My experience this month was nothing but friendly wave bys and an occasional liscence check. Argentina esta tranquilo...

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Ruta 14 Km 139 Southbound
Add mile marker 139 to the list. I was stopped at the southbound check point today and told I was speeding. The speed limit was 120 KM (75 MPH) and I was never over 70 MPH becuase I only had 350 pesos and needed to make my gas stretch to make it to my destination. After demanding 1200 pesos and a trip to the computer to use Google Translate they took 300 pesos and left me without enough gas to make it.

I used my Visa to purchase gas but it left a sour taste for Entre Rios. I probably wont return on that route again. A much better route north is BA to Rosario to Santa Fe then north to the falls.

I had the same problem at the same place. km 139
the officer wanted 1400 pesos for speeding, after discussion, I paid 50 dollars for lighting fault!!

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This may be useful, not sure as we have not needed to put it to the test yet.

Our plan if they are trying to do for bogus crap is to pull our our video camera and start filming straight away identifying faces and badge numbers, we have a card with all the Anti Corruption numbers and will hand it to them and tell them to ring the phone number right there and then.

One of our fellow travellers did this and the Police backed on quicker than a rat in a drain pipe....so yes the immediate threat back to them may work.

Try it, nothing to lose, also make sure you were not doing anything wrong.


Argentina

The Argentine Federal Police have established a special Tourist Police Unit to receive complaints and investigate crimes against tourists. The unit, located at Corrientes 436 in Buenos Aires, responds to calls around the clock at 4346-5748 or toll-free 0800-999-5000 from anywhere in the country. The Mendoza Tourist Police Unit, open 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. daily, is located at San Martin 1143, telephone 0261-413-2135. After hours, the Mendoza unit may be reached by cell phone at 0261-15-6444-324.

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Cheers Andi & Ellen .... https://twomotokiwis.blogspot.com/ Two Moto Kiwis Alaska - Argentina - April 2012 -> Somewhere

Hi everybody.

I'm Argentinian and I did most of the routes here and I was stoped several times by the police, Gendarmeria (this is more for routes an borders.) and yes, they stop you and think how much money can get from you.

By law you don't need to pay ANY ticket directly to the officer. You ask for the ticket, then need to put the law that you break and the proof. For example, if you where speeding they need to put the ticket from the machine that measure the speed with the picture of your bike. (in fact here in argentina motorbikes are exent of speed ticket because about a legal issue (long story).

They always ask about stupid think, like reflective vest witch is not mandatory.

Its sad to read about this but its the reality here in Argentina.

They just want money if you show you decided they let you go.

Dont be scared about this. If somebody is planing to travel here in Argentina and want my phone number please send me a private message, I'll glad to help.

I'll contact some friends at Gerndarmeria and I'll show this post to them.

Take care guys!

Yet to have the slightest problem at any road blocks, so hope it continues.

I carry copies of the official complaints form for Argentina, but was talking to a fellow traveller in Usuaia and now I have files of complaint forms for several S American countries complete with appropriate logos and addresses where they can be submitted.

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Any chance we could get our hands on some of the docs please ... will swap somewhere?

We have most of the anti corruption phone numbers etc too, if wanted I will freely post them up here no worries, anything to help fello travellers have a better day

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Cheers Andi & Ellen .... https://twomotokiwis.blogspot.com/ Two Moto Kiwis Alaska - Argentina - April 2012 -> Somewhere

Every time I'm stopped on Route 14. The checkpoint that more complicated is what is left after the overpass toward Colon Buenos Aires.
More than once claimed excessive speeds, especially in the areas of access that the speed limit is 80km / h.
Have to have patience and reason with them, I always take 50 separate weights and say I have only this amount of money.

Luck to those who go through there!

Alessander Souto

https://spideroak.com/browse/share/T...omplaint-Forms

has the new series of forms and

https://spideroak.com/browse/share/T...tuff/argentina

has the original one for Argentina

Curt said he used a photocopy of one he had previously and it did work.

BTW - If you genuinely get done for a traffic infringement, then I reckon you should just pay up - but pay at an official place rather than at the roadside.

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Thanks Tony, will print some off now.

These are the numbers we have have for each place, I have them on a card in my pocket and on our lappy.

Anti Corruption

Argentina

The Argentine Federal Police have established a special Tourist Police Unit to receive complaints and investigate crimes against tourists. The unit, located at Corrientes 436 in Buenos Aires, responds to calls around the clock at 4346-5748 or toll-free 0800-999-5000 from anywhere in the country. The Mendoza Tourist Police Unit, open 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. daily, is located at San Martin 1143, telephone 0261-413-2135. After hours, the Mendoza unit may be reached by cell phone at 0261-15-6444-324.

