Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > South America

South America Topics specific to South America only.
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

Ride-Chile.com Motorcycle Tours & Rentals

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 21 Nov 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Vancouver Island
Posts: 15
Expired plates

Hi
Not entirely a motorcycle question, but a motorcycle will be included.
Let's assume I leave BC for Mexico & allow my ICBC insurance & registration to expire. I intend to do that rather than continuing to pay ICBC premiums (for no coverage) on top of Mexican insurance. I may or may not return to BC; however, if I do, what is the solution to the problem of registering & insuring the vehicle for the trip back? Obviously, I could fly, but if I wish to take the vehicle back?
If I get a Mexican DL, which I gather is a relatively painless procedure, can I then get insurance, perhaps Mexican or US, for the return trip? I gather Mexican vehicle registration is not a desirable option.
These questions apply to Central American countries as well, so any advice in that regard is welcome.
__________________
Glen
Live light, cast a small shadow
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 21 Nov 2011
Scrabblebiker's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
Posts: 222
To renew your ICBC insurance you can give someone else power of attorney to renew it for you. They'll have to have access to your renewal notice when it arrives by mail. They can then send the renewed registration and decal by DHL, or whatever, to wherever you are. Call the ICBC toll free line for the exact details.

BUT, ICBC will refund your premiums for the time you've been outside of their coverage area (Canada, USA). You'll need some type of proof of leaving and reentering the insurance coverage area. When you cross into Mexico you'll be getting your dated TVIP (proof of leaving) and upon exiting you'll be given an official dated receipt indicating you've officially checked the vehicle out of Mexico (proof of reentering ...and leaving). Make sure you safeguard them or their copies.

If you're not driving back north, make sure you keep copies of all the import permits for the countries you go through to prove that the vehicle has bee outside of Canada/USA for the entire period. ICBC accepted my Mexican exit receipt without any issues and fairly quickly mailed me a cheque for 3 months premiums.


...Michelle
www.scrabblebiker.com
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 21 Nov 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Vancouver Island
Posts: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrabblebiker View Post
To renew your ICBC insurance you can give someone else power of attorney to renew it for you. They'll have to have access to your renewal notice when it arrives by mail. They can then send the renewed registration and decal by DHL, or whatever, to wherever you are. Call the ICBC toll free line for the exact details.

BUT, ICBC will refund your premiums for the time you've been outside of their coverage area (Canada, USA). You'll need some type of proof of leaving and reentering the insurance coverage area. When you cross into Mexico you'll be getting your dated TVIP (proof of leaving) and upon exiting you'll be given an official dated receipt indicating you've officially checked the vehicle out of Mexico (proof of reentering ...and leaving). Make sure you safeguard them or their copies.

If you're not driving back north, make sure you keep copies of all the import permits for the countries you go through to prove that the vehicle has bee outside of Canada/USA for the entire period. ICBC accepted my Mexican exit receipt without any issues and fairly quickly mailed me a cheque for 3 months premiums.


...Michelle
www.scrabblebiker.com
Hi, thanks.
I called ICBC, & power of attorney is exactly how to proceed. Could have done that sooner & saved some hassle, but searching their site seemed to indicate the pay/refund option was the only one available. Very simple solution.
__________________
Glen
Live light, cast a small shadow
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 22 Nov 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Mexico
Posts: 254
You won't get a Mexican DL unless you have an FM document other than a tourist visa. You will need an FM-2 or an FM-3 and you will have to qualify for those before you can get a Mexican DL.
Your Mexican insurance will also be invalid if they find out you have expired plates by the way.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 22 Nov 2011
BlackBeast's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 327
I deliberately let our ICBC insurance/plates expire on both our bikes after we left Mexico and continued South. All our docs matched what the plates said with new dates. We returned and relocated to Ontario, so just had them re-registered here.
Daryll
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 22 Nov 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Vancouver Island
Posts: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMike View Post
You won't get a Mexican DL unless you have an FM document other than a tourist visa. You will need an FM-2 or an FM-3 and you will have to qualify for those before you can get a Mexican DL.
Your Mexican insurance will also be invalid if they find out you have expired plates by the way.
I figured I'd stay in Mexico long enough to get my FMN (FM3).
I heard elsewhere about insurance being invalid with expired plates. That's a concern, particularly with the way accidents are handled in Mexico.
I understand registering a vehicle in Mexico is difficult, and that non-tourist insurance becomes much more expensive, & annual registration fees are high.
Perhaps registering somewhere south of Mexico would be better.
Comment?
__________________
Glen
Live light, cast a small shadow
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 22 Nov 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Vancouver Island
Posts: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBeast View Post
I deliberately let our ICBC insurance/plates expire on both our bikes after we left Mexico and continued South. All our docs matched what the plates said with new dates. We returned and relocated to Ontario, so just had them re-registered here.
Daryll
I don't follow what you mean–matched plates with new dates
__________________
Glen
Live light, cast a small shadow
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 24 Nov 2011
BlackBeast's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ontario, CANADA
Posts: 327
Quote:
Originally Posted by GC45 View Post
I don't follow what you mean–matched plates with new dates
Use of photoshop and some Dollar store stickers.
Daryll
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 24 Nov 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Mexico
Posts: 254
That's what I thought.

