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c0_re 10 Feb 2002 08:14

Non-Pershable foods for overlanders?
 
What type of luck have you guys had with MRE's and other non-perisable foods for off road motorcycle trips.

Whats your favorite N\P food cooked and uncooked?

fireboomer 10 Feb 2002 17:19

Why use N/P food? Enjoy the local delights. Although I don't know were you are going

I used to pack in all my food too and I still do when I go mountaineering. But when riding around on a bike, I'll buy local food. It's cheaper and there are some delightfull things to discover!
An other plus is that you safe weight and volume.
I do take some powerbars with me as emergency ratio's.

c0_re 12 Feb 2002 22:52

Normally I would agree whol heartedly but I plan on goin up into the far Canadian North and most of the places I'll end up at won't have any roads much less places to eat. If I'm lucky I'll be able to catch some fish and eat those.

So far I have

Ramen noodles
Oat Meal
Beef Jerky
Dried fruit and nuts

Those sound the most appealing to me any other idea's for a tasty treat would be great!

pierresas 13 Feb 2002 15:44

Cans of tuna
Hard-boiled eggs
Couscous
Carrots
Bananas
Concentrated milk (in tube)

Mix cans of corn, string beans and tuna. Add some tomatoes (not really N/P but it will do for the first couple of days) and hard-boiled eggs: you have a Salade Nicoise.

Cook some 5-minute rice with a can a tuna, a small can of green peas and a little bit of tomato paste (in tube too): you have a paella.

And the best... gather some wood, light up a fire, open a can of small appetizer sausages and a can of black beans, push the cans near the fire using the pliers of your Leatherman Tool (or alternatively your tire irons), heat until it boils, mix... and you're up for a real Marlboro dinner! Yummy!


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Susan Johnson 14 Feb 2002 03:21

Sounds like someone knows how to cook! Well done, Pierre.

For snacks, we like to carry the small gouda cheese in individual packages - called 'Baby Bel'.

Soup mixes with dehydrated vegetables make a good starter for soups, stews, etc. Just add fresh vegetables and whatever meat or fish you have.

Also, slightly bulky but worth the weight is peanut butter, since you can often find either bread or crackers and that way you get your protein.

For sheer extravagance, if you're going through either Vancouver or Calgary or Edmonton on your way north, stop at Mountain Equipment Co-op for a great selection of MRE's including desserts.

Have fun and good eating. http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Susan Johnson
Share the Dream!
at: www.HorizonsUnlimited.com

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c0_re 15 Feb 2002 00:08

Hey thanks alot pierresas and Susan, some great idea's!


Now what are your guys's thought about water in the great Northwest(Canadian)?


Susan Johnson 15 Feb 2002 01:32

Not really safe to drink water from streams, even though it looks fine. There is a risk of giardia and bacteria or viruses, so water should be purified.

REI (Seattle) has a good selection of water purifiers - see the link below:
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/tri...ravelEquipment

Search on 'water purifiers', Click on a product and then on 'Comparison Chart' to get a comparison of the products.

If you don't want to buy online, at least you'll know what to look for when you go to a camping equipment store.

Susan

pierresas 15 Feb 2002 05:08

re:Water filters...

I looked around last year for a filter for drinking water only, not for cooking, and concluded that ExStream was the best for me: very light, very simple, and no maintenance. You fill it up and sip through the hose, like a straw. It doesn't work very well if you need to cook because pressing the bottle to process 1/2 liter or 1 liter is a chore.

The solution for my next trip (where I won't have any water source for up to 3 days) will be to have a 20 liters jerrican containing unfiltered water, the ExStream for drinking water and a second filter (I don't recall which one but REI certainly carry it) for processing larger quantities of water (cooking + camel back)

We almost always have to carry a plastic bottle anyhow for drinking water, so why not making it one that purifies water too? The additional weight is almost negligible.
http://www.exstreamwater.com/


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c0_re 15 Feb 2002 05:34

Is a chemical treatment(iodine\chlorine) water purifier necessary for Canadian streams ect, or can I get away with just some of basic filtration system?

Do iodine\chlorine water filters make water taste like crap?

thanks again

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Susan Johnson 15 Feb 2002 10:26

Some very good information on the Mountain Equipment Co-op site, and also the REI site.
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http://www.rei.com/reihtml/LEARN_SHA...atertreatf.jsp


Here's the bottom line:

"To fully disinfect suspect water using a water filter, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends 1) mechanically filtering the water, 2) treating it with a halogen (chlorine or an iodine solution), 3) letting it sit 15 to 60 minutes, 4) then drinking.

Per REI, "A water 'filter' removes bacteria (e.g., Campylobacter jejuni) and protozoan cysts (Giardia lamblia, cryptosporidium) from contaminated water.

A water 'purifier' removes bacteria, protozoan cysts AND viruses (infinitesimal organisms too tiny to be trapped by a filter, e.g., hepatitis A) from contaminated water.

Devices identified as "purifiers" usually cause water to interact with iodine (often in the form of iodine resins), which can render viruses inactive.

Another purifier uses a positive electrostatic charge in its filter medium to capture viruses."

So the good news is that there is a non-chemical alternative - the First Need Deluxe Water Purifier: "The Deluxe is the only non-chemical water purifier certified to EPA Guide Standard for microbiological purifiers against bacteria, cysts and viruses. It also removes unpleasant tastes and certain chemicals."

Susan

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c0_re 15 Feb 2002 17:23

WOW! Susan that was great read thanks alot for the info, it was EXACTLY what I was looking for. thanks again everyone!

Sean Kelly 8 Mar 2002 14:59

Hi Susan

I was just debating whether we would need a water filter/purifier for our trip UK to Aus. We will be spending some time out in the sticks in India, Nepal and Thailand en route.

Or is bottled water 'generally' available in enough places to make carrying supplies practical?

In fact do most overlanders carry a filter as a matter of course, or only those going to really remote places?

Cheers

Sean

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Sean

nick_horley 8 Mar 2002 17:22

Here's a simple British solution - the Aqua Pure Traveller. www.aquapuretraveller.com An ordinary looking 500 ml water bottle that filters as you drink. Laimed to deal with dodgy water the world over. When they bring you a drink with ice in it in India or wherever, decant the whole lot into the bottle. It should keep the locals amused.

Susan Johnson 9 Mar 2002 01:08

Sean

Yes, you should always carry some filter / purifier with you. Bottled water may not be available when you need it, and it isn't always safe either. When we were in Nairobi, the local news had a story to the effect that all but 2 of the 50 or so brands of bottled water being sold were just ordinary Nairobi tap water!

Nick, the AquaPure filter looks good, and is comparable in price to the US products, so that's a good alternative for travellers based in the UK.

Here's a picture so you can see the concept:
http://www.aquapuretraveller.com/Com...PTi_192pix.gif

The only two things I notice as possible negatives in the AquaPure filter are:

1. You are supposed to wait for up to 15 minutes before drinking, to let the 'iodinising sleeve' do its work.

2. It does use iodine, but then so do the similar products from REI. If someone really objects to chemical treatments or the taste of iodine, the First Need Deluxe Water Purifier seems to be it, but it is a little more bulky than just a bottle, does require pumping, and also it's US$86.00.

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Susan

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Sean Kelly 9 Mar 2002 16:36

Hi

Thanks for the info and I'll certainly have a good look at the Aquapure.

UK and European offices for First Need products can be found at www.generalecologyeurope.com.

ActiveTraveller are asking £100 for a SIGG First Need purifier!!!!!

Cheers

Sean



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