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jimosse 30 Sep 2012 12:29

What if your vehicle registration expires while on the road?
 
One way to get my trip started is with a 3 month German export plate. The dealer says they cant give it to me for more than that time, which i'm still trying to get for longer time (1 year)

So what happens at the borders of Kenya and all countries south if my registration is expired? But my carnet is good for the year? They scrutinize the VIN and my guess is they will scrutinize the registration dates, and who knows what would happen.

It is tough gettign it registered in my home country (USA) from Italy.

roamingyak.org 30 Sep 2012 16:29

You mean the sticker or whatever saying you have paid road tax for 2012, or the actual document of the bike?

TravellingStrom 30 Sep 2012 23:44

If your bike registration runs out, your carnet will be invalid. You will need to pay the registration in the home country, or get someone to pay it for you.

Can you not do it online with an Bpay system? We can in Osz, mine will run out december, so I will just use Bpay

Cheers from China
TravellingStrom

Warin 30 Sep 2012 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by TravellingStrom (Post 394541)
Can you not do it online with an Bpay system? We can in Oz, mine will run out december, so I will just use Bpay

That depends on what state of Oz your bike is registered in. In some states they want an inspection. When I enquired in NSW they said if I got some form of inspection done locally (say in Greece) they would accept that under the circumstances.


jimosse - talk/write to the officials who do the rego there - you may find they are flexible or have some system in place to handle your situation. The dealer won't know about it as they have never done it!

priffe 1 Oct 2012 11:53

You get export plates with the red margin, where it is clearly stated how long they are valid.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...YbA2YwOpoMBUsh
I don't think the Germans will negotiate any, time is fixed. Insurance included.
I don't see how a carnet could be issued?
Or who would sell insurance for a vehicle with temporary registration any longer then the registration is valid?

roamingyak.org 1 Oct 2012 23:31

You don't make it clear what country you and your vehicle/bike are from????

If your just worried about something on a license plate, then just get a local set of license plates made up in Africa with your number on it. Done.

misterpaul 2 Oct 2012 03:49

My experience of 2 years driving in Africa and crossing borders was that no-one was interested in my vehicle registration, only the carnet. I don't think the vehicle registration got checked even once.

mark manley 2 Oct 2012 08:28

For some people travelling for more than 12 months it is not possible, I am thinking of Brits with vehicles over 3 years old who need an mot test to renew their road tax, registration to others. The simple answer is you can't, just carry on and don't mention it to issuers of carnets, police or customs officers and it is unlikely they will find out and cause a problem.

todo 3 Oct 2012 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimosse (Post 394467)
One way to get my trip started is with a 3 month German export plate. The dealer says they cant give it to me for more than that time, which i'm still trying to get for longer time (1 year)

the maximum period for a german export number plate would be one year.
but, you need to pay the german roadtax for all the time your number plate is issued,
and the vehicle must have valid tüv documents ( vehicle check ) for the requested time.
also the insurance is quite costly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimosse (Post 394467)
So what happens at the borders of Kenya and all countries south if my registration is expired? But my carnet is good for the year?

nothing.
the date shown on the number plate is the latest your vehicle has to be exported from germany, thats all.

as long as your carnet is valid, and you have insurance ( if the original insurance period is finished
you buy new insurance anywhere you need it in africa )
nobody will bother about the number plates.

it is definitly not true, that your carnet becomes invalid
after the number plates are expired!

be aware that the adac has a extra fee for issuing a carnet
with export number plates.

todo

TravellingStrom 3 Oct 2012 15:42

If your registration for that vehicle is expired, it is no longer registered with the motoring club that you are a member of.

This means when you try to redeem your carnet at the end of the tirp, you will get nix

It may not effect you while travelling but sure as eggs, it will effect you on your return, read the fine print on the carnet

todo 3 Oct 2012 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by TravellingStrom (Post 394864)
If your registration for that vehicle is expired, it is no longer registered with the motoring club that you are a member of.

This means when you try to redeem your carnet at the end of the tirp, you will get nix

It may not effect you while travelling but sure as eggs, it will effect you on your return, read the fine print on the carnet

i am fully aware of the fine print as i have had more than 20 carnets with export number plates.

there is no problem to redeem the carnet as long as you have all documentation.
if somebody goes with export number plates i assume he intends
to sell the vehicle, so you need to proof that import tax is cleared
then you get your deposit back.
who cares about a registration as the vehicle is exported ?

in case you want to extend/renew your carnet with
national number plates it is true that normaly you
need a valid registration, but:

the " fine print " says, you need a copy of the registration document to renew the carnet.
so you copy it before you deregister the vehicle and use the old copy,
that works to renew the carnet.

plenty people who deregister their vehicles would otherwise have this problem to renew the carnet.
in fact it works like that with adac without any questions.

todo

todo 3 Oct 2012 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by TravellingStrom (Post 394541)
If your bike registration runs out, your carnet will be invalid. You will need to pay the registration in the home country, or get someone to pay it for you.

as we are talking about export number plates, there is no easy way to renew the registration.

if a vehicle with old export number plates for whatever reason has not been exported all, to renew them, you need a paper from the german customs.
for this they need to see the vehicle. after this you need to drive to the registration office for them to inspect the vin again.

todo

TravellingStrom 4 Oct 2012 02:17

Ahh, OK, I may be barking up the wrong tree here, 'export' plates as compared to normal 'rego' plates, I missed that in the OP

misterpaul 4 Oct 2012 08:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by TravellingStrom (Post 394864)
If your registration for that vehicle is expired, it is no longer registered with the motoring club that you are a member of.

This means when you try to redeem your carnet at the end of the tirp, you will get nix

It may not effect you while travelling but sure as eggs, it will effect you on your return, read the fine print on the carnet

In my experience this isn't true. I got my carnet deposit back when my NSW rego was almost 1 year expired. For sure you need valid rego to get the carnet, but after that I really don't think anyone cares.

There was also this thread on this subject a while back:

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...stration-58293

mark manley 4 Oct 2012 09:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by TravellingStrom (Post 394864)
If your registration for that vehicle is expired, it is no longer registered with the motoring club that you are a member of.

This means when you try to redeem your carnet at the end of the tirp, you will get nix

It may not effect you while travelling but sure as eggs, it will effect you on your return, read the fine print on the carnet

This might be the case in Australia but in the UK registration or road fund tax as we call it has no connection to your motoring club, I have never been asked about this and don't know that any Brit ever has. It does say that vehicles should be legal in country of origin but in practice all they want to see is that it is stamped out of every country it was stamped into.


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