Patrick, thanks for the info,
I read about a bloke who had Givi panniers and at his first fall they started to leak water
(when it rained) and then he had another buster and then he could not get them to close again, however I do like them and they fit alot in them and as the saying goes one swallow does not make a summer, I may keep them a while, I also have a Triumph Bonny and thought I would put them on that. Some more thinking is needed, I notice you bash plate how is that made and fixed, does it work ? My first trip on the Strom will be out to Ayre's Rock about 3000k from where I am, this will be in Aug. Then we are doing a training run to Bamaga, lots of sand, mud, creeks & corrugations. Next Oct we fly the bikes to London and ride to Cape Town (East Side) and then ship them off to Sth America.
I know you have ridden alot in the desert over there so you may have some advice
re-bash plates etc.