A few things for the other poster, how are you going to qualify for the transfer of tourist to FM-3? Unless you have a job or a pension or can prove a healthy bank balance you might not get it. You will have to qualify as either a rentista (renter on a pension or renter with enough funds to qualify as not likely to run out of money) or a worker (you need a formal job offer and you will need a number of extra documents and have them apostilized as well), or you can qualify as a property owner if you have bought a house or a condo and have the legal title to it in your name. Time has nothing to do with qualifying for an FM-3, it all has to do with meeting the requirements and you can qualify from abroad through a Mexican consulate or embassy if you have everything in order. Just waiting out your tourist visa in Mexico and then asking for an FM-3 without qualifying for it will not get you very far.
Second, to register your bike you will have to import it. That means paying taxes etc... and the use of a good customs agent if they will handle this and many do not want the hassles and time involved.
Third, you will then need to plate it somewhere and begin to pay the yearly registration fees.
Unless you speak and write Spanish fairly well, you are likely going to need some professional assistance in this and it could get more costly than you think.
Just some things to consider. Remember, you can't always bribe every official even though it is Mexico. Think through what you are planning on doing and figure on a cost and then double that in time and money.
That will put you in the ball park.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 24 Nov 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Vancouver Island
Posts: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMike View Post
That's what I thought.

A few things for the other poster, how are you going to qualify for the transfer of tourist to FM-3? Unless you have a job or a pension or can prove a healthy bank balance you might not get it. You will have to qualify as either a rentista (renter on a pension or renter with enough funds to qualify as not likely to run out of money) or a worker (you need a formal job offer and you will need a number of extra documents and have them apostilized as well), or you can qualify as a property owner if you have bought a house or a condo and have the legal title to it in your name. Time has nothing to do with qualifying for an FM-3, it all has to do with meeting the requirements and you can qualify from abroad through a Mexican consulate or embassy if you have everything in order. Just waiting out your tourist visa in Mexico and then asking for an FM-3 without qualifying for it will not get you very far.
Second, to register your bike you will have to import it. That means paying taxes etc... and the use of a good customs agent if they will handle this and many do not want the hassles and time involved.
Third, you will then need to plate it somewhere and begin to pay the yearly registration fees.
Unless you speak and write Spanish fairly well, you are likely going to need some professional assistance in this and it could get more costly than you think.
Just some things to consider. Remember, you can't always bribe every official even though it is Mexico. Think through what you are planning on doing and figure on a cost and then double that in time and money.
That will put you in the ball park.
I can qualify as a rentista (pensionado) with a combination of government pension & private investment income. I'll have to come up with a way to show a local address. Perhaps a long term RV park rental would qualify, with a letter from the owner as landlord. The new FMN (FM-3) cannot be obtained in advance anymore. You must be in the country, although some preliminary steps may be taken in advance.
I would prefer not to register the vehicles in any country down there unless I take up long-term residency. I'm aware that there is a lot of red tape, and a substantial cost, including, at least in Mexico, high annual registration fees & sharply higher insurance cost.
All this is about a year away. By then I hope to have a reasonable understanding of Spanish. I'm fluent in French; because of that, I have a rudimentary ability to read Spanish & Italian. I'm hoping the Rosetta Stone language program will get me to where I need to be.
I hope to avoid "la (?) mordida".
__________________
Glen
Live light, cast a small shadow
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 25 Nov 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Mexico
Posts: 254
It is simple to avoid mordidas.
Don't pay them. I don't and haven't in almost two decades living here permanently.
As long as you have an address that mail can get to, like the office of the trailer park, that should get you the comprobante de domicilio you will need.
It won't have to be in your name, you just have to have one (a light bill or a phone bill usually).
I didn't know about the FM-3 change, thanks. You will need to have your original birth certificate apostilized for sure. You will also have to communicate in writing in Spanish. If you are really stuck I think I still have some old form letters a lawyer drafted and you need to only fill in the blanks.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 25 Nov 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Vancouver Island
Posts: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMike View Post
It is simple to avoid mordidas.
Don't pay them. I don't and haven't in almost two decades living here permanently.
As long as you have an address that mail can get to, like the office of the trailer park, that should get you the comprobante de domicilio you will need.
It won't have to be in your name, you just have to have one (a light bill or a phone bill usually).
I didn't know about the FM-3 change, thanks. You will need to have your original birth certificate apostilized for sure. You will also have to communicate in writing in Spanish. If you are really stuck I think I still have some old form letters a lawyer drafted and you need to only fill in the blanks.
Useful advice.
Re mordidas: That's what I have taken as the right approach from the many discussions I've read, although it will take some time to learn how to handle situations. Mordidas and other "travel expenses" can apparently be difficult to avoid at border crossings south of Mexico.
"Apostillization"—Here's the process in Canada:

