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Old 29 Dec 2009
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School 3

School 3 - Be prepared for any eventuality on the cheap:

Get yourself, as a legal foreign tourist, to any South American country with your saddlebags, walk with one bag slung over your chest and one on your back meet your young Israeli woman and buy a legally registered used motorcycle from a local person, hundreds are in the classified ads, prep the bike for touring, fix it up a little, legally register the bike in your name and buy liability insurance, your liberty and she are worth it. Immediately put the bike up for sale in this country for more than you paid for it - get a very cheap cell phone, so you can start taking offers.

Tour like tigers the country where you legally purchased your fist bike in South America. Sell this bike, bus, hike hitch hike to the next country you want to tour, legally buy your second bike in South America, repeat all the above (especially the touring like tigers part) and travel on to another country and repeat. Make love at every opportunity.

Each time you buy and sell bikes, if you are cleaver, you will be upgrading, never downgrading, her parents will be pleased when she tells them how concerned you are about not breaking the law, buying insurance etc... and who knows by the time you are in your 60s you might be riding that GS, or not, without having to sell your soul.

glasswave, I truly enjoyed reading your post. Thank you for clarifying the obvious that we so often forget, we each are free, and indeed at liberty to make our choices, to take our own decisions.... until we violate mutually agreed upon laws in some jurisdiction, get caught, and then we suffer the consequences that might include losing our freedom.

We never read about the "I got caught part" on the HUBB, just the "I got away with it part." Foreign tourists do have accidents, they are arrested and they do go to South American jails, and some lose their liberty/ freedom for a long, long time. One does not have to be a 60 year old GS rider to legally buy a used bike in South America, and then legally purchase very inexpensive $35 -$40 USD per month liability insurance. Could someone explain what part is not understood?

When I was young I believed the world was fair, that I was entitled to my freedom, many years later, I learned that my freedom is precious and must be protected by my good judgement, my common sense and by being aware of obvious contingencies that might be a threat to my freedom.

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Peru

If you buy a new or used Peruvian bike and have it transfered to your name THERE and wait for title, you can leave. I did it and know others who have.
Or if you can't wait, again, photoshop peru title and change your name and leave. Again, I know personally people who have done this.


You CAN sell bike in Peru to a Peruvian, just not one from Colombia, Ecuador or Chile , possibly Argentina as well. I know, I sold a Costa Rica bike there no problem.

Of course avoid Lima to do this. I did it in Cajamarca.

All this info or advice may or may not be legal so sue

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WOW Xfiltrate you are doing a huge amount of work here for the people! Good job man. We need to get a sticky with this info so you can just refer to that. I do not see a problem with any thing you posted and hope people will read and follow your out line.
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the out line

did I understand that right, or ?

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Thanks and a Point of Order

Dlbiten, I am a long time admirer of your posts and I thank you for your support here. Yes, I hope this thread is determined to be sticky quality.

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A Point of Order: Happy New Year, I ride out with the Dakar Rally tomorrow, so this will be short.

As I have stated, it is legal for a foreign tourist to buy and sell Peruvian registered motorcycles in Peru. We agree on this.

What is illegal is to sell a motorcycle that has entered Peru on a Temporary Vehicle Import Permit - and this brings up my Point of Order.

Fraudulently altering or transferring titles is not a civil offense for which one might be sued, it is a criminal offense for which one might go to jail.

Inviting me to sue you for a criminal offense does not make sense.

It is true, if a foreign tourist is riding a motorcycle illegally - by reason of altered documents, or a title that has been illegally transferred, and has an accident involving substantial property damage or personal injury the criminal court can award damages ($)to the victim, but this is not a law suit in the common definition.

After the criminal case the victim can then sue the foreign tourist in civil court. Meanwhile, once the court discovers the fraudulent (faked) documents, all insurance coverage is null and void and the foreign tourist will be held in jail until all - criminal and civil actions have run through the court system. This takes years...

So there is my Point of Order. Perhaps not in out line form, but easy to understand just the same.

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Thank you xfiltrate.
Xfiltrate has posted time and agen on how get a bike a ride in South America legal. Helping many pensonly do just that. You may chose a different path than the one he shows you may get away with it. Just remember not every place we ride threw has the safety nets as most of the EU or US or Canada has. Hurting some one out there may mean they live out there life that way there is no just pop off to hospital be out in week right as rain pay nothing. There life may be bit more grim, we ride there we see how some must live. He has posted as a person that lives there and is working with the laws he has. Posting how to get away with things illegally is gray area on the HUBB and at the VARY least looked down upon.

If you want to talk about what can be done in theory well ok. In most cities there are areas that sell forged documents as well as computers that can scan in a document and then it be altered then printed and laminated. Then there is the bribing your way passed and threw any other problem you may have. This being said however the time you will spend in jail will go up with each offence each document you have. You can also gust get a fast bike and not stop but they do have the right to stop you any way they want and they have guns. This is not bribing your way out of a speeding ticket or to get stamps done faster at the border. You are taking away a way some states make money they do not like that. It is up to you It is real world there real nasty jails and real guns.

but on to the to the Qs and As

1) This Question has came up 3 times this year that I know of someone in the Americas no licence and going to take a long ride and wanting to know how to do it. Your Dutch one one will do just fine. If you do not have one well In short really no legal easy way. You can try to get legal help from a lawer and of the Dutch embassy there.
2) get a small bike say a 125 to 250 and ride slow and have a grate time. Take it to xfiltrate pay him to keep it, it will be there when you get back. Or pay the tax on it and give it away, sell it for the tax, do not know if it is true but read some place you can give to the cops and the border guards and get a tax stamp saying you paid.
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