Which papers do I need? Argentina?
 

Hi guys,
Me and a friend are buying 2 bikes in Mendoza/Argentina. The Bikes are used, European owners, they left the bikes 2 years ago in Mendoza. What will happen when we reach the border to Chile? Will we be able to leave the country? I heard it is only allowed to leave foreign registered bikes for 6 months in Argentina. The papers never got renewed....

Do you think we will have big trouble?

Thanks for your help - El Aleman - Jens

See you at the 2nd HU Meeting in Germany!
21.5. - 24.5.2009 close to Heidelberg

Mmmmm Jens big trouble
 

The importación temporaria is limited in time to the name that is on it! Some times the owner could be other person and yet they allow you trough.Problem will be that the name on the importation is not yours!!!!!
What could happen is you try to cross into chile and the argie border control could confiscate your bikes. This has happend many times and discused here too.
Ideal would be that the real owner fixes the timeframe problems here in customs ofice near Plaza de mayo and then exits the country.
Maybe a smal border crossing.......wish you all the luck!
Karl

owners are in Europe....
 

Thanks for your answer,

the owners are in Europe...so I will try my best to cross the border...

Any more ideas?

I am still in Germany, but I plan to fly beginning of January.

Thanks - El Aleman

whoa cowboys - see my response your other thread..
 

I just noticed you have 2 threads going.

One answer is to have the original European title reissued in your name and the in the name of the previous owner. (co- owners) When you arrive Argentina with the new title that now includes your name,as well as the name of the original owner who entered Argentina, have the Temporary Vehicle Import Permit renewed.

IMPERATIVE THAT THE LICENSE PLATE IS THE SAME PLATE THAT THE ORIGINAL TEMPORARY VEHICLE PERMIT WAS ISSUED FOR...

I have done this successfully. The fine was more than $500.00 US.

You will pay a substantial fine, but I have an Argentine Jestor (one who registers and transfers titles as a business) who can help you do it legally. Her fee will be minimal.

You will then have up to 8 months to tour Argentina and, once the renewal gets into the computers, you should have no problem exiting the country. I have no idea of the DOWN TIME between renewal and the time the renewal info will be available at the borders.

You will be issued immediately, a new Temporary Vehicle Import Permit, and that should suffice for any police checks and might even be accepted at the border. xfiltrate

More info needed...
 

More data needed from xfiltrate....

Jens and friend , OK , now I have some data to work with. Thanks for detailing the situation by private message.... But to advise you properly I need to know more...Here are the problems you might face in Argentina.

Are the bikes safe and in a secure location? Confirm this!

Every foreign vehicle/motorcycle is issued a Temporary vehicle Import Permit upon entering Argentina. This is true if riding in or shipping in.

I need to know if you have the Temporary Vehicle Import Permits that the Dutch secured upon entering Argentina with his bike / bikes?

I need to know the names on the actual titles and registrations of the bikes. I understand the title might be from "Kenya". I assume your name will not be on the title and that is an almost insurmountable problem for securing an extension of the Temporary Vehicle Import Permit for the bikes.

The cost of an extention is between $500.00 and $600.00 dollars US as you have to pay a fine for the time the bike was illegally in the country due to expired Temporary Vehicle Import Permit.

Also, is the license plate # listed on the title or just on the registration? You must have the same plate that is indicated on title or registration papers and these must be in your name, not the name of previous owner.

If you have a title from Kenya without your name, corresponding exactly to your passport ,you will not be issued an extention of the Temporary vehicle Import Permit and with this, your bike might be impounded once this fact comes to the attention of the police or at any border upon trying to exit Argentina.

It takes more than 6 months to have a bike released once impounded and without proper title in your name, the bikes/bikes will not be returned to you.

If you have the above documents please scan them into an e-mail and e-mail them to me.

It is only when I see the date of expiration and the port/border of entry can I advise a legal course for you to follow. And, I cannot further advise without seeing the title and registration papers for the bikes.

The best insurance company is "Parana Insurance" and I am sure it will be available in Mendosa. They can sell you policies for Argentina and the bordering countries.

I do not believe you can purchase Argentine insurance via internet, for bikes without a title and registration in your name....from Argentine companies and I do not reccomend buying from an international company due to cost and availability of agents to help you when you need help, and the complications of these particular bikes...

The Argentine insurance is very inexpensive , about $20.00 US a month, as I said in my reply to you at one of your Hubb threads.

No honest insurance company will sell you insurance in Argentina with an expired Temporary vehicle Import or without having a valid title and registration for the bike in your name.

If a company does, they are not obligated to pay for accidents or damages because they will claim the bike is illegal and this voids their obligation. Of course, many, many unethical companies will take your money, but you will not have any coverage when you might need it.

I strongly suggest getting your money back, flying into Buenos Aires and buy new or used Argentine registered motorcycles here. Then you can sell them here legally after your tour or park them here forever... As for exiting Argentina as a foreign tourist riding an Argentine registered bike, see my thread above this one...

Standing by and it is good to know the rules for the games we play, that is the only way we can overcome the challenges and prevail. xfiltrate