"The combined process of "authentication" and "legalization" is the Canadian equivalent of "apostille certificates" issued in other countries that are signatories to The Hague Convention Abolishing the Requirement of Legalization for Foreign Public Documents (1961). As Canada did not sign this convention, notaries in Canada do not provide "apostille certificates". However, in most circumstances (depending on the country and document in question), R....y Notary can provide you with our authentication and legalization services, whereby, we will authenticate and/or legalize your notarized documents.
After authentication, "legalization" occurs when the document is presented to the consulate of the relevant foreign country for certification. At that point, the document normally acquires legal validity in the intended country of use."


As far as the Spanish is concerned, I really expect to be able to handle reading & writing by the time I get there. Speaking & understanding it may take a little longer, & will doubtless provide some entertainment for the natives.
Thanks for the offer re old letters. I may get them from you at some point. As I say, this is still a year or so away.
I contacted the poster who talked of preparing documents & plates & got an explanation of the process.
__________________
Glen
Live light, cast a small shadow

Last edited by GC45; 25 Nov 2011 at 18:51. Reason: Added info.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 26 Nov 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Mexico
Posts: 254
Glen, what did he tell you about the legalization process for the bike?
You can't get Mexican plates unless the bike is legalized (imported) into Mexico. I am curious to see what he said about that because it is a very grey area for the most part and a lot of brokers are not that interested in going through the hassles. The "factura" for the bike is the problem here as it will not be from Mexico.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 26 Nov 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Vancouver Island
Posts: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMike View Post
Glen, what did he tell you about the legalization process for the bike?
You can't get Mexican plates unless the bike is legalized (imported) into Mexico. I am curious to see what he said about that because it is a very grey area for the most part and a lot of brokers are not that interested in going through the hassles. The "factura" for the bike is the problem here as it will not be from Mexico.
What he described was a means of keeping BC plates & registration "current". As long as I can do that without paying premiums, I don't need to worry about
importing & registering the vehicles in Mexico, a last resort option I had considered in order to be legal if driving back to Canada. Michelle's tip re power of attorney neatly solved that problem.
If I settle in Mexico, I guess I'd have to legalize a vehicle in order to sell it, but otherwise not. In any event, Ecuador looks like a more likely final destination, Darrien Gap notwithstanding.
Mike, you say you've been in Mexico almost 20 years. What have you done vehicle/transportation-wise?
__________________
Glen
Live light, cast a small shadow
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


 
 
 

NEW! HU 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar is now available! Get your copy now for some terrific travel inspiration!

HUGE, 11.5 x 16.5 inches, beautifully printed in Germany on top quality stock! Photos are the winning images from over 600 entries in the 9th Annual HU Photo Contest!

Horizons Unlimited 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar.

"The calendar is magnificent!"

"I just wanted to say how much I'm loving the new, larger calendar!"

We share the profit with the winning photographers. YOU could be in the HU Calendar too - enter here!

Next HU Eventscalendar

See all events

 

Latvia to Australia, an inspirational 5 month journey full of unexpected adventures!


Renedian Adventures

Renedian Adventures

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!


New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.


Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:58.