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To all those on a CBT wishing to go further; recent info.

It may be that due to training for a new career I may not be able to travel on my motorcycle as much as I would have liked this year, but during my search for info on how a 125cc'er could travel over seas on a CBT I found some useful information.

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the lady in charge of the CBT course says that to ride in Europe on this licence it is at that countries discretion. You should contact the relevant embassy and ask there.

For Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos no CBT is needed just insurance. Rent is cheap and the trails look sweet.

For Morocco I had two replies from two rental agencies; one saying I did need a permit and one saying I didnt for a 125. Personally I trust the first as he seemed to know what he was on about, this is Peter at Bikershome. The other company took ages to get back to me and offered a poor response to my email.

I wrote this out because I was tired with the lack of info on my CBT. It does not even say what the limitations are on the certificate! As for getting a big bike licence; maybe when they finally decide what bloody test their running I will do.

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A little extra bit to throw into the mix. If you're like me and riding a 125cc (Category A1) bike AND you have had a full European-style category B car licence for more than two years, then many of the European countries will let you ride a 125cc bike on their roads. This is because of an EU directive which states that member states CAN (but don't have to) allow a reciprocal arrangement to be made whereby their rules on what you can and canot drive/ride can be applied to your driver's licence.

It seems that Great Britain is actually one of the few EC member states that gets all picky about this. France for instance allows anyone with a full car licence issued before Jan 2007 to ride a 125cc with no extra training, certificates etc., and I believe the same applies for Spain, Italy, Greece Portugal (which explains all those scooter hire places) and the Benelux countries too. Not certain about the nordic states though.
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As for getting a big bike licence; maybe when they finally decide what bloody test their running I will do.
Do it now. There are more changes coming that is going to kill the rider training industry.
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Learners To Lose Right To Ride Alone?

The Motorcycle Industry Association has announced that there are plans afoot to scrap learner motorcyclists’ rights to ride alone.

The Association said that it expects the Government to reveal plans later this month in conjunction with proposals for Europe-wide laws that are aimed at making it more difficult to gain a motorcycle licence from 2013.

If their suspicions are proved correct, it would prevent thousands of learners from using their regular daily form of transport and will mean that learners will only be allowed to ride while accompanied by an instructor.

The planned legislation will also change the minimum age for Direct access to 24 and stagger power limits for four years, with two at 15bhp and 125cc, and two at 47bhp.
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The planned legislation will also change the minimum age for Direct access to 24 and stagger power limits for four years, with two at 15bhp and 125cc, and two at 47bhp.
I work for a rider training school. The information that is being fed back to us is that this part is definitely happening but in 2011, not 2013. However, if you are under 21, do your test now on a 125cc to get a 33bhp restricted licence and after 2 years, you are unrestricted.

The media have picked up on a few isolated incidents, all of which occurred in the wet, regarding the new hazard avoidance part of the test. I guarantee that some training schools will shut up shop before this year is out because the customer are just not coming through the door. We may be able to survive this year but not if 2010 is the same. The test itself really isn't that bad and the DSA is not going to back down so you're just going to have to do it.

If the rest of this planned legislation goes ahead, the 50cc scooter market is effectively dead and I'd love to know if the Spanish and Italians are signing up for the same legislation because I doubt it.
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From what I've read (and it only seems to be in the UK press) it seems to be that those with L-plates are somehow to be denied the right to ride alone. Here in France anyone with a Brevet de Securité Routière (which is part of the school curriculum - how good is that?) can ride a 50cc from 14 years of age and anyone with a car-licence can ride up to a 125cc. No-one needs L-Plates.

There's been nothing in the press over here about this, and given the higher proportion of bikers in France than the UK and given that almost every rural 14 year old gets a moped/scooter, there's going to be a HUGE uproar if this goes ahead.

I'm wondering if it's either a) some stupid nanny-state thing from the Brits, or b) some terrible mis-reporting.

EDIT: just had a look at the Motorcycle Industry Association webpage HERE, and there's nothing at all about this, which is odd given that many of the other reports say this has come from the MCIA.
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