Bolivia

In Sucre, the Infotur Office is located at
Dalence Street on the corner of Argentina Street Phone: (591-4) 641-0200.
Blog: infotursucre@blogspot.com.
Email: infotur.sre@gmail.com
Web: www.chuquisacaturistica.com.gob
Peru
Offices of the Police of Tourism
Lima
The central headquarters of the Police of Tourism are located in the city of Lima.
Address: 2465 Javier Prado Este Avenue, San Borja, in the local of the Museo de la Nación. Telephone: +(51 1) 225-8698 / 225-8699 / 476-9882
Fax: +(51 1) 476-7708
Arequipa
Address: Jerusalen 315-A Street Telephone: +(51 54) 23-9888
Cajamarca
Address: Plaza Amalia Puga w/n Telephone: +(51 44) 823438
Chiclayo
Address: Av. Saenz Peña No 830 Telephone: +(51 74) 22-7615 / 23-5181
Cusco
Address: Av. El Sol w/n, Templo Koricancha Telephone: +(51 84) 22-1961
Huaraz
Address: Plaza de Armas - Municipalidad de Huaraz Telephone: +(51 44) 72-1341 / 72-1592
Ica
Address: Av. Arenales w/n Urb. San Joaquín. Telephone: +(51 34) 22-4553
Iquitos
Address: Airport Coronel FAP. Francisco Secada Telephone: +(51 94) 23-7067
Nazca
Address: Los Incas s/n., Cuadra 1 Telephone: +(51 34) 52-2105
Puno
Address: Jr. Deustua No 538 Telephone: +(51 54) 35-7100
Trujillo
Address: Independencia Cuadra 6 - Casa Goicochea Telephone: +(51 44) 24-3758 / 23-3181
Uraguay

Address
Street Uruguay 1667
Telephone
Number 0800-8226
Click To Dial +598 800 8226 (tel:+598 800 8226)
Paraguay

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Thanks for info, very useful,

Feeling betrayed!!!

Had everything organised. GPS-enabled dash camera pointing forward, another camera pointed at the driver's window, paperwork ready for action etc etc.

Got to 341 and there were half a dozen officers harrassing the southbound traffic and only one lone officer on my side - and he was chatting to the driver of a small truck.

So I coasted up, stopped at the stop sign, waited a couple of seconds and then accelerated gently away. What a let-down.

Did get stopped at the checkpoint a long way south. Had been VERY careful since leaving BA to switch the headlights on, but we stopped for coffee a few km south and I forgot to turn them back on.

Got waved over next to a long line of (seized??) vehicles, many of which had taken root, and young bloke kept shouting "infraction, infraction", in between explaining in perfectly understandable Spanish that lights had to be on 24/7. Wanted the car papers and drivers license so gave him a copy of the title and two years out of date International Drivers licence - which he studied carefully. Apparently the fact that the names didn't match didn't register. Then he wanted me to get out of the car which I refused to do. He went to the back and beckoned me out several times very insistently before I got out. He then tried to make something of the camper overhanging the truck bed. Camper has a bumper bar and all the required lights so I suggested he was on the wrong track. Anyway he stalked off across the road, handed my papers to another policeman who shrugged and ambled back across to me, handed back the papers and waved me away. I confirmed what he was on about, shrugged and got in and drove away. One of life's little mysteries I guess - but it did gee me up for a confrontation at km 341. Probably just as well they ignored me as keeping my temper isn't one of my strong points.

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We have not made it to R14 or 12 yet, but have got through a number of persistent attempts. Mostly in Mexico, one in El Salvador and a difficult aggressive attempt in Venezuela. It must be said that the corrupt police are very much the exception, the situation improving.

We run a routine, as has been well covered, we use time, ignorance and we made up anti-corruption forms for Central/South American countries - country flag, country specific language etc. Its similar to the one linked above by Tony.

Of course it is all psychology, time; filling the form out takes time, two pages asking all details. They may be suspicious the form is not official but your confidence sets them off balance. The police will start to fill it out. We get them to write clearly if they scribble, reading out what they write, name, badge number etc. When it gets to the section asking to attach a photo, we pop out the camera. We do everything else first, the form comes out when we have run out of our usual time sapping patter. Always give them a graceful way to drop the attempt, or you start dealing with their machismo.

Been not only successful but entertaining so far (except Venezuela - military problem, quite different). Forms in a Word format, happy to zip 'em and email them to anyone who may need - contact us at burtway.com. You just have to get them printed out - pop them on a USB stick and can do this in almost any town. Suggest you print them double sided.

John

@johnbrooks - i have filled the contact form

Thanks for your offer!

Looks i have something to read, the next days.. Thanks for let us readers travel with you!


Surfy

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Will send them through, all countries. You wont need many, eg Belize - Police not motivated to go to work let alone anything else. Dont use them on the Venezuelan Military

If you find any errors, such as translations, if you make any improvements, please tell me and I will correct them for anyone else requiring these little persuaders. Print them from Word so they hold format.

Many thanks.

May it continue.

Limited experience compared to some, but in 3 months in Mexico and now 9 months in Chile, Argentina, Brazil and now Bolivia, we have not been subjected to a single inappropriate action by Police.

Well, apart from the stupidity of a couple of rambo cops in Argentina, but that was nothing to do with looking for money

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