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About the Fire Extinguisher the Argentine law say:
Ley Nacional de Transito N° 24.449 Art. 40 Requisitos para circular Ins: “F” “Que posea matafuegos y balizas portátiles normalizados, excepto las motocicletas” That has fire extinguisher and triangles markers, except motorcycles. Other points helpfully for you: "Art. 3° .- Garantía de Libertad de transito. Queda prohibida la retención o demora del conductor, de su vehículo, de la documentación de ambos y/o licencia habilitante por cualquier motivo, salvo los casos expresamente contemplados por esta ley u ordenados por Juez competente." Free Transit guaranty. It’s forbidden the retention or dilates of the driver, his documents, and/or his license for any reason, except the situation expecificatly treaty in this law or ordered by a Judge in charge. "Art 4°.- Convenios internacionales. Las convenciones internacionales sobre transito vigentes en la republica son aplicables a los vehículos matriculados en el extranjero en circulación por el territorio nacional, y a las demás circunstancias que contemplen, sin perjuicio de la aplicación de la presente en los temas no considerados por tales convenciones." International Agrees. The International’s Agreements about transit valid in the Republic are applicable to the vehicles registered in a foreigner country in transit trough the national territory and others circumstances treaty, with out detriment the application of this law on the situations no considered by these Agreements Sorry About the translation is difficult the laws terms. But I hope it will be helpfully Sandra & Javier [This message has been edited by javkap (edited 03 April 2005).] |
I had the opposite experience in Argentina. I was riding very fast, around 140 km/h when the police stopped me. I tell him that this was my firts visit to Argentina, that I didn't note the speed, that was my fault, but I ask the policeman to be kind with me, that mi wife and I was in our mariage anniversary, allway smiling and very polite. And the policeman returned me the documents and no fine. Really a nice person.
------------------ Ya verás como quieren en Chile al amigo cuando es forastero (traditional song) Jose Pedro Espinosa Curico, Chile |
Never had any problems with any police in South America other than this region in Argentina. From the frequency of problems this is no coincidence.
I would suggest that anyone else coming up the Ruta 14 in Entre Rios has a copy of Javier's laws to produce when necessary. The black folder that convinced the German biker to pay $100 moments before I arrived quoted a certain law relating to fire extinguishers. Would be good to see that one put in it's proper place. Good luck to everyone else! Matt |
Matt/ Marco
Sounds like I need to learn a few lessons from you guys! I agree with Matt that generally the police were fine in South America - although the Peruvian traffic police around Juliaca also managed to relieve me of a few quid for something or other .... you live and learn Cheers Gary |
I was also stopped by the police on Ruta 14. They asked me for the fire extingusher and showed me also the black folder with the copy of the fire extingusher catalouge. I asked the policeman for his name and his passport and showed a copy of Javiers translation. It worked. We got away there without paying anything.
Thanks Javier! ------------------ |
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You are welcome!!!!!! http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/smile.gif Send me the 10% of polices demanding and I will be very happy http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif Sandra (she was the translator) says hi!!!! We fill very greet to be useful http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/biggrin.gif See you again here? Take care and give a copy to others coming down. Javier…………… [This message has been edited by javkap (edited 13 April 2005).] |
I made a PDF version of Sandras and Javiers translation of the laws for easy printing. It can be downloaded here:
http://www.schweizer-ing.com/weltrei...es/arg_law.pdf Thanks Sandra and Javier Greetings Patrick -- www.schweizer-ing.com |
Here's something that seems to work well...
http://www.smellybiker.com/arg_cops.doc I tried it on the police when they tried to fine me on Ruta 14. I said I'd only pay if they filled out the form I was given by an official at the airport in BsAs. The cop looked at the form, then showed it to his boss who didnt look very happy & quickly sent me on my way. The form is completely bogus & was inspired by a German traveller I met in 2003. I just made it a scarier & a friend translated it into Spanish. Have fun ! ------------------ Last seen in S.America, missing presumed fed. http://worldtour.overpro.co.uk http://www.motodogging.com [This message has been edited by Happy Hacker (edited 27 February 2006).] [This message has been edited by Happy Hacker (edited 27 February 2006).] |
Bob,great idea!But don´t tell it to loud,remember the enemy is allways watching!
I will try to get some official logo to print on the paper. Again superb idea to ruin the "extra" income of those corrupt vultures. Have a safe trip KH |
hi,
i agree with sima, while i was travelling through south america, and centeral, i was pulled over on several occasions. I just smiled, kept my helmet on, denied anything and sat there until they got fed up with me and told me to go on. One policeman in particular in peru was funny and honest, i said this is corruption and he said yes it is! so i gave him a drink of water and he was happy, and i got a photo with him. But i never gave any police or border people ANY Money or goods, there really needs to be more people not paying the bribes. I did spend 4hrs at the El salvador - Hondorus border arguing as they wanted to charge me $70usd. I ended up getting them down eventually, but i did see many people going through just paying because they wanted to get out of there. Ooops off the track a little but again smile and be happy. Troy |
Fortunatly the enemy doesnt normally understand English ;-)
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Another one to add to the list: at the usual suspicious border crossing (entering Entre Rios from Zarare, just over the bridge on Routa 14) i was pulled over. Initially the cop wanted to fine me for not having reflectors on the Touretech cases (which I have). I go into the room, and there the story changes to a really good one:the luggage (presumably the same Touratech cases and maybe my guitar) exceeding the space allowed to be carried by a motorcycle. 300 pesos fine! I had Javiers translated notes laid out in plain view on the table, but this didn´t seem to bother the cop.
I pulled out Bobs sheets and asked him to help me fill it out and if there is a post office nearby. He read it out loud, slowly, and then goes back to Javiers sheets. ¨ Ahh, this one. Number 2. Free Passage. This means you can go free¨. Finally, in desperation, he goes for the kill: ¨¨But Insurance!! Where is your insurance!!?¨¨ Of course I have none, but I confidently hand him my carnet. ¨Look, here is where Argtenina approved the insurance (pointing out the customs stamp) and here on the back page is the club that authorizes it (on the back are all the countries that the carnet is valid for, and conviently, the automobile club of Argentina, ACA, has its name beside the country. He let me go. My only problem in all my time in Argentina. Rene |
It seems that the police on Routa 14 is trying very hard to become rich. All the information given here are great, and I am planning to use them next time, but I am just wondering if we can do something about it. Maybe write a letter to a newspaper or to a ministry. Any ideas? suggestions? Does anybody know how we can get these policemen on routa 14 and maybe save some fellow riders and other tourist?
Antonis |
I was not able to download the bogus form that can be given to police who are trying to bribe.
HELP!!! |
That document is now available - slightly edited for English - in the Trip Planning / Country Info / Argentina page. (See menu on the right of the Trip Planing main page)
It's a pdf document - you may have to right click and save as. In case of trouble with that, I have also created an html document that should be no problem to print. ------------------ Grant Johnson Seek, and ye shall find. ------------------------ One world, Two wheels. www.HorizonsUnlimited.com |
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