Does anyone know if there is a boarder with Bolivia or Ecuador without computer or an other boarder which i could pass with expired bike papers!?

I know that Richard and Jane have lost there bike in Peru with expired papers!

Ola Appie,

Richard and Jane had their bike impounded at the Copacabana post (peruano side), but there wasn't a computer - that was an expired carnet problem.

Maybe try Jeff in Cuzco for up-to-date info?

Suerte, Dan

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For whatever demented reasons, I enjoy learning about unofficial border crossings.

Surely, with such a vast frontier, there would be some. Not regularly traveled roads, but tracks used by locals for centuries. Are they all blocked/controlled?

Sounds odd, as Carnets aren't needed in S/A.
Do you know how the subject of a Carnet came up?

Thousands of miles of unprotected borders, but only half a dozen customs posts with stamps and paperwork. I'm guessing Appie's talking about bouncing a permitless bike across one border, not permanently disappearing into the underground. Which means that at some point, he'll have to get the bike legal again. And that usually means having an 'exit' stamp.

The old trick in SA used to be the 'Dios Mio! Ladrones!' shout. Claim you were robbed, papers gone, exit stamps lost, and get a replacement importation form from a cop shop. Could still work...

LR - riffing off smugglers tales isn't demented. It's still fun playing pirates...

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Yeah, it was a ****-up. Dick and Jane were planning to hit Africa after SA, so had a carnet, which they'd sometimes use at borders just for shits and giggles. Carnet ran out while they were in Peru, and because they'd used it at entry, it became a problem at the exit. We argued for hours, tried all the angles, but the Border Capitan was straight as a die and an appalling jobsworth. Their bike was impounded for a week or so while they swapped faxes and pulled teeth. Lesson? Don't over-complicate.

Suerte, Dan

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Sorry they're having problems and I'm sure they are a bit torqued at themselves.
Yes, why add more letters than needed to the word simple.

The Pirate analogy is interesting..

How to literate this type of psychology can be confusing.

No concern needed (though appreciated) - this was a couple of years ago - D and J are back in London, cooing over their beautiful baby girl.

Psychology? Dromomania,

"also called travelling fugue, is a psychological condition in which people spontaneously depart their routine, travel long distances and take up different identities and occupations. Months may pass before they return to their former identities..."

Weirdly, this word just appeared on another thread in 'Misfits'...

Pretend Pissed-up Pirates? Maybe. Accomplished hijackers? Apparently. Sorry, Appie...

Suerte, Dan

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Ok, I had to Google that sht...

The psychology of why people do this and what they receive from it is interesting to me. You got everything from the squeek-a-buckers to the Amex platinumers...and that massive grey in between.

It's easy to argue on all behaves. The roads traveled may be the same, but the experiences and outlooks are different.

There are things common, but the differences is what makes for real interest.

My bike broke down (Waterpump seals are gone and now water enters to the oil) and i wait since more then 3 weeks for my spareparts, now the visa will run out and i have to work for a week in Bolivia, so everything is a little difficult now! May be i can manage somehow, but the trick with tha police worked allready in Argentina and there are a couple of other countrys where i got out again as well! I just want to get my bike out of the country without big troubles,that's all!

Please answer just if you know something good!

Thank's Appie!

I crossed from Peru to Ecuador at the remote Zumba crossing last week. There aint no computers here - we had to go find the migrations guy who was in bed with his girlfriend. This guy is young and an ass but if your passport is ok and you have that slip of paper they give you when you entered peru you will have no problem with him. My passport was out of date by 2 months or something but he was so busy concocting other ways to scam me for cash that he missed this blindingly obvious opportunity.

The Aduana guys were sound - but then my papers were ok for this (90 days is what you have with the bike). You dont need an exit stamp for your bike to enter a bordering country 8 though you do need it to leave) - the aduana in the country you leave keep all the paperwork and when you arrive in the new one they issue you with fresh documentation. If your 90 days has expired on your passport aswell as your bike it would be very difficult i think but if the problem is only with the bike I think these guys would let you through if you spin them a tale about being robbed.

As it turned out i got across without a passport exit stamp and the nice guys on the other side (migrations guy and Jorge the policeman) crossed back over for me to get my stamp ( took 4 hours of negotiations - the border was closed to all for all this time!). I refused to return to get the exit stamp as I didnt want my bike in one country and me detained in the other . The Ecuadorian guys were just brilliant.

hope its some help

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a couple of years ago by coincedence I found a (good gravel)road going from Tacna straight to La Paz, just north of the Chilean border. It was on no map. There was no SUNAT (customs) control, only passport was stamped somewhere in a small village.

But if you take the Tacna- Arica crossing I am sure you will make it as well. Just give the customs building (which is on the far right side when leaving Peru) a miss (or walk in and out again so the policeman outside thinks you handed in the papers...). Don´t think anyone will notice. Especially on a weekend crossing as it is very busy. And yes the old trick of oh dear I have lost them or forgot them at one of the many policechekcs will surely help as well. At any case never ever show the expired papers unless you manage to drop some water/ oil/blood on the paper and make the date illegible..???
There is no computernetwork at any of the borders ( this is not the case in Chile and Argentina)

Thanks a lot marker that's good info!
Now everything goes easyer, my spareparts just arrived and if everything goes allright with repairing the bike i will be out of the country just one day before the papers expire!

Sometimes you have to be lucky as well!

But thank's a lot for the information, i am sure somebody else can use it as well!

Appie

oops, but what comes to mind now is that when leaving by the Tacna - Arica border you get a piece of paper where you have to collect the stamps of every office you have to visit, so also customs... Guess then the best optiopn is to find that road Tacna to La Paz and hope it is not an offical road by now (was no fuel by the way for about 400 km . And aprox 1 vehicle x week to help you out when in trouble...)
Just in case anyone else gets into the same situation: in case of an emergency you can apply for an extension at the customs building in Miraflores (Lima). You have to write a letter (in spanish) with the reason that you want an extension. If you have some proof that you ordered spareparts makes it a bit easier, i.e. less complicated. Good Luck Albert, hope it works out fine for you and no ´paros´on the way to the border...

You can get an indefiniate extension in Peru if you apply.
Can`t remember what it`s called, but annoy the Customs guys enough and they will come up with it.
Pretty much you park your bike at a registered storage place (most bike shops in Lima have this privillege - the guys at customs can verify a location on site if you have a few addresses). Get a contract from the storage people, have a letter from the police verifing all numbers, a letter from yourself explaning the circumstances (the worse and more desperate you seem, the better) and some cash. Once you have all this and the bike is parked, a customs guy will come verify everything and take a look at the bike themselves. He/she will then suspend what remains of your temp import until you return.