Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > Southern Asia

Southern Asia Topics specific to Southern Asia, from Iran and Armenia east through Pakistan and India to China / Vietnam / Indonesia.
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

Motorcycle travel in Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan, India...

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 18 Oct 2005
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: London
Posts: 25
Leaving car in India

I plan on leaving my vehicle somewhere in India (on its carnet) whilst we travel to NZ for Xmas 2006, then returning to export it. Does anyone know if there are likely to be problems with this - i.e. vehicle also written into your passport?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 18 Oct 2005
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Suffolk, England
Posts: 109
Several years ago I left my motorcycle in India while I flew to Nepal to get a new visa. I tried to find out about leaving it with Indian customs - the paperwork was horrendous and even when I sorted it out they wanted ridiculous storage charges. In the end I chanced it and left the bike with a friend- the entry in my passport wasn't noticed and I got away with it. However, if they had seen it - I dread to think. After that I left the bike in Nepal and Pakistan. Since Nepal doesn't subscribe to the Carnet system (although they still use them!) I wasn't too worried and they didn't put the details in the passport. As you have probably found out already, Indian bureaucracy is a nightmare so whatever you decide on it will not be worry/hassle free. Good luck.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 18 Oct 2005
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Nantes, France
Posts: 397
The chances are that you will get through customs okay without anyone noticing. Customs is a different check to passports, and generally no one cares too much about people leaving.

Having said that, do you really want to risk it?

The whole carnet system is there so you do not part from the country without your vehicle. I suspect that if you got found out at the airport it would be a nightmare.

I left my bike at the Delhi customs house. Which is right next to the airport.

They have a procedure in place. Not too bad - a couple of visits, each of an hour. Plus a fee, which is all done properly through a bank. The storage charges were about 1USD a day.

Simon Kennedy
__________________
Simon Kennedy
Around the world 2000-2004, on a 1993 Honda Transalp
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 19 Oct 2005
Grant Johnson's Avatar
HU Founder
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 1997
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posts: 4,561
Quote:
Originally posted by Simon Kennedy:
The whole carnet system is there so you do not part from the country without your vehicle. I suspect that if you got found out at the airport it would be a nightmare.
Simon Kennedy
Actually, no - it's only there to ensure that they get their duty! They really don't care if you leave without it - BUT it must leave before the bike's visa expires, or they will claim your bond from the auto association.

So - in theory - you can leave as often as you want - but you must get it out before they find that there is no exit carnet, and they try to claim it.

__________________
Grant Johnson

Seek, and ye shall find.

------------------------

Inspiring, Informing and Connecting travellers since 1997!
www.HorizonsUnlimited.com
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 19 Oct 2005
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Nantes, France
Posts: 397
You picking holes Grant??

"It's only there to ensure that they get their duty!". I see what you mean. Yes, the ultimate purpose is the money, not the vehicle.

But Indian customs don't make this disctinction in practice in my experience.

"They really don't care if you leave without it". Yes, I see what you you mean. In theory they shouldn't care, as long as the vehicle is within its stipulated *visa* times.

India customs certainly *did* care about the vehicle and me being parted.

So I would advise mrtom differently on this.

Customs were quite clear that in order to leave without the vehicle, I had to leave the bike in a bonded warehouse at the customs office, with all the appropriate fees paid and paperwork signed.

I was glad to have gone through the right proceedures. And the costs are not too bad.

'Round the back of the sheds after school then?

Simon
__________________
Simon Kennedy
Around the world 2000-2004, on a 1993 Honda Transalp
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 19 Oct 2005
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: London
Posts: 25
Thanks for the advice. I will I think explore the bonded warehouse option whilst there, as if the costs are not too bad it may be the best option, as a relatively safe car park as well. Though my understanding of carnets (and Ive used one before) is that its designed to ensure the vehicle leaves the country (or customs get the duty), not necessarily me with the car. So if I return after three weeks, and then leave India (all within the one year validity of the carnet), thus discharging the carnet, I cant see how Id be breaking the rules - other than the seemingly local rule that they write the car in your passport. Am I wrong?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 19 Oct 2005
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 99
There was a question about this a couple of years ago by someone but I never read how they got on.
My experience leaving bikes in Dehli was good with the only limiting factor being a maximum stay of 6 months from date of entry for a vehicle on a carnet. I left them at a place recomended by the freindly guys at Dehli customs house rather than the custom building(that place resembles a scrap yard and was open to all the people hanging around. Charges came to about 60us$ for 5 months and the bikes were ok.
No problems leaving for, or returning from, europe by plane just as the customs man promised.
I would be suprised if it caused you any problems at all, but would then be only a matter of finding someone who has a better unerstanding of the law.
Andy
Edit.. How time flys.. This was in 2002 and things can change although Indian doesn't seem to change that fast on such matters.

[This message has been edited by andygray (edited 19 October 2005).]
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 20 Oct 2005
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Nantes, France
Posts: 397
"Though my understanding of carnets...is that its designed to ensure the vehicle leaves the country (or customs get the duty), not necessarily me with the car."

Yes. That was, I think, what Grant was getting at in his correction to my sloppy formulation above.

"So if I return after three weeks, and then leave India...I cant see how Id be breaking the rules...Am I wrong?"

No, you are right. You just have to do it via customs.

Andygray: I found the customs house just fine. There was an underground car park there that was secure (beyond the pilfering of the staff who work there). There were a dozen or so foreign vehicles parked alongside my bike, all in the same position regarding carnets.

I would add that having all the right paperwork means that if anything goes wrong (like staying over time in UK) you are safe. Safeish, anyhow.

The customes house is near the airport. The reception was I recall, full of Hindu iconography - India is supposed to have a multi-religious democracy I thought.

Simon
__________________
Simon Kennedy
Around the world 2000-2004, on a 1993 Honda Transalp
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 13 Dec 2006
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: London
Posts: 25
postscript

All set to do the customs route, but from Mumbai not Delhi, I went to see customs in Mumbai, they gave me the number of an agent, and he told me not to bother (with warehouse option, even though that is what youre supposed to do) - its not that much of an issue, and it would take 3 days to process the paperwork there apparently. When I pressed him on what if customs stop me etc., he told me to get a letter from a car repair shop saying the car was in repairs and would be exported shortly on my return (and hence couldnt be in the customs warehouse). I took his advice, got the letter (for nothing from a freindly repair shop) and am now out of the country - having not been stopped on way out.... (car in lock up in Mumbai) - I still have to get back in of course, but Ive got my excuse...!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


 
 


HU DVD Summer Special!

Now that summer is here, get On the Road! Take 30% off the Achievable Dream - On the Road! 2-DVD set until August 31 only. Get On the Road! Learn the tips to staying healthy, happy and secure on your motorcycle adventure!

Our veteran travellers share their tips (and great stories) for staying healthy, happy and secure on your motorcycle adventure.

"A fantastic, informative and inspirational DVD."

"It's brilliant - thank you very much!"

Check it out at the HU Store! Remember to use Coupon Code 'ONTHEROAD' on your order when you checkout.


Renedian Adventures


Renedian Adventures

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!


New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.


Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 21:35.