motos and the like, but at the same time there are a lot of inconsiderate stunt jockeys who really should save it for races.

I don't know what the answer is but for me trail riding is all about the exploration and challenge of new trails - not about ploughing a furrow up the same track as I did last weekend.
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Your spot on
when I was a Kid we used to walk the 3 peaks

Now a lot of it has been paved..and why ........Because the 1000's of walkers had caused so much erosion and the paths had become as wide as a main road in places that the YDNP had to spend a fourtune to put it right.
Now.... while these footpaths were under repair the NP laid pallets covered in mesh so the walkers could still gain access to the area.

Now a green lane may only have 100 yards of damaged but the NP can put a TRO on it and close it...

I'm not smart enough to work that one out...Because to me that seems Unfair
For this, it is as well to understand about the local politics that come to bear, the lobbying and such that happens within local councils. I touched on this with my earlier post. Basically, there is a limited pot of money to maintain all minor projects such as BOATs, Bridleways and footpaths, so the money will tend to go to those who shout the loudest and with the biggest number of members (the Ramblers Association is enormous compared with the TRF for example). When NPs come into play, it gets more complicated. There are even more political considerations which were touched upon in that documentary, but were not explored in any detail.


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There is no way I'm argueing against the rights of 'trail riders' to use the legal trails, BUT as with the sportsbikes on the road there are a lot of enduro riders who take the view that trails/green lanes are their own private race track. Unfortunately, as others have said, the UK is densely populated and there are limited places where you can 'let rip'.

The problem is internal, yes I'm well aware there are a lot of illegal users on mini motos and the like, but at the same time there are a lot of inconsiderate stunt jockeys who really should save it for races.

I don't know what the answer is but for me trail riding is all about the exploration and challenge of new trails - not about ploughing a furrow up the same track as I did last weekend.
I understand that some local branches of the TRF are cooperating with police forces to report illegal riders. This could lead to problems for individuals of course! Some branches of the TRF make an effort to assist in repairing bits of BOATs that are worn. These are but 2 examples of practical efforts to deal with the complainers. I have yet to hear of the Ramblers Association taking similar initiatives